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 The SSD Thread V4, Solid State Drive

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post Jul 4 2014, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 4 2014, 09:34 AM)
My laptop's lightly loaded. I use my desktop at home and at the office most of the time. My laptop's only used sparingly when I'm working outside or overseas.

Unfortunately the number of power-on hours is shown as 0 and I forgot to note down how many writes it has gone through.
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now thats making me kinda conscious on how many writes im doing to my SSD

if based on Intel Toolbox and CrystalDiskInfo, i seem to have written 3.2TB? i think thats alot for a <1 year old drive shocking.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(Shinka @ Jul 8 2014, 03:42 PM)
Anyone here using a Solid State Hybrid Drive?

I know its not as fast, but for the price/performance ratio, its pretty good.

I read that its much faster than normal 7200 rpm hard drives too.

Any opinions?
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its way faster than normal 7220RPM, in fact if you read reviews about it, its nearly as fast as a standard SSD already
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post Jul 10 2014, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(sixshot @ Jul 10 2014, 06:49 PM)
guys, whats the best bang for buck ssd right now? planning to grab one.  smile.gif

budget - rm 350
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Intel 530 120GB, should be slightly above RM300

comes with 5 year warranty and good read/writes
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post Jul 18 2014, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2014, 03:38 PM)
Yes, it's 5 years warranty but the write performance is shit.  wink.gif

All IT is selling the Intel 530 120GB at RM 279 at the moment. For RM 6 more, I got the 120GB Samsung 840 Evo.
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i disagree, the write speed is pretty much better or on par with most SSDs on the market

and picking a TLC NAND over MLC? youre buying something more expensive, yet have lower endurance
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post Jul 19 2014, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 19 2014, 03:28 PM)
Is there any proof that shows this PCIE SSD cannot be use as boot drive? sweat.gif
Most of the review sites that use multiple storage drive for testing so there are no conclusion, except the Guru3D use this PCIE SSD solely as storage drive.

Even if it's not bootable, there are many tricks to make it bootable, if the Windows/Unix bootloader can recognize this drive.
My cheap mobo don't have extra space for this SSD, else i would really bought it  tongue.gif

Kinda bored of current SATA based SSD cause its already saturated the SATA 6GBs bandwidth. And uh i dont want the SATA Express SSD because of the ugly cable (are we going back to IDE cable? the hell with it)
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that is rather odd though, Macs have been using PCIE SSDs as boot drive

any idea why in Windows they cant? hmm.gif
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post Jul 19 2014, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 19 2014, 08:51 PM)
PC Master race could butt hurt lol,
Apple use full fledged PCIE SSD?

http://www.asus.com/sg/Storage_Optical_Dri...press_PCIe_SSD/
www.plextoramericas.com/index.php/pcie-ssd/hhhl/pcie-m6e
Both also stated support legacy BIOS and UEFI, i guess they're bootable.

If bootloader can recognize the PCIE SSD as storage drive, they're bootable too, well, in theory.
Even a usb thumbdrive are bootable lol  sweat.gif  doh.gif
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im just assuming atm, im not 100% sure myself
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post Jul 19 2014, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 19 2014, 11:07 PM)
right smile.gif for mac, it's using pcie x4 m.2 to be exact. (only the m.2 ssd, without the pcie adapter) pc has kept up with this. i am using the same samsung xp941 with asrock z97 extreme 6.
yes apple is using full 4-lane pcie m.2 ssd. it's a m.2 type 2280 (80mm).
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i see, thanks for the clarification, wonder when will this be mainstream enough for consumer. would like to see M.2 SSDs go cheap soon nod.gif

on the other hand, a question

my Intel 530 120GB (less than 6 months) have made 3.6TB writes, is this normal? hmm.gif
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post Jul 19 2014, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 19 2014, 11:47 PM)
no problems. yeah m.2 drives are expensive now. with the same price i think it's better to get 2x sata drives. if i make a raid0 with 2 sata drives, i can get a much better speed than 1x pcie x2 ssd. i really hope the mainstream ones are pcie x4 instead of the current x2. the form factors are really good imo. slick and very light. the ssd is mounted directly to the mobo.

as for your question, i think it's normal. at that rate i even think you should have no problem using it for more than 5 years. actually, the writes are mainly depending on your usage. certain contributions are also from how you set your system up. use of ram disk and rearrange system temp files and web browser cache to it is one example. use hdd for downloads and storage is another. (i go further and get primocache for ram-based ssd/hdd caches. ram-based enhancements are the trends in ssd's like samsung 840 evo and pro, and upcoming plextor drives) this is also why my machines have more ram than i need. (actually they are for system optimizations. for my own use, i just need 16gb)
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just abit surprised its already that much. but if you say its fine, i think it should be okay i guess

i just upgraded to 12GB, lots of RAM atm laugh.gif

Primocache is something i might go take a look though
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post Jul 20 2014, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 20 2014, 12:07 AM)
Well there are "tons" of free system backup utilities, The windows backup that could create and image of your drive is already good enough, you just need to copy your system image to somewhere safer and makes a two copies of it.
There are no sign of when the storage drive gonna die  sweat.gif
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nah im not so concerned on the system backup thingy, i usually back up often wink.gif

paranoia ho!

and afaik, Intel Toolbox do warn you when the drive is dying

QUOTE(horns @ Jul 20 2014, 12:20 AM)
just use ssd normally. use its strengths (reads, not writes), but don't go purposely challenge its weaknesses haha

i think you should look at ramdisk first. check out softperfect ramdisk. you can start with 2gb and relocate your temp folders, and web cache locations to it. it helps.

primocache is mainly for speed (do this when you have unused system ram).
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post Jul 21 2014, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 21 2014, 09:26 PM)
bingo smile.gif it's true that most people only need 8gb. it works well for most purposes. however, with more physical ram, you can use it to make a system even more responsive, including file access to the slowest of components in your computer, i.e. hdd. (all storage devices are the slowest) ram is fast and indestructible.  the good thing about ramdisk and primocache is that you can always adjust them on-the-fly when you decide to have more system ram.
LOL! wait until you build a new machine and put it into that one.

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.. and this is softperfect ram disk. (this one i like the most. it's the fastest of all ramdisk software that i have tried)

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right. the machine boots fast enough with ssd. the more important thing to me is responsiveness when i work.
it's a 90-day trial. i'm not sure if it's still like previously, which you could extend 90 days after 90 days for months.
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no risk doing this? hmm.gif
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post Jul 22 2014, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 22 2014, 12:06 AM)
for desktops, it depends on your usage. without UPS, there are risks, definitely. if you really wanna work on a desktop computer using ram disk, it's better to get an UPS. however, if you only use it to house temp folders, web cache, and those stuff that can be safely discarded when you turn the computer off, there are none.

for laptops, so far no. there were times when the battery ran out and i forgot to turn the power source on. my downloads were still intact once plugged in and booted.

edit: i work on laptops most of the times, with battery installed and plugged in.
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i see, well RAM is volatile afterall

best leave temp folders and unimportant stuffs inside
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post Jul 23 2014, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 23 2014, 11:41 AM)
if you wanna build a system with solely ssds for such usage, i think it makes more sense to choose mlc over tlc ssds. (i.e. use crucial mx100 instead of sammy's evo).

however, i still think you should add a hdd for downloads and data storage. the bottleneck when you download stuff is not from your hdd. it's always the internet speed. as for file access, hdd is not that bad, especially if you can do something like what TristanX did above.
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not unless he have 1Gbps Internet speed laugh.gif then, HDD is bottleneck

but yeah, do opt for MLC instead of TLC for endurance. youre going to be writing alot onto the SSD, best grab the one that have the most endurance to last you longer
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post Jul 23 2014, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(suncrescent @ Jul 23 2014, 04:07 PM)
I'm using Maxis Fibre 10mbps, so that's why I don't mind to keep downloading game only when needed, for me it is fast enough, but I don't know whether it meet the standard for gaming PC or not.

For best bang for bucks I think MX100 clearly won the game. But just look at the design, plain old looking blue color SSD vs modern looking metallic gray encased SSD, it even has better typeface. If I buy motherboard like RoG series, I seriously would like to pair it with Samsung SSD, to put MX100 there feels like doesn't justify the beauty of the board (no offence to anyone, just imo)  notworthy.gif
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10Mbps is very good already, considering there are still people on 1Mbps streamyx sad.gif

you can always spray paint brows.gif

on the other hand, unless youre displaying the SSD directly i dont think itll matter much? i mean, getting a badass black SSD but place behind mobo tray.. not being displayed.. that beats its purpose doesnt it? sweat.gif

if youre looking for nice black colours, maybe can take a look at Corsair Force series too
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post Jul 23 2014, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(suncrescent @ Jul 23 2014, 06:25 PM)
Yeah, I'm looking forward to buy NZXT H440, and I'll put the SSD at where it belong below the GPU, can see through the clear window of the casing.  brows.gif So I absolutely want to showcase my SSD, that's why want a pretty one. At first I was looking at Kingston HyperX series, but Samsung's prove to give more value for money.

Will look into corsair force series as well since you mentioned it.
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ahh no wonder, the bottom 2.5" for H440s are really nicely placed behind the window for viewing

if that is so, by all means do go ahead with whichever choice

but if youre gonna delete and redownload games, i still recommend HDD storage. youll wear out your SSD real fast although their rated lifespan writes is close to 1PB (petabyte)
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post Jul 23 2014, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(suncrescent @ Jul 23 2014, 06:48 PM)
But, but, that looks like defeating my purpose of using SSD as primary drive. The game won't load as fast with HDD, and if I download and keep it in HDD, then transfer to SSD to play, won't it still be the same like downloading all over again, to do that will still wear the SSD.

Let say on average every game size is 5gb, some might reach 20-30gb for AAA games. Still I can have on average 20-30 games on my drive at a time. But I believe I'm not going to remove and re-download game every week (most probably I won't have time to play them all). Maybe at most 1 game per month, and 2,3 small indie titles. Or maybe I'll follow such formula that once my drive reach 80%, I'll delete all finished game and then download another game that I want to play as time move along. So it looks like I won't wear the SSD that much right?
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will still wear, since its your primary drive and everytime it reaches it P/E cycle. my Intel 530 SSD have already made 3.7TB writes since i bought it half a year ago. i dont even install any games on it shocking.gif

try this perhaps? do like what i plan to do in future

buy 2 SSD. 1 120GB , 1 500GB or 1TB SSD. then put all OS files on 120GB SSD, the rest dump to the bigger cap SSD. that way, even if max writes reached and you need to replace SSD (few years time) you dont have to reinstall OS drive or do anything with primary drive.

cons of that, expensive and takes up 2 2.5" slot in your casing
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post Jul 24 2014, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(azizul1975 @ Jul 24 2014, 11:00 AM)
how do you check total writes ?

mine is SSD 330 60GB which  i bought 2 years ago, still alive and kicking. i use it for playing guild wars 2 only. gw2 update pretty frequent so i guess a lot of read and write has been going on...
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Intel SSD Toolbox or CrystalMark Disk Info
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post Jul 24 2014, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 24 2014, 05:34 PM)
Well, try to check the background IO write on task manager, i think your might drop your jaw.
I started Chrome on morning around 11am and didn't off my comp, now i check back the IO write it's already near 1.341 GB  rclxms.gif
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post Jul 24 2014, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 24 2014, 05:41 PM)
Me neither, welcome to the SSD suicide club LOL
1.34GB is just the main process, those addons are also keep writing and writing and writing  sweat.gif
And yeah, Chrome use the most, time to change web browser?  tongue.gif

Now the IO already 1.4GB, so damn fast.
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where did you check them in Task Manager? the Write speed? or Disk Transfer Rate?

mine like writing max ~400KB/s
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post Jul 24 2014, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 24 2014, 07:29 PM)
I'm on Windows 7 sweat.gif
On task manager , go to View > Select columns > I/O write bytes.
Prolly same for wundows 8.

Off topic: now already 2.45GB.
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only found this lol hmm.gif

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post Jul 25 2014, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 25 2014, 12:13 AM)
for w8.1 it has been changed to 'details' tab in task manager.
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i still dont see the word IO anywhere hmm.gif

or is the 'Memory' tab is where each process are performing the writes?

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