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post Jan 24 2015, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(rurushu @ Jan 23 2015, 10:07 PM)
oh... that one i read before regarding the PCIe lanes allocation for z97 chipset, i think is 20 lanes, and then x99 is 40 lanes, for maximum of 4x SLI config of 16x 8x 8x 8x...  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

I see.... my area is really bad in terms of power stability, every once awhile will blackout for like 5 mins, then return to normal, that sudden voltage surge is very damaging to my PC... >.< and yea, plan to get an UPS for the peace of mind  sweat.gif
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i believe it's 8x 4 times. nevermind my main point is that we must plan the setup accordingly so that we can use them optimally.

man that's bad. i think you should also get power surge protectors to provide additional protections if it's frequent.
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post Jan 24 2015, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(milky @ Jan 24 2015, 01:40 PM)
Don't know whether is this the thread where i can ask about mSATA...
Why i search slot of places no more samsung msata?  Is it or if production ?  New version coming?
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samsung models that have msata version is 840/850 evo. i think you can find that at garage sales (ronaldjoe maybe?)

QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 24 2015, 04:47 PM)
I wan to purchase a basic ssd 120gb. My pc system i3. 4g ram. 32bit window 7. Jus wan to load my window and dota 2 loading screen faster only. Any recommend for cheap ssd that suit me?
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you can try out transcend ssd 370. there might be something worth while in garage sales also.
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post Jan 24 2015, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(milky @ Jan 24 2015, 05:00 PM)
already asked him.. he said no stock.. i went to Lowyat all also said no stock...just curious is it changing model already?

is the 840 evo already phased out for msata?
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oh ok. yes 840 evo has phased out and the new one is samsung 850 evo.

i think there are other options like crucial and plextor. however i am not sure if they are still available.
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post Jan 24 2015, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(milky @ Jan 24 2015, 05:16 PM)
crucial no feeling towards them...
i only thought about plextor and samsung...

btw just curious.. is there any website regarding SSD/mSATA similiar to gsmarena? something like telling the date birth of each ssd/msata? just wan to check when is cycle of new model out
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haha.. the 'numbers' of crucial drives are not among the finest, but they are ok actually smile.gif

as for release dates, i usually just use google or refer to manufacturer's website. i am not sure if there is a website with such functions lol

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post Jan 24 2015, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 24 2015, 11:02 PM)
asus ''p8h61-m lx r2.0'' is my motherboard.. i duno it will support ssd or not. transcend ssd feedback is cheap and good?
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ssd's sata support usually are backward compatible. i checked the mobo specs, its sata ports support sata2 (3Gb/s). the sata3 ssd will run at half of their full speed in this case. it's totally fine for general use, still much faster than hdd.
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post Jan 25 2015, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 24 2015, 11:40 PM)
i saw many brand abt ssd. samsung 840 evo, intel 530, and transcend 370 is currently most cheapest ssd for 120gb if compare to others. but i wonder it quality. any feedback from it? 3gb/s mean i need use double the amount of time to start up my system? example 10 seconds become 20 seconds?
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i will say don't worry about the quality of these drives. they are adopted by more users than other retail brands due to the same pricing reasons. so far we heard no one is complaining about them.

of the three, i will pick intel because of its mlc nand flash and the longer 5-year warranty. it's not the fastest compared to samsung 840 evo with rapid mode turned on. (in your case, speed means nothing because there is a hardware limitation already) the balance point (between performance, pricing, warranty period, etc.) is really up to one's expectation and preference.

as for sata speed vs. boot time/software load time, imo it's not a big deal (sata2 is slightly slower than sata3. i can live with that). anyway 20 seconds is still better than 2 minutes (w7 on hdd) hehe

edit: you asked if there were feedback about transcend ssd's, yes we have users of transcend ssd here, and the ssd's work fine for them. tbh the terms 'good' and 'cheap' don't really associate well with each others in terms of ssd. 'you get what you pay for' is more appropriate.

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post Jan 25 2015, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Jan 25 2015, 12:23 PM)
2 SSD in RAID 0 is faster than M.2 SSD. Wow.

Then better go for 2 SSD in RAID 0 lor.
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i was referring to plextor m.2 ssd that were in your previous posts. in that case, yes it's better to use 2x sata ssd raid0. (and is still cost-effective)

for xp941, which is the current best pcie ssd, its speed is similar to or better than 2x sata ssd raid0. the problem is that it's expensive and rare. (oem only)

for the upcoming pcie ssd like sm951 with nvme technology (again it's for oem only), you will need 4x sata ssd raid0 to match with the speed of 1x m.2 ssd. again, price and availability are likely the main concerns. there are products from other brands that are between xp941 (read speed about 1.1GB/s) and sm951 (read speed slightly over 2GB/s), with price list unknown yet. it's better to wait for them to be released first.
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post Jan 25 2015, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Jan 25 2015, 01:11 PM)
WOWWWWWWWWWW........

New M.2 read speed 2GB/s ?

Really amazing. But the PCIE 2.0 bus will be bottleneck ?
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for samsung sm951 nvme type (512GB, pcie 3.0 x4), yes.

pcie 2.0 will definitely be the bottleneck. still it's like 1.5GB/s.

please note that everything is still very early to get something like sm951. all the discussions surrounding it was about awareness of nvme, and maybe it can be included as part of the wish list when people plan their new purchases of laptops. (especially ultra slim laptops) i have read that there are 2 types of sm951, the ahci and nvme type. (they have different part numbers) the ahci type is relatively slower but cheaper. it was said that the upcoming lenovo x1 carbon has this. i'm also not sure sm951 can be used in bare m.2 form. (the previous xp941 is confirmed hot. some laptop vendors that use xp941 do provide an adapter that also acts as heat spreader to overcome this)

QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 25 2015, 01:11 PM)
how abt kingston v300 120gb? i cant find transcend here in penang.
kingston v300 and transcend 370 is in my price range. which one do u prefer?
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about kingston v300, i really don't wanna suggest it because of the incident that they swapped stuff in this model. (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-update-to-kingston-ssdnow-v300-a-switch-to-slower-micron-nand)

why don't you check out the garage sales? hikari85 is one good seller that comes into my mind that is near your area (well maybe relatively). maybe she has something better to offer also.
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post Jan 26 2015, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(milky @ Jan 25 2015, 09:57 PM)
is there any news on NEW samsung 850 msata?
coz 840 whole KL no stock..
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wow. maybe it's just a transition period before 850 evo starts to populate the market.

QUOTE(ashraf095 @ Jan 25 2015, 10:50 PM)
i just bought oem ssd, LiteOn L9S 256gb. In crystaldiskinfo i got unknown result. Also, it does not show any temperature reading. Maybe because it doesnt have temp sensor i guess.
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i suspect that oem drives might reassign essential parameters for crystal diskinfo to work properly.

the drive seems fine to me.
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post Jan 26 2015, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(milky @ Jan 26 2015, 11:19 AM)
hopefully new mSATA 850 will come in this month or next.. coz i got new laptop and i cant do anything yet.. waiting for msata to be OS ssd
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ok good luck smile.gif

QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Jan 26 2015, 04:25 PM)
msata is replaced by pcie dy ?
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for laptops, msata slot is still a common option. it's gradually replaced by m.2 slots. (because m.2 ssd is not cheap) depending on models and brands, there are 2 types of m.2 slots: sata and pcie. be sure to check out the specs properly before purchase.
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post Jan 27 2015, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(milky @ Jan 26 2015, 07:45 PM)
hahahah
the good luck means? still long way to go ah? xD
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no i really mean it literally, wishing you luck for getting the drive you want biggrin.gif

i have confidence on samsung ssds because i use quite a lot of them at home and for work, and there is no glitches whatsoever that i know of. (840 evo bug was confirmed fixed. it's not an issue anymore) note that this doesn't mean other brands are bad. i use other brands, like intel, plextor, and crucial too (including their oem ssds) and to me they are also good (depending on use cases).

i don't believe that i am this lucky.

QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 26 2015, 11:58 PM)
is it all kingston ssd not worth to buy or just the 300V? i wish to know the feedback of kingston hyper fury x.
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no i don't mean that. i just refer to that particular model. i have other preferred options, this is why i never used a kingston drive before. for hyperx fury ssd, you have a better chance to find out from other review sites/reviews/comments about it. there's no report about it here afaik.
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post Jan 27 2015, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 27 2015, 12:56 AM)
Oem ssd are those with trader 1 year warranty only?
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Something like that. In short, oem stuff are those that come with a prebuilt system. Unlike retail stuff, the warranty of oem parts are tied to the prebuilt system, and is honored by the manufacturer of that system. You cannot claim warranty separately. (e.g. Your asus laptop has a stock ssd made by samsung, and asus tells you that the laptop has a 2-year warranty. When the ssd failed, you claim its replacement from asus, not samsung. This also means the stock ssd has 2 years of warranty, because it is tied to your laptop)
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post Jan 27 2015, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 27 2015, 01:31 PM)
Well, the 840 EVO suffers from the same issue again, even after a firmware fix is applied. rclxub.gif

http://techreport.com/review/27727/some-84...speed-slowdowns

However, none of my 840 EVOs suffer from this issue.. rclxub.gif
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wow. then i take back what i said lol

tlc drives really need some work-outs :/ i just tested my evo drives. the speed for both sata and msata 512GB were fine. i seldom use this laptop these days and i leave it in my bag for more than a few weeks already.

840 evo, 512gb, sata:
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840 evo, 512gb, msata:
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something is not right.






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post Jan 27 2015, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 27 2015, 08:14 PM)
Possible, since my friends own one of these and it seems like they are not affected by this issue.  BTW, I have applied the firmware restoration tool on these drives on day one. sweat.gif

I may need to monitor this issue a bit more. hmm.gif
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hm.. same here. let's see what happen after 3 months from now.

QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 27 2015, 10:06 PM)
Well,if it's different batch,at least it's not like what happened to Kingston V300.. sweat.gif
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it's one of the possibilities.

for kingston v300, it's a pity. actually it's one of the few models that has the lowest return rates as of 6 november 2014. (source: hardware.fr)
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post Jan 28 2015, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:46 PM)
i think i better straight go for intel 530 series. less issue and 5 years warranty.
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for general use i also think it's a good drive. it's old, to me it's still fine.
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post Jan 28 2015, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 28 2015, 10:02 PM)
i though 530 series is new series for intel? so if compare to transcend 370, which 1 can perform better?
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intel 530 is a ssd released in 2013, while transcend 370 is a new drive released in 2014. so on paper, transcend looks better because it should be based on newer technologies. however for general use, you will not feel significant differences.

both have appropriate disk management software for you to manage and monitor the ssd. the most significant advantage for intel 530 is its 2-year-longer warranty.
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post Jan 29 2015, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 28 2015, 11:53 PM)
this is the answer wat i looking for. thanks =)
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oh don't mention it haha
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post Jan 29 2015, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 29 2015, 02:16 PM)
http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsu...20GB/1886vs1934

based on the userbenchmark, i m dilemma for intel 530 or samsung evo 840 now. horns lai pick between this 2 then i straight go for it.
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i will pick intel 530. i suggest you take 240gb if possible. that userbenchmark.com use incompressible data for testing, sandforce controller will look bad. however for general use, it doesn't matter. oi mai blame me if it doesn't work nicely for you ya.

are you looking for performance only or overall value? i pick overall value if for general use lol

QUOTE(milky @ Jan 29 2015, 02:26 PM)
anybody looking for plextor m6m or samsung 840 msata? is there any shop in KL with stock? whole LOWYAT don't have stock.. and new 850msata dont know when will it be coming Malaysia
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wait patiently. i think it will come soon.

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post Jan 30 2015, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 29 2015, 08:05 PM)
why take 240gb? different performance?
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much higher iops than 120gb; and more space for you biggrin.gif. if you are going to use it for more than 3 years, that is.

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post Jan 30 2015, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(amon90 @ Jan 30 2015, 08:49 AM)
my sata 2 mobo is the bottle neck, i think jus 300mbps iops will be okay for me. as long as i will the difference and most importantly is CHEAP!
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ok but i think you will upgrade within that period of time. a little bit of future proofing is nice don't you think?

lol cheap is one factor to consider but i think value for money is more practical. for now intel 530 has most of the values that you can get from a typical ssd.

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