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The SONY (FF & APS-C) E-Mount Thread ver. 5, Full-Frame A7 & A7R Released Malaysia!

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danielcmugen	Sep 8 2013, 10:54 PM Return to original view \| Post #1
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	Can anyone post some bokeh pics from nex 3n with std 16-50mm kit lens?
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danielcmugen	Sep 12 2013, 12:51 AM Return to original view \| Post #2
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(mls_gamer @ Sep 10 2013, 12:53 AM) untitled (1 of 1)-18 by JPOPLOVER19, on Flickr What lens?
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danielcmugen	Sep 16 2013, 11:36 PM Return to original view \| Post #3
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	NEX 3N with standard 16-50mm kit lens got optical zoom? If so, how many times? Google showed very confusing result.
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danielcmugen	Sep 17 2013, 04:08 PM Return to original view \| Post #4
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Sep 17 2013, 12:07 AM) Optical zoom means the zoom lens - 50/16 = 3.125x. Do you mean DIGITAL zoom? So means std 16-50mm kit lens got no optical zoom. I see. Cheapest optical zoom lens cost how much? At least 3x zoom.
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danielcmugen	Sep 17 2013, 10:46 PM Return to original view \| Post #5
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Sep 17 2013, 04:41 PM) Sorry to confuse you. Actually optical zoom means the zoom you get from your zoom lens. Prime lens don't have optical zoom. All zoom lens has optical zoom. So 16-50mm has an optical zoom of 50/16 = 3.125 times. If you mean DIGITAL zoom, it actually means the camera crop the picture you take so the picture quality will be degraded. So you are not recommended to use digital zoom. Most handphone camera use digital zoom to zoom because the focal length of the lens is fixed (like a prime lens). Sony 3N has 2x digital zoom according to this review http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/digital-cam...review-hands-on So optical zoom 3.125x (for 16-50mm) Digital zoom 2x --- Sony has a few standard and mega zooms 16-70 Zeiss - very expensive 18-105 G - also expensive and 3 variation of 18-200 - also expensive. Glad to hear that. 3x optical zoom...enough I guess. Thx. Digital zoom, dun see the point of it. I rather take full size pic, then crop all I want after that.
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danielcmugen	Sep 21 2013, 11:04 PM Return to original view \| Post #6
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	Sony nex 3n got minimum focus distance of 25cm. But just now in shop there I test the manual focus, I think I managed to go nearer than 25cm. So MANUAL minimum focus can go how near actually? Just to confirm, 16-50mm kit alone can do manual focus no need twin lens right? Very hard to do google search on this cuz got macam2 lenses
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danielcmugen	Sep 24 2013, 10:47 PM Return to original view \| Post #7
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(aqiera @ Sep 24 2013, 01:58 AM) sharing picture taken lately nex+cokin filters morning in broga hill Love the light rays and guy standing there. But what's with the pink sky? Btw, I'm viewing from phone...so it's more saturated from my point of view. My comment may not be accurate.
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danielcmugen	Sep 25 2013, 07:45 PM Return to original view \| Post #8
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(aqiera @ Sep 25 2013, 12:10 AM) pinkish sky is from pink colour cokin filter... just wanna test it how the results. yep it is more saturated on my nexus phone but not my macbook... maybe need to reduce it a lil bit.. thanks for the comments. Actually I like it saturated , but not the pink part. Haha.
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danielcmugen	Sep 26 2013, 12:12 AM Return to original view \| Post #9
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(little ice @ Sep 25 2013, 11:33 PM) hey there... minimum focus distance depends on lens. some can get you closer, some further, typically longer focal length, longer minimum focus distance. manual can go nearer was probably and illusion, cause you set the focus to minimum, regardless the subject in front of you, but you may not nail the focus if you zoom in 100% and check. which is the other lens in the twin lens package? usually consist of one kit and one zoom, or one pancake and one kit. unless the other lens share the similar focal length (which is pointless), whether you need the other lens is up to you. if you love to do macro shots like you did on your lumia, you need to invest macro lens which allow you to get really close to the subject (which also usually have longer focal length, in layman's term, slightly zoomed lens so you don't actually need to go too close to the subject). Oh hi . The other lens in the twin package is the zoom lens, im not interested in it but just wanna check cuz I'm not sure what lens did I test in the shop. Just in case I mistook the zoom lens as the std kit lens. Macro, of course macro lens will be great but budget is the problem. I will have about RM500 to spend on additional lenses, not sure if it's enough for macro. If not enough then I'd continue using my sister's compact cam, which can go as close as 1cm. The only prob is that the background isn't creamy enough. On another hand, many suggest to get macro lens...but this pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/59583171@N07/...157634949604113 showed that the kit lens can produce some decent macro. Which made me think that it's not necessary to get a macro lens? Pls explain.
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danielcmugen	Sep 26 2013, 12:46 AM Return to original view \| Post #10
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(little ice @ Sep 26 2013, 12:33 AM) it's simple - small sensor is much easier to make a small size lens that allow very close focus distance. like S4 Zoom also can focus subject that's basically almost touching the lens lol. APS-C is much, much larger than regular PnS camera, so a normal kit lens cannot focus too close unless the designer add some elements to allow the lens to switch to macro mode, for example the m43 format Olympus m.zuiko 12-50mm, although the macro mode isn't really true macro but can get much closer to subject nonetheless. the uploader disabled EXIF viewing, so we can only guess. with the kittens, what you can do is the zoom to tele end (50mm) and back off a little, the kit lens might be able to get closer to the subject with further minimum focus distance, but the focal length can reach further. and don't forget, with NEX lenses you can play with filters, and there's this close up filter that you can play with (although it'll sacrifice the optic quality, not a true alternative to macro lens). Well, what matters most is that it only requires the kit lens and nothing more. The trick all that, honestly I dun understand as I'm totally noob with these lenses. I can learn though, but is it troublesome to do the trick each time I wanna take macro?
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danielcmugen	Sep 28 2013, 03:02 PM Return to original view \| Post #11
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(little ice @ Sep 26 2013, 12:52 AM) no trick, just spend money. i like how the author put it - just like putting a magnifying glass in front of the lens. http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2013/05/...style-pictures/ No i mean this part "with the kittens, what you can do is the zoom to tele end (50mm) and back off a little, the kit lens might be able to get closer to the subject with further minimum focus distance, but the focal length can reach further" . But this close up filter looks interesting, optic quality as long won't drop too much can edi...good bokeh matters more for now. Thx for sharing . How much does it cost? This post has been edited by danielcmugen: Sep 28 2013, 03:22 PM
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danielcmugen	Oct 5 2013, 12:30 AM Return to original view \| Post #12
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	1) What's the advantage of SEL 55-210mm lens (the 1 that comes with NEX 3N twin package) compared to 16-50 kit lens? Only for extra zoom? 2) May I know which 1 is prime lens? http://www.sony.com.my/series/nex-lens? Is it SEL35F18? 3) For new set, can I just buy NEX 3N body alone? If so, how much? 4) I want creamy bokeh, not sure whether 16-50 kit lens is enough. What do u all suggest? Is it a good idea to just buy the body without the kit lens, then buy a seperate prime lens? I heard that it's harder to focus with prime lens, true? 5) How much does a NEX 3N spare battery cost? This post has been edited by danielcmugen: Oct 5 2013, 12:44 AM
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danielcmugen	Oct 5 2013, 01:30 AM Return to original view \| Post #13
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 5 2013, 12:57 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1) say kit lens 18-55 cover 1x - 3x, then 55-210 continue from 3x to 11x. that's why some prefer 18-200 which cover 1x - 10x, which i believe more expensive. 2) prime means fixed focal length. that 35mm is, so as the 50mm and the Zeiss 24mm. good thing with NEX is that you can play with manual lens with adaptor, and yes, manual focus only. fear not, the focus peaking is very effective. 3) you gotta ask around the shops, maybe they can do 3N and trade in your lens for lens of your choice. 4) the bigger the aperture the harder to focus due to thin DOF, more difficult to nail the focus which can shift if you move the camera a bit. creamy bokeh can be had with longer focal length even with the PZ kit lens, or you'll have to go for big aperture. that 35mm is good to start with but note that the focal length is close to 2x zoom compared to normal camera phone. 24mm is better all rounded focal length but it wear a Zeiss badge, means $$$...again, most people will play with old manual lenses. conclusion? learn to shoot with kit lens first. you can't beat kit lens for multipurpose especially during travel. But just in case I'm not happy with kit lens, I'm afraid it's gonna be quite hard to sell as the demand is quite low right? Btw, what's the min focus distance for prime? QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Oct 5 2013, 01:00 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1. They are from different purpose. 16-50 for normal use. 55-210mm like telescope, help you to shoot far away objects such as when you are in zoo shooting the tiger so you don't end up become its dinner. 2. Any lens that has only fixed focal length is called prime lens, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm are all prime lens. 16-50mm and 55-210mm are not prime lens. They are zoom lens. 3. Malaysia seldom sell body only package due to marketing reason (they make you buy more). But overseas are very common. Since price is not a huge difference, I recommend you to get minimum 5-series instead of 3-series. 4. Three factors affect your bokeh, the closer your subject (5 feet away more bokeh than 10 feet), the longer the focal length (200mm more bokeh than 24mm) and the larger your aperture (f1.8 more bokeh than f8). The best bang for the bucks for NEX on "creamy bokeh" is the 50mm f1.8. Prime focus as good as zoom lens but you need to learn how to focus with one focus point instead of letting your camera choose the focus point. 5. Just get a 3rd party battery NP-FW50. Depends on the brand it can be between RM30 to RM80. They are as good as the genuine one but cost significantly less. Why u recommend 5-series? Price difference few hundred wor . Btw, what's the min focus distance for prime?
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danielcmugen	Oct 5 2013, 03:06 AM Return to original view \| Post #14
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 5 2013, 02:55 AM) no, you want don't sell it. keep it and you WILL be going to need it one day. there's no one-size-fits-all for prime lens, and MFD vary from lens to lens. read more here... http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/se...552921644718503 seriously though, if you never shoot with various focal length, it's very difficult to imagine which one suits you, there's no way you can come out with a conclusion or decision without actual shooting. in fact, even if you bought one of the prime lens, you'll find it suits for certain shooting style, but not all, and you'll end up buying another one, and another one, and... that's the ~~poison~~ beauty of interchangeable lens camera. every lens is a compromise, but you can have your favorite lens(es). best is to start kit lens, you can set to specific focal length and shoot with that focal length only to simulate prime lens. then you'll know what you actually need. Alright then, thank you . So my plan now is to go for kit lens, then buy close up filter. Eh but what's the difference between close up filter and extension tube?
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danielcmugen	Oct 5 2013, 07:10 PM Return to original view \| Post #15
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(RX-78-2 @ Oct 5 2013, 09:32 AM) Why close up filter? I found it bring down the image quality a lot and the depth of field DOF is too shallow! it is only sharp at the tiny center portion so u will need to crop a lot. i bought one and return it immediately and replace with SEL30F35 which is a easy cheap native Emount macro lens with AF! Cuz I wanna take macro shots. Sad to hear that, any photo samples from it? How about extension tubes? Notice that it's more widely used. U mean SEL30M35? It retails at RM999 wor, normal shop usually sell how much?
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danielcmugen	Oct 5 2013, 09:28 PM Return to original view \| Post #16
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(RX-78-2 @ Oct 5 2013, 07:32 PM) Some u can find it at RM599. go search around. u may start from Studio Zaloon. RM599??? New or 2nd hand?
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danielcmugen	Oct 5 2013, 10:57 PM Return to original view \| Post #17
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(RX-78-2 @ Oct 5 2013, 10:54 PM) 2 of my friend got it NEW!! The offer might ended. But u can call them to try your luck Call who?
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danielcmugen	Oct 7 2013, 02:55 PM Return to original view \| Post #18
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(RX-78-2 @ Oct 5 2013, 09:32 AM) Why close up filter? I found it bring down the image quality a lot and the depth of field DOF is too shallow! it is only sharp at the tiny center portion so u will need to crop a lot. i bought one and return it immediately and replace with SEL30F35 which is a easy cheap native Emount macro lens with AF! How does the SEL30M35 perform in normal non-macro shots? Ignoring the focal length. Wonder if I should completely replace the std kit lens with this macro. Any advice? This post has been edited by danielcmugen: Oct 7 2013, 03:50 PM
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danielcmugen	Oct 7 2013, 03:52 PM Return to original view \| Post #19
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(xiaotim @ Oct 5 2013, 11:15 PM) Call Studio Zaloon. located at Pudu Plaza. you can also try YL camera, at the same building, if you are lucky they might have second with more cheaper price Studio Zaloon selling for RM850. But in amcorp mall got 1 shop selling for RM650. QUOTE(redlyfs @ Oct 7 2013, 03:10 PM) Just keep your standard kit. You will regret losing it later. =( Why regret?
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danielcmugen	Oct 7 2013, 04:20 PM Return to original view \| Post #20
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,538 posts Joined: Apr 2011	QUOTE(y@nggene @ Oct 7 2013, 04:19 PM) Amcorp mall beware of J Pro.... advise... Why?
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