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post Dec 10 2014, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Dec 10 2014, 01:57 PM)
The current state of HDD tech seems to stalled, they only introduce larger capacity every year, there are no news about transfer rate improvement, only the SATA 6Gbps gimmick which they could never be achieved.
Also the drive with >2TB has higher failure rate, they just reduce the warranty period, there is no new tech for the hdd protection.
You want longer warranty and longer MTBF? get enterprise drive, double the price with same capacity.  brows.gif  shakehead.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif

And you guys seems forget there is a thing called RAID sweat.gif
forget about new SATA 6Gbps SSD, they're for laptop that don't have m.2 slot or lousy AMD mobo.
get a dual cheapo SSD and RAID the hell out of it if your mobo support TRIM on RAID 0 array, or just get XP941.
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oh. hdd is a perfect example when technology is mature: very affordable, but going nowhere. as long as it does the job, i think it should be fine.

raid can boost speed alright. it's a good choice for those who need it. however to me (as a home user), even a single sata ssd is fast enough hehe
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post Dec 11 2014, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Dec 10 2014, 03:15 PM)
TLC is the future for consumer SSD biggrin.gif

but not at the current pricing, i mean, would you get a TLC NAND SSD when its priced the same as other MLC NAND?

might as well get the MLC right? at least its proven to have higher endurance sweat.gif
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Dec 10 2014, 04:08 PM)
hmm.... true enough.... guess we just need to let time to bring the cost down for those new tech  cry.gif

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it's always like that, whether we like it or not :/
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post Dec 20 2014, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Dec 20 2014, 12:33 AM)
only booth i think you can ask is IdealTech and APES afaik

the rest are mostly, laptops, smartphones, tablets, powerbanks etc
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i think these two booths are the only few that are worth visiting. is there any other attractions?

hopefully i will get something for my desktops there today.
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post Dec 20 2014, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Dec 20 2014, 02:02 PM)
unlikely, unless youre there to see booth girls laugh.gif
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haha if that's the case this will be a very quick trip, like last year.

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post Dec 22 2014, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 22 2014, 04:54 PM)
i hope 1TB SSD will be cheaper when windows 10 released ending 2015...that will be the time i pulled the trigguh brows.gif  icon_idea.gif
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er.. 2015 might be too early for ssd's to get cheaper but it might happen haha

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post Dec 22 2014, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 22 2014, 05:09 PM)
haha right now hoping 500-512GB ssd cheaper...that is my sweet spot install OS together with some games laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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yeah actually the price has dropped significantly compared to last year or two.

with the (almost, still slightly on the high side) same price for 256gb previously, we can get a 512gb now. the future might be very bright biggrin.gif
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post Dec 22 2014, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 22 2014, 05:19 PM)
lulz not 4 me...now changing processor first...my i5 is shit in latest games...SSD confirm i buy when windows 10 come out time
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Oh just do upgrades at your own pace smile.gif there is no need to rush also. By the time w10 is out maybe there will be other surprises as well.

These days there is not much exciting news about sata ssd's. I guess its price will continue to go down following moore's law.

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post Dec 25 2014, 10:50 AM

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yes the difference between ssd and hdd is still night and day, even if ssd is connected to sata2.
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post Dec 27 2014, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(rurushu @ Dec 27 2014, 12:04 PM)
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USB3.1 products coming in Q1 2015, does that means 2015 is a good year for SSD? Because HDD right now already couldn't harness the full speed of USB3.0, and USB3.1 storage products are pushing in, will this drive SSD to be utilized in the external storage like flash drives and ext HDD?  hmm.gif

Will the demand help drive down the SSD prices more?  hmm.gif
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thanks for the heads up biggrin.gif this is one of the things i am waiting for. although it might take a while to populate, at least it's here soon hahaha!

hopefully this also move us away from things like bad usb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpxZFoNiQ10
https://github.com/adamcaudill/Psychson

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post Dec 27 2014, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 27 2014, 10:15 PM)
I don't think the USB3.1 has a big impact.

USB3.0 already exist for years already, still many are still using USB2.0

For storage purpose, speed is not the major concern, but cost is.

There is still a wide gap in term of cost between SSD and HDD.
Accessing data between SSD and HDD, there is little noticeable difference between.
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right. in general hdd is still king in storage in terms of costs. however, it's also nice for me to have a speedy external ssd storage with a capacity of more than 512gb that i can carry around, without worrying about catastrophic failures because of my carelessness hehe

QUOTE(rurushu @ Dec 27 2014, 10:25 PM)
this is what i hoped would happen... but still cannot neglect the advance of SSDs into the PCIe lanes....  hmm.gif

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pcie ssd is already good as fixed drives in a system.
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post Dec 29 2014, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Dec 28 2014, 12:52 AM)
tbh, SSD replacing HDD is what everyone wants. but the cost is the main issue

SSD can deal with physical damage more than HDD can. its def suited for being transported around.

but rmb, all mainstreamers are cheapskate. so what fast? i want put more things inside than speed
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yes i had a pretty bad experience before. the whole set of data in my external hdd was gone because of my carelessness. luckily i had a complete backup.

transcend ssd 370 512gb is now at MYR 689.00. since it's for data storage, it doesn't need to be super performing.

edit: let's see if this happens in 2016 and beyond biggrin.gif

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/42280/expert...yond/index.html


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post Dec 29 2014, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Dec 29 2014, 01:07 AM)
even the slowest SSD is still faster than average HDD nod.gif
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yes. speed is one advantage. the main thing to me is still relative data safety hehe

QUOTE(rurushu @ Dec 29 2014, 10:22 AM)
hahhaah.... cannot compare like this, if compare some speed oriented with a capacity oriented for speed, of course the speed wins...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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after the incident of failed hdd, i switched to usb sticks also. however usb sticks are slow for large files.

my simplified comparison is this: for 256gb, you need 4x 64gb usb sticks. i use sandisk ultra usb 3.0 64gb for comparison here. (there are options with faster speed but the price is quite high) the total cost is like MYR 440.00. in terms of speed, it is said to have up to 100MB/s.

now you get a 256gb ssd plus a common external enclosure, say, ssd for MYR 380.00, and external hdd enclosure, MYR 70.00. the total is about MYR 450.00. the price is almost the same. the speed for ssd in external enclosure is about 190MB/s.

this is why i think it's a viable option to me.
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post Dec 29 2014, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(rurushu @ Dec 29 2014, 06:00 PM)
well, your justification does makes sense, however, i think for current market, storing data using NAND storage is still not a very plausible option, at least from the financial viewpoint, because of the price/GB is still high for SSDs, however, if you mean using it to backup crucial informaions, which i think would rarely exceed the 256GB, then i think it is a good option considering the pricing for 256GB range SSD is now not as unreacable as last time  hmm.gif

now i just hope the same can happen to the 512GB capacity SSDs, as speculations from analysts said the involvement of Intel in the 3D V-NAND in 2015 would offset the SSD market in terms of pricing and capacity, forcing prices for large capaciy SSDs to come down  drool.gif
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yes it's true ssd's still costly for large and fixed storage. i still prefer hdd because it's still the cheapest option, and it's good enough if large files are accessed one at a time.
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post Dec 31 2014, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(Snowhorn @ Dec 30 2014, 05:43 PM)
I just found out that the data transfer speed on 250GB is double of 120GB...
Should I consider a 250GB SSD instead??
Can recommend me any cheap and good 250GB SSD?
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like chocobo7779 suggested, intel 530 240gb should be a good buy.

sata ssd's started to run at almost top sata3 speeds since two year ago. for reliability's sake, you can choose from older models that have good records. for now only intel 530 has a good price tag with long warranty period.

imo the better size of ssd should be at least 240gb. in general, 240-256gb range is the sweet spot for many things in a ssd as a system drive. it usually has the speed of higher capacity variants. also, you have more space to play with. you can use some of it for over provisioning to further prolong lifespan of nand flash and boost performance.
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QUOTE(blaze91 @ Jan 4 2015, 08:24 PM)
but the difference between 840 evo and 850 evo i cant really find it as one more thing i forget to mention here. My laptop using msata

ps: just saw the writing speed of 850 evo is much more better compared to 840 evo and also wana ask why didnt u suggest pro?
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there is no msata in 850 pro.
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post Jan 7 2015, 11:06 AM

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finally it's the time of the year. ces 2015 has a bunch of stuff that are worth waiting for.

in terms of ssd technology, controllers for nvme ssd are now ready. it seems that overheating is no more an issue with the new controller by marvell. (meaning heat sinks are not needed anymore, especially for high-speed data transfers)

hopefully we can see some actual products in retail soon lol!
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post Jan 7 2015, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 7 2015, 12:22 PM)
problem MYR continue sux. USD & SGD goin strong. GST implement. frankly speaking CES 2015 not a good year for us.
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well. yeah. imo it's better to plan the next purchase for best bang for bucks.

i'm sorry but maybe it's time to shift our way of thinking from 'why do we earn so less?' to 'how can we earn more?'
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post Jan 7 2015, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jan 7 2015, 01:20 PM)
yeah true but nowadays ppl doin biz always cheat. no cheat no profit. back to basic, honesty is the best policy. y no ppl review plextor ssd?  hmm.gif
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cheating is a bad practice in everything. however to say no cheat no profit is kind of exaggerating imo. there are many ways to do business honestly and still earn a good margin. (not as good as cheating, but good enough to let you sleep well at night hehe) you need to think and work hard for it.

i rather think more about how i can earn more, because in the end of the day, only consumers will keep the money flowing, and everyone is happy.

yeah seldom we have people talking about plextor. maybe the previous product recalls on m6pro which lacked of follow-up updates had something with this. it's not the best but it's still one of the better ones, at least to me. i have older m5pro and m5m, and i am quite happy with them.
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post Jan 8 2015, 10:41 PM

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new products from crucial:

1) MX200
http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/storage-ssd-mx200

2) BX100
http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/storage-ssd-bx100


finally the office toolbox software for crucial drives:
http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/support-storage-executive

overview:
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/The-Cru/An-Ove...ive/ba-p/163301

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now news from samsung, this is why you should make sure your next purchase has a pcie 3.0 x4 m.2 slot, or get a compatible pcie adapter if you don't hehe

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2015...ast-Low-powered

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post Jan 9 2015, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 9 2015, 06:48 AM)
well said my daddy use 2 say this many freaking times laugh.gif doh.gif

in work 4 others sector,,,just do more jobs work and salary sure grow more or else just jump else where just like today job market laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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yeah i learned it from my dad and seniors that had done well in their careers and businesses. tbh to say it is easy, but you really need to work hard to make it real. (i'm working on it lol) again, i think it's better to pick things up along the way. the shortcut is apparently jumping here and there, but there will be something more valuable missing if you go along that line.

this world is fair in the sense that everyone is equal in terms of time. we all have the same 24 hours a day. the question is, how do you make the most values out of it?

damn i am way off-topic.

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notes on Crucial Storage Executive software: it's a big 150MB java-based Web GUI package, supports m500 and onwards.

what i think weird is that with such large package we don't have a tool that we can create bootable media for sanitation of a compatible drive (i think it's secure erase in another name). for w8/8.1 the drives are TCG-enabled by default so you cannot sanitize them. you can however perform a psid revert (i.e. returns a drive to its factory default state in the event a password-protected TCG-enabled drive's password is lost)

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