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 PROTON SAVVY LYN club, D4F, JB1 repair manual inside

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post Jul 26 2006, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Jul 26 2006, 01:28 PM)
As the savvy is unique as it was the only locally made car with the AMT gearbox, i wondering how many mysia drivers here do appreciate AMT cars, and i have no idea how many AMT savvy were sold so far.

Apart of its cost which is cheaper than a normal auto, AMT and those with semiauto transmission (especially with flappy paddle gearbox) are tend to be jerky. That explains on why in Europe they still prefer manual over auto and semi auto. sweat.gif

I also doubting will the future proton models will have AMT? hmm....
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Just release the throttle to prevent the jerk, that simple. How much throttle release depends on the gearbox. Very good ones require little to no release of the throttle.
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post Jul 27 2006, 10:03 AM

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http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Wednesday/Features/20060725154006/Article/index_html

Not all transmissions are made equal. SHANNON TEOH and JEREMY MAHADEVAN clutch at... clutches.

MALAYSIANS are a family-loving bunch. Children of all ages are still made to observe Father's and Mother's Day with brunches, hi-teas and whatnot, all at their parents' expense. If that isn't love, what is?

Reciprocally, parents are always protective of their children. They send their children for tuition, they give duit raya and buy cars with the little munchkins in mind.

This is regardless of how little they earn. The family must have a car, if not two, and they must all cater to the possibility of four, if not five, needing to be shuttled somewhere.

So when the Perodua Myvi was launched, it sounded the death knell for cars like their very own Kelisa and Kancil, until then, the standard bearers of economy cars.

At the same time, it ensured that the race to buy a Proton Savvy, was nothing more than a false start. Just after the launch, the waiting list for Myvis stretched up to eight months, whereas one of us actually put in an inquiry for a Savvy, and was told that the wait would only be two weeks long.

Exactly how many mothers were going to put their little tykes in the back of a car whose entire ad campaign was based around being part of a comic? Exactly how many of those mothers were planning to be in an accident in the first place, to test if the car was really 'built tougher than you think'?

For most of them, the Myvi's larger size meant everything. It was more 'practical' even though it could cost up to RM4,000 more than its Savvy equivalent - that is, by leaving out the 'never going up Genting' 1.0l Myvi and matching the 1.3l Myvis with the 1.2l Savvys manual to manual and then automatic to AMT.

And at the end of the day, should a collision ensue, the availability of airbags in the premium spec Myvi would seem far more assuring than 17 squigllion Newtons per millimeter or something of torsional rigidity even if it meant forking out nearly RM50,000.

After all, they were never going to be driving fast enough for the wobbliness of the car to became a safety factor. This however, is where all the good bits of the Savvy lay - exactly where most family-oriented buyers' blindspot is.


But here's the fact of the matter. For a five-door supermini hatchback, the Savvy isn't that tight a fit. It's got a cubbyhole of a boot but you can fold the rear seats of course and get a very decent amount of travel essentials in. It's not as noisy and fidgety as the Kelisa or Kancil and it's got a pretty decent Clarion sound system. So it's nearly perfect as a city runabout and for a two-person road trip too.

It's never going to travel with five like how the Myvi possibly could, but you'll travel with two or three with a good deal of fun for the driver.

You'll never want to drive a Myvi but you may settle for a Savvy with its smart-ish looks and smarter handling. Well, smarter on the manual at least. Sounds odd? Well, it did to us too when we spent a weekend trying to figure out if we'd go for the manual or fish out about two-and-a-half grand more for the AMT.

Automated Manual Transmission is all that abbreviation stands for. And this is what it is - a manual gearbox with a little robot monkey doing all the clutchwork for you. The fact that the throttle is by-wire also allows it to blip the engine for you. That's either a good or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it. It does howl gloriously though.

Although it downshifts cleaner than the majority of drivers will ever do, upshifts are a different matter altogether. Most automated manuals require an easing of the throttle during upshifts to keep proceedings smooth, and the AMT is no exception, but while this is something that you could get used to, the lackadaisical manner in which the shifts occur is another matter altogether. You just know that you can shift faster if left to your own devices.

The weight and motion of the gearstick as you manage your way around the ratios is rather pleasing though, unlike, perhaps, the rest of the brittle, plasticky cabin, fancy hand brake aside. But hey, it's an RM40,000 car. The little bits of rubber available were already a surprise.

In auto mode, however, the AMT acquits itself quite well. It isn't entirely silky and it sometimes gets a bit muddled, but it works exactly as touted - it's more responsive than a torque converter, so it's definitely the driver's choice, and the trade-off in comfort isn't unreasonable. It resides in a precarious sort of limbo, though, because people who are used to autos will probably find it a bit annoying, while people who really want to drive are going to lust after the manual.

It's faster, to begin with. Proton's own figures credit it with a 1.8 second lead to 100km/h over the AMT, and in the real world this difference is very palpable. Because you can actually light up the manual's tyres on take-off you get a head start that will even make up for a couple of bungled shifts.

The manual just makes better use of the car's 74bhp and 105Nm of torque, although you're likely to expend more fuel in the process, and the boomy engine note lends no pleasure to hard driving. The clutch pedal travel is also overly long and the take-up point is overly short and strangely high, resulting in tall people having to drive with their left legs in their chins.

They ought to have improved overall pedal positioning to make things like heel-and-toeing easier. Some adjustability to the steering wheel position would have been welcome too. It's all in the little things, and on this front the manual falls short.

Ergonomics aside, handling-wise the two cars are pretty much, well, different. The manual was perkier, with better turn-in and slower build-up of understeer. This is curious, firstly, because the two cars ought to be well nigh identical. So at first we thought that this might be down to an age difference between our two testers, and we were right, in a wrong sort of way.

Turns out the manual was older and had just over 21,000km on the clock, whilst the AMT had only clocked somewhere above 9,000km. Even more puzzlingly, the manual was clearly in need of a good servicing - the alignment in particular needed looking at, since the steering was wriggling like a living thing at high speeds.

So after all our investigations we have to concede that we're not entirely sure what was up with these two cars. A lot can happen to a car in 9,000km, so it's possible the AMT example was simply driven with less mercy than the manual - after all, print ads said that you could chuck the car into M and the car will conquer, and we know that even great conquerors like Alexander and Caesar suffered losses.

We're still entertaining the possibility that the mismatched wheel rims Proton supplied us with might have been responsible, except those appeared on both cars.

So, conclusions? Because of its inherent flaws, the manual might be more amusing initially, however, if you had the RM42,000 (or a grand more for metallic paint), the AMT will be a better long-term prospect. Slower, yes, but less of a pain, especially in traffic and hey, that gearstick is a load of giggly fun.
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post Jul 31 2006, 01:40 PM

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Some proton with waja bodykits and Gti spoiler..

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post Jul 31 2006, 03:14 PM

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couldn't really imagine that the waja skirt could bring out some simple aggression on the looks, along with the spoiler. nice and simple.
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post Jul 31 2006, 03:58 PM

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wow! that looks nice.....i hope i could drive one of these when i got my licence
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what is the rims size?
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post Jul 31 2006, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(amir_iskandar @ Jul 31 2006, 05:07 PM)
what is the rims size?
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stock 15"
and i have seen some trying to be cute by putting 17" doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

and lol, trying to mask the stock brake calipers....

lol....
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post Jul 31 2006, 05:49 PM

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17" on a savvy? that's just plain insane even with super low profile rubbers.
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Proton savvy is all about the auto to manual mode stuffs that they put in, that's the cool part of it. Something that you can only find with expensive cars only.
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jul 31 2006, 06:49 PM)
17" on a savvy? that's just plain insane even with super low profile rubbers.
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yeah.. i was like wat da fak ? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(LokGP @ Jul 31 2006, 06:59 PM)
Proton savvy is all about the auto to manual mode stuffs that they put in, that's the cool part of it. Something that you can only find with expensive cars only.
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its because of the engine used la....
that is why they can put AMT with it.....
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post Aug 14 2006, 05:14 PM

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Yes AMT is fun..chassis is tough you dun even need strut bars..only 3 tyres stick on the road when coming down from genting..

Tried before going up genting with 5 adult person with luggage + R3 muffler - but quite slow la.

Fuss-free fun

http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?...&sec=lifeliving

Everyone knows manuals are fun but a pain in traffic, and autos are easy but boring. HONG BOON HOW discovers how you can have the best of both worlds.

IF you happen to see the Proton Savvy on the roads these days, the little hatchbacks will probably be zipping around in city traffic before you lose sight of them.

You would probably have guessed that these drivers were exploiting the car's hidden talent – its sporty handling and agility. It was a talent that became evident when the car was first launched.

But the lack of an automatic gearbox option for the Savvy was one reason that initial sales did not quite meet its makers' expectations.

With the recent introduction of the automated manual transmission (AMT) gearbox, that part of the issue has been addressed and driving the Savvy has been made easier.

To put it simply, the AMT works more like a five-speed manual transmission but without your having to depress the clutch pedal – because there isn't one.

The AMT uses actuators to release and engage the clutch and change gears as well, automatically.

The beauty of the AMT is that it uses a dry clutch plate that minimises power loss during gear changes compared with the conventional automatic transmission that uses viscous couplings.

For more control, just flick the shifter to manual mode and push the stick to “+” to shift up and “-” for a lower gear ratio.

A digital display on the instrument cluster will tell you what gear you are in or whether you are in automatic mode.

We decided to have fun with the Savvy AMT by taking a drive up to Genting Highlands recently.

Anyone who has driven up to Uncle Lim's hill resort often enough will know that the unwritten rule is that if your car is not fast enough for the right lane, you should move to the slow left lane used by other slowcoaches, like the tourist buses or construction lorries.

Well, there was no need for any of that with the Savvy AMT.

Savvy AMT's gear shifter allows the driver to choose between automatic/ manual, neutral and reverse positions.
We went into manual mode and selected 2nd and 3rd gears to keep the peppy 1.2-litre Renault engine revving around 5,500rpm for maximum performance.

The fun was seeing the surprised looks on the faces of people driving more powerful and expensive cars as the small hatchback out-climbed them.

I remembered overtaking one guy who was blasting up the resort hill with his sixth-generation 1.6l Honda Civic.

On a level straight road, we knew that his Civic with its powerful V-TEC engine could easily out-run and out-accelerate the Savvy.

But, on the winding and steep roads of Genting Highlands, the Savvy AMT beats the Civic.

When we overtook him on one of the sharp and steep uphill turns, we caught a glimpse of his shocked-look on his face - his jaw dropped and the cigarette which he was smoking almost fell off his mouth.

The Savvy's well-controlled body roll during the mad dash up the Genting Highlands inspires confidence and encourages you to push the car to its limits. We were actually wishing that every corner would be steeper and sharper than the last.
The Lotus-tuned suspension system and stiffer chassis (Proton claims that Savvy's chassis is stronger than any Proton models to date) result in well-controlled handling and cornering capabilities.

These, in my humble opinion, enabled the Savvy to take sharp corners like a cat. Its ride is firm without being too harsh.

The last time we had this much fun with a small car was with the 1.6-litre Citroen C2 which had a Sensodrive gearbox (Citroen's version of the automated manual transmission) but that was in a package which costs close to three times more at RM135,000, albeit having more power.

When it comes to the fun-to-drive factor, we can say that the Savvy is in a class of its own, easily a more thrilling to drive experience than any other compact cars of the same engine size.

Put the AMT system into automatic mode and gear changes can smooth once you adjust your timing in easing off the throttle during a gear change and then powering up once the car is in a new gear.

It's not quite as smooth as a conventional automatic transmission but isn't too far off and a relief during traffic jams.

Being a compact car, the Savvy's interior still offers reasonable room for adults although those sitting at the back seats will have their heads close to the ceiling.

Another thing that we liked about the Savvy is that its large headlights are not just for aesthetics, but throw out brighter light than most early generations Protons.

The Savvy AMT comes with an on-the-road price of RM42,916.






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well, today my friend got his savvy, he was satisfied with it, according to him, it is less fuel consuming than iswara, is it true?
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 14 2006, 05:14 PM)

I remembered overtaking one guy who was blasting up the resort hill with his sixth-generation 1.6l Honda Civic.

On a level straight road, we knew that his Civic with its powerful V-TEC engine could easily out-run and out-accelerate the Savvy.

But, on the winding and steep roads of Genting Highlands, the Savvy AMT beats the Civic. 

When we overtook him on one of the sharp and steep uphill turns, we caught a glimpse of his shocked-look on his face - his jaw dropped and the cigarette which he was smoking almost fell off his mouth.


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LoL so proud arr? icon_rolleyes.gif he just didn't push his Civic harder than the Sawi lah...

and he was thinking: wtf this Sawi want to show off with my Civic??Get Lost la..

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Aug 14 2006, 05:19 PM)
well, today my friend got his savvy, he was satisfied with it, according to him, it is less fuel consuming than iswara, is it true?
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Maybe is new thats why. But once the run period is done it should be way better than the iswara. My civic 1.6 SOHC VTEC FC is same or sometimes better than 1.3 Iswara manual. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Aug 14 2006, 05:19 PM)
well, today my friend got his savvy, he was satisfied with it, according to him, it is less fuel consuming than iswara, is it true?
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You must remember for clumsy-foot driver, carburator consume a lot of fuel.



I think hypermount too happy with using Savvy overtake Civic'06. Remember Savvy has lighter body and would be anytime zippier than Civic'06. I also expect Ferrari loose to you as the Ferrari driver can't afford to trash his car. Just take your Savvy touge with another Savvy on downhill more fair like that. If you pass him, that means his Savvy have lousier setups or defects?!


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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Aug 14 2006, 07:15 PM)
You must remember for clumsy-foot driver, carburator consume a lot of fuel.
I think hypermount too happy with using Savvy overtake Civic'06. Remember Savvy has lighter body and would be anytime zippier than Civic'06. I also expect Ferrari loose to you as the Ferrari driver can't afford to trash his car. Just take your Savvy touge with another Savvy on downhill more fair like that. If you pass him, that means his Savvy have lousier setups or defects?!
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Well... He's probably proud to be a savvy owner rclxms.gif . Even though i don't really like savvy design but i think it's quite a tough car for it's class. i'm not sure bout the performance though coz i havent even sat in that car nor tested the car b4. Many ppl doesnt really expect much from a savvy due to the price they're paying for n even some reviews from their frens or other ppl. Maybe bcoz of that when the car performs better n it's slightly above their expectations they feel happy n satisfy with their rides. Well as for the review about savvy smoked an civic EK(sorry bro he din meant the 06 civic, he meant the 6th gen) i think the writer did wrote it abit too 'over' or so called 'lebih'. Not that it's impossible to do it but i believe that the civic wasnt really in the rush or in the mood of racing with a savvy? Or maybe the writer should come out with a review about a savvy drifting on the way to genting? Maybe the great nissan fairlady will lose to a savvy? Fast n furious' 4th episode will have savvy drifting in Tokyo? icon_rolleyes.gif
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renault engine confirm got problem later on....put AMT...going to be bad to worst in five years time.........the reanult enjine drinks more fuel than any other proton.....this is from myvi,perdana,accord and renault same owner...>>> rclxms.gif arsenal..i think so far.....myvi is the better than renualt 1.8 (injection) many many times...
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Aug 14 2006, 10:50 PM)
Guys, dont spark fire with fire. sweat.gif
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man, this is getting out of control sweat.gif
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QUOTE(arsenal @ Aug 14 2006, 10:38 PM)
renault engine confirm got problem later on....put AMT...going to be bad to worst in five years time.........the reanult enjine drinks more fuel than any other proton.....this is from myvi,perdana,accord and renault same owner...>>> rclxms.gif arsenal..i think so far.....myvi is the better than renualt 1.8 (injection) many many times...
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compairing 1.8 with 1.3
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