ToGo......last night i think i played a game with you.......
you were using VS right? Going for deso build right?
Good character control, but still need a little tweaking for micro......overall nice game
but i think you should've gone S&Y build instead.......your health still a bit on the low side.....

Game On.....

My VS Build:

a) Wraith x2
b) BoS
c) RoB
d) S&Y
e) Crystalys > Burize

VS can be very deadly.

Hi xtr4, Yaya. I remember I see your name at the game.
But can't recall is which game.
You are on my team or opponent team?
Which hero you are using ?
How is the game result, win or lose?

My DOTA life just 1 month only.
There is still alot of heros I don't understand their power and ultimate.
Thats y I use to die stupidly.

I din really go learn micro creep kill yet. My last hit no good.
Thats y abit money problem.
I din use S&Y due to expensive.
Of cos I got try this build as well. After on S&Y, my VS stronger and can survive longer is true.
But lack damage. A bit hard to kill.
As team support is good, but still lack damage to be killer.

I try go for deso is bcos deso cheap. . Damage is between S&Y and Burize.
And I don't understand that just feel my attack speed become faster after getting deso.
My next game i will try on 3 Bracer with deso. See rather will change the outcome or not.

This post has been edited by ToGo: May 22 2006, 09:16 AM

you play where? bs3, bnet or lancraft.

HiHi,

I play on blue server.
Usually on weekend.
Normal day the most will play 1 game only due to work.
Friday,Saturday and Sunday will see me more.
ToGo is my id as well.
Can add me

@ssnakel

Malaysia's Favourite Server

@ToGo

I was on opponent (Sentinel), you were Scourge side.
I randomed SA My team won

But i think S&Y easier to get than Deso, here's my points:
S&Y
Ogre Axe (1000) + Belt of Giant Str (450) + Scroll (600) = 2050 (Gives HP, Maim Ability)
Blade of Alacrity (1000) + Boots of Elvenskin (450) + Scroll (600) = 2050 (Gives Dmg, Atack Speed, Move Speed)
S&Y Scroll = 1000 (Improves Sange and Yasha abilities)

Deso
Mithril Hammer = 1610 (Dmg Only)
Mithril Hammer = 1610 (Dmg Only)
Scroll = 1500 (-6 armor reduction)

But to complement Deso build, you're gonna need bracers for HP:
Bracer = 510 x 2 = 1020

Given the above, that's why i recommend S&Y to you for easier farming because you don't have to save up to 1610 for the hammers. In the S&Y build, the most you need is 1000 to start buying items and enjoying the benefits.

Just my 2 sens

VS keep on become weaker and weaker.
Cannot use dagger, cannot swap creap, low movement speed and low attack speed compare to version5.

VS already cannot use dagger. The hp very low. Now they further diable VS creap swap. This mean asking VS go to hell only.
Is not fair. No where for VS to escape in this case.
Making VS can only walk with teammate at mid to late game.
Swap, the most useless ulti in DOTA although it looks cool.

Compare to Naga siren, can web ppl so long, equal to stun.
Can do 1.5x damage critical hit.
Can create 3 shadow, making ppl cannot stun you, and also ppl cannot hit u bcos dunno which is true. Besides, all shadow also do damage.
Do not afraid gang bang use to the sleep ulti. So, can go solo anytime.


If they really to reduce the ability of VS, naga siren totally is the must la. So far I fear naga siren most compare to anti magic and Narubian Assasin.

lesrac>naga

all his 4 skills are pain for naga

Naga is weak to harass early game.....VS can still hold her own.........
If you already know the weaknesses of the hero, try to find counters to overcome these setbacks......because your opponent sure will exploit.......

want support..? make aegis or bkb la....then only go for dmg items...swt

if u cant get dagger or swap creep, make lothar for escape purpose and it increase ur dmg as well.
Keep in mind AGI increase attack spd, increase armor

YA. I know lothar edge suit VS. But the damage gain is not so obvious compare to deso. It also don't have add in hp like s&y provided.
To kill ppl, u need to stand in front and face them. lother edge not really help alot in such way unless u use sneak and ks like what bone and sa do. But I am sure VS not to build up to play this way. Ur team mate might need to stun to support for team fight. So higher hp needed to stay u longer to support the team.

y only think of dmg dmg dmg....=_="
if u use ur skills wisely....can kill ppl without running, swapping, lothar edge-ing.....
=_="

No. I just need the damage to kill. That all.
I din say that I can't kill.
I just trying to come out a set of build suit me most.
Lother edge is useless when some1 in team or opposite team playing invisible hero or bomb. Usually they play those hero, I wont invest on lother edge.

Last nite just try S & Y and bracer, wow, cool. This should be the build I want.

OMG you gotta be kidding haha. What's NOT good about an invisible duo of gb-ers? =_=

What so good about lothar Edge, is just windwalk.
If ppl playing invisible, ward are all the way. If ppl wanna gb you, if i were them, i will put ward at ur escape path , no way for u to run. Moreover come even carry gem. Maybe you windwalk u tough u already safe, but actually SA with gem is still aftering you but u can't see him. So if that situation, personally think la haha, we just have discussion Better invest on health or damage item more worth.

This post has been edited by ToGo: May 23 2006, 01:36 PM

Again, so wrong. LE gives an AGI boost to those playing VS. I've not used LE build on VS so I might not know. BUt to each his/her own. Thank you very muchy. =_=

IMHO it's a little psychology play as well. If you know your opponent is an SA or Bone, you'd auto buy wards but for VS no one would get it to counter her. Use that to your advantage, and you can maybe get coupla kills before they realise how dangerous a WW-king VS is. After that, you can sell the LE if you dislike it so much. XD

This post has been edited by Suet: May 23 2006, 01:59 PM

Haha WW-king VS. I like this term.
Yaya. I know LE provide Age giv VS speed and damage.
But if to compare, SnY and Deso much better.
For me, what I trying to say that is buy which 1st level3 or level4 weapon 1st.
Cos 1st weapon always to decide the result of the game.
I do not disagree that after getting SnY, then get LE. But most of the time u havent complete LE , already GG.
As I know, VS with LE is create in Battlenet by a foreigner and bring into Blue Server. Is a pretty famous tactic.

If to manage WW VS well, you need some practise on bone , sa or gondor. See how they use WW to backstab.
Else for ppl not use to WW, even got LE, in team battle also forgot to use. haha. Happen to me several time also.

This post has been edited by ToGo: May 23 2006, 03:31 PM

personally i dun like deso, its not worth the cash & its countered so easily (get armor)