I created this thread so that all users of the new generation of SE phone users can discuss and compare the quality of the ori and non ori BST-37 battery. It may also enable you to learn how to tell which is ori and which is non ori. AP batteries may sometimes be Non-ori/ recon batteries. So, please post a picture of your battery.

I start off photos of mine. I think it's non-ori.




Fu|at's Midland BST-37 - The font of the serial number and wording are much finer.



Photo from M'sia SE website



Comparison of Original Midland and Original AP








Conclusion after much discussion

1) The top part as circled in red, is different.
2) The material of the wrapping around the battery is metal/aluminum like whereas AP original is dull silver color.
3) The water test sticker for Original Midland is squarer whilst the Original AP one is more rectangular.
4) The bottom of the battery looks different. The original Midland has 2 dots on each end while the original AP doesn't.

Has anyone had issues with their AP set battery? Apparently nowadays AP set batteries aren't original. Please post your feedback about the problem.

All SE users (W550i, Z520i, W800i, K600i, V600i, K750i, D750i), both AP and ori, please post pictures of your BST - 37 battery.

Need to request you guys to take a clear photo of it to enable good comparisons. Use your macro function in your digital camera and take a shot under good lighting. Also, please use at least 640 x 480 quality. Please state whether the battery is from an ori set (Eg midland) or AP set.

Thank you everyone for your cooperation.

This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: May 15 2006, 05:19 PM

all i know is ori bst-33 (again bst-33) dont have the frame around thos no la..

i'll try n help u out,but my digicam lend ppl alrdy...neways mine is like fulat's 1 oso,no significant spacing at S/N

all rite~ i took out the battery of my W800i~

compared to fulat's, the only difference is the S/N. are all supposed to be the same or all different?! post it out anyhoo.


BKB 193 203/11 R1A 900mAh
S/N 020869ISKMBN 05W43


This post has been edited by sE_vIxEn: May 12 2006, 11:48 PM

-vip3rleon9-'s BST-37 Battery









From my AP K750i..
Bought last year..
Suspect it's fake..

From the photo, can see that even fu|at's ori battery doesn't have the shiny metallic cover like aluminum foil.

The only diff so far, is the font of the wordings and s/n.

yup,suppose its only difference is in the S/N part,sum with significant spacing,sum without....

Thanks bro for your input. Lets all do some comparisons.

so is mine an ori one or fake?

is there any possible way 2 check the S/N wif SE so that we can know whether they produced n issued it???

hmm.. as in.. insert the serial into their website and search for the serial?

edit:

@ calvin_gsc

no prob..

This post has been edited by -vip3rleon9-: May 12 2006, 11:54 PM

something like that....

First comparison

Left - -vip3rleon9-, Right - Mine

ur rite...mine oso dun have d white thingy...

Ori BST - 37 users, please post the photo of your connector on your battery. AP sets users also, take the same photo. I think, that can let use determine whether ori or not.

http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/6200.ht...tm_content=6200

It says its genuine..but see the top..same like urs calvin

Click larger images available to see more pics

This post has been edited by Mike3300: May 13 2006, 12:10 AM

wah,got white thingy,oh no

but still,that is 4 manufactured in uk,malaysia maybe different?

hmm seems like mine's a fake BST-37 also but how can u be 100% sure whether its fake or not?

This post has been edited by pengster: May 13 2006, 12:12 AM

resize ur images pengster...

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&...pp4_1&pid=10240

this is original for sure gua.. got from ori se website

sorry sorry....stupif f-ed up imageshack dint even resize da freaking pics dat i uploaded

the white thing as u claims is a water enter detector for security measurement.

if that piece of white paper touched a little bit of water it will turn pink or red.

by doing that authorised service center have the authorities to reject ya warranty as long as ya white paper turned red/pink.

Thats UK....go Malaysia one la...

or it may just be a another scam from online sites.

seems like those don't have it hav a better chance of being fake....oh no

Does that mean that only ori batteries has that white tab?

Why some is black and cover the white thing?

SO is best to cover the white in order not to make it turn red/pinky?

Small picture, and only one angle.

Bro, M'sia SE site also the same thing.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=my&...pp4_1&pid=10240

hmm so those BST-37s like mine which doesnt have da white thing on top means its fake?

now its seems so...

bro fulat can confirm on the white thing ? If got means ori?

Photo from SE site. Enlarged.



fu|at's Midland battery



This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: May 13 2006, 12:21 AM

omggg nooooo like dat we must go back to da dealer/shop n claim back cheated us of a ori batt but wats da diff between ori n fake batt?performance wise still da same rite

looks very weird,none like anything all of us have here...

This post has been edited by Zer0 c00L: May 13 2006, 12:20 AM

all one so diff and got so many problems..haih

u should see how that white paper acted. if u cover it up with tape or anything... taking it out will spoil it.

further more... once they open up the inner part of the battery... if ya battery entered water... u still can see water mark inside.

the whitepaper just to ease thier technical guys job. u can't run if it's really enter water. every see inside the phone have some real "sh*t"? i mean it's real... the usersmust have dropped it inside a toilet... wahhahaha

so fulat,
can confirm whether the white thingy confines it 2 be ori?

haha....so even with the black cap cover is removed is just to make an ease for the technicians?

i can't confirm white the white things is original... unless u dare to use water to test it.

and again those white black paper one... the most i can think of it water did make the white paper turned pink/red. so they remove it and put a black paper there.

so far i think authorised warranty claims mainly depand on that paper.

Bro, mine got white sticker wor.

And btw, your battery and the battery on the SE website looks different. Check out the label.

Bro, I think the printing of the label varies from batch to batch.

Even a battery for a cellphone turns out to be a hot thread...haih...SE -sucks everytime...joking joking

nvm all.. is made in china also.. finished in china.. hhaha

yeap.... common battery faulty will be like battery expanded in size... that's dude to the li-poly chemical materials changed. and it release some gas inside. that is a common problem for normal battery failure.

water enter no need to open the battery also can see from outside. ease thier work

@calvin

dat 2 pics u posted in comparison,da one frm da website doenst have da red box thingy compared to fulat's ori BST37... so which is ori now?

My original BST-37 battery is like the SE site. Made in China and Finished in China. It has a metallic like casing around the battery. Solid feel to it.

Type CBA-0002001 stated after the Li-Polymer 3.6 V info.


My AP set however is like calvin_gsc. Has a paper like material wrapping around the battery instead. Made in Korea and finished in china. Looks crappy to me. I'm not surprised this is fake.

lets hope it turns out to be juz different in batches

Bro, that one fu|at draw himself to highlight the label. No worries.

So original one is like hard casing while fake ones got like tape wrapping and easy to crumple

dreamthief,
yours is first batch BST-37. same like my K750i.

bro, can get some photos of your original battery from all angles?

I still think that the wrapping around an ori battery is like aluminum foil.

don't know... calvin, ya battery wrapping is like not original. specially at the back. its like it reattach inside... like a used battery which wrap with some original wrapping again.

Yeah, that's the very first thing I noticed..... such bad quality AP battery.

Attached some pictures here. Sorry for the poor quality. I'm use my K750i for mp3. rarely use the camera also

1) Original BST-37 battery (05W50)

Front


From the side, can't put it on the table cause the side is a bit rounded


Behind with MIdland sticker


The top, the left side you see is the water test sticker. it is white in color btw.


Bottom


This post has been edited by dreamthief: May 13 2006, 09:25 AM

2) AP set (05W26)

Front


Side


Top, touched the battery top with wet hands (not dropped in toilet, still working)


Back, looks like paper wrapping it. Push it around, the paper sinks in


This post has been edited by dreamthief: May 13 2006, 09:29 AM

uhh i getting confuse with the original n non original thingy.. cant reli differenciate them.. my ap k750 battery oso made in korea finished in china, does it reli different from ori battery which is made in china finished in china?

wei.. da kao ah? se sux? hahaha.. jkjk..

just like motorola's battries.. >,<

Bro, your photos can't ben enlarged. You posted the wrong link. That's just thumbnails. Please try to edit. Thanks for your feedback.

The new comaprisons that I can see is that the water test sticker is squarer for the ori one, and non-ori is more rectangle.

Next, the bottom. The ori one has three small boxes with a dot on each end of it. Non-ori one only has the boxes.

Water test sticker? Looks like those used in lab experiment, is it called blue colbat chloride paper which will turn pink when it contacts with water?

This post has been edited by karhoe: May 13 2006, 09:01 AM

Yeap, That's what they use on the sticker. Helps technician to identify problem easier.

your battery is from winners? What did they tell you?

LOL, sorry sorry. Just got back from partying before posting those pics. Bit blur.

All links fixed.


Hey, here's what i got from SE service center from Maxicom. Even if you bring in the fake batteries it would be quite difficult for them to determine it is fake or original. Only a few guys would be able to tell.

He showed me different type of batteries make. Although i didn't notice any black covered top (the water test sticker part). Well to me, the best type would be the Made in China, finished in china type batteries. Type CDA 0002001.

Basically all are the same, just the build quality and how sexy it looks (compare paper like wrapping with aluminium type wrapping.

This post has been edited by dreamthief: May 13 2006, 09:35 AM

They claim that it is AP original. But if there is any problem, bring it back anytime within 7 days 100% unscractched and they will give you a full refund. I hope nothing happens after 1 month of usage. Cause after that warranty over edi.

This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: May 13 2006, 02:24 PM

Can you verify whether your battery is original or not with SE?

Should be able to. Send to to service center and check.

so.. the conclusion is the only way to diff ori and fake batteries is to bring it back to SE center?

But most AP ones the wrapping is like easy to sunk in la...i mean the paper wrapping of AP ones....

calvin,
yours might be a refurbish battery according to the technical personal...and they are sure yours a ori one...

-vip3rleon9-, pengster,
according to them the battery was manufactured after 05W20 above. your battery might be imitation.

This post has been edited by fulat: May 13 2006, 11:32 AM

so calvin and fulat's is fake?

mayb SE QC not good?

hm.. might be or confirm?

ok this is my BTS-37 for W800i AP......
what u think is it fake or not ???



This post has been edited by 2uk3y: May 13 2006, 12:00 PM

hey calvin_gsc,

how bout opening a thread on our chargers? seems that mine is an imitation wan too.. =(

Bro, you showed your colleagues?

Bro fu|at said technical personal said my battery is a refurbished one, but original.

This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: May 13 2006, 12:25 PM

About chargers? I dont know why but somehow I am not concerned with chargers. Because fake batteries have the risk of exploding.

ahh.. okayokayy.. so that means that by using third-party chargers, it wun harm our phones or the batteries right?

Well, that's what I hope. Well, it's a matter of the guarantee that the originals provide you. So, if you want the assurance use ori one. The 3rd party one isn't quaranteed.

instead of fake batteries aplenty, a lot of people W800i casing itself is fake. damn cheap looking and plastic feel. bluek.

what for all exchange the original to fake ones?! to gain more profit?! didn't they get enough money when we bought the phone from them?!

i bought my W800i from SE Tech Center in KLCC, extra RM100 for peace of mind~ nothing is for sure, though. so beware.

We can't really blame anyone here. If I wanna blame also, I think i will look for the "geniuses" in mainland China.

Thanks to them, some things may have enriched our lives but some may have just ruined ours.

we already paid the amount sufficient to earn them a profit. still, they prefer to get more.

nice saying, btw~

hmm mine says 05W19...could it be...original? but mine does not have dat white thing on top n onli has 1 rectangular box below...most of u guyz have 3

just say it's from novarcell.. a trusted company.. how?

what the.. casing also wanna cheat.. this ppl..

IMHO, Novacell is reputable, they provide proper warranty for their products.

Even for their cheapest handsfree kit also got few months warranty. Can change 1-1. Very good.

so if i get a third party charger from them it's okay lah right? as in.. it wun spoil my phone and stuff..

so means eg:05W18 could be ori according 2 fulat?

fulat said those 05W20 n above are most probably imitations...so those below are ori

so means if i hav 1 05W18,it means it is ori?

i show them the picture here... they 70% comfirm those battery earlier than 05W20 should be fake one... because earliest first BST-37 only surfaced around late May or earlier June. so that should be around Week 20 and above.

bro, mine's 06W13? So, it's this year's batch?

BTW, my k750i running latest firmware. R1BC002