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post Jun 21 2013, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Jun 21 2013, 07:27 PM)
If Puchong Asia Cafe, I can drag my car out. If Sri Petaling, I think it's too far to drive with damaged drive train.
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drag too much lettew drive train rosak

QUOTE(dares @ Jun 21 2013, 07:31 PM)
The compression ratio is only half the story. The Mazda Skyactiv engine runs on 13:1 but still drink RON95. There are other factors as well as to how low a RON the engine can tolerate  nod.gif
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post Jun 21 2013, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 21 2013, 07:31 PM)
The compression ratio is only half the story. The Mazda Skyactiv engine runs on 13:1 but still drink RON95. There are other factors as well as to how low a RON the engine can tolerate  nod.gif
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Tks a meg, Bro... notworthy.gif

Feel me need 2read up more 2replace/update those ole skool theories in this ole RAM pack... sweat.gif
ATM all me kno is that the ignition timing has 2b changed 2prevent the pre-ignition detonation of the compressed lower octane fuel mix...
Me was told that when 97 became premium fuel & 95 replaced it...and my ole gen saga need min 97 2run w/o knocking... tongue.gif

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post Jun 21 2013, 08:02 PM

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Improving the air-fuel mixture allows the Skyactive to use high compression. Multi hole injectors, higher injector pressure for better air-fuel mix.
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post Jun 21 2013, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Jun 21 2013, 07:46 PM)
Tks a meg, Bro...  notworthy.gif

Feel me need 2read up more 2replace/update those ole skool theories in this ole RAM pack...  sweat.gif
ATM all me kno is that the ignition timing has 2b changed 2prevent the pre-ignition detonation of the compressed lower octane fuel mix...
Me was told that when 97 became premium fuel & 95 replaced it...and my ole gen saga need min 97 2run w/o knocking... tongue.gif
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You are not wrong in any counts, actually. Compression ratio is still a major factor and a very important guide as to what fuel to use. But technology has advanced in a way that it is possible to build high compression engines that uses low RON petrol and are more efficient icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Jun 21 2013, 04:01 PM)
must check this out. but in my understanding MOST cars except those with very high compression rates and meant for racing can use Ron91 and above.

Just check Singapore. They have Ron 92, 95 and 98 on sale. And most of their cars are the latest in the market.

in Thailand, Unleaded Premium is Ron95 and it is expensive like hell.  Gasohol is Ron95. and they have Ron91. Car rental company in Phuket recommended I pump Ron91 only for the Vios I rented last 2 years ago when I was in Phuket.

In America there is stil Ron88 or 89..forgot liao....

My honest opinion, Malaysian drivers have been cheated to use high Ron for nothing.... only because korupland gomen want to increase price they phase out Ron92 and come out with Ron95 with of course immediate price increase! Then feed us with propoganda that Ron97 is premium so all of us pay ridiculous prices for our expensive petrols.
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QUOTE(Wikipedia)
B16B (Type R)
VTEC
Found in:
1997–2000 JDM Civic Type R[EK9]JDM
Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in)
Compression: 10.8:1
Bore: 81 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4 mm (3.0 in)
Rod/Stroke ratio: 1.84:1
Rod Length: 142.42 mm (5.6 in)
Power: 185 hp (138 kW) @ 8200 rpm & 118 lb·ft (160 N·m) @ 7500 rpm
Redline: 8400 rpm
Rev-limit: 9000 rpm
Transmission:S4C With Helical LSD (4.4 final drive, dual-synchromesh on 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears)
VTEC engagement @ 6500 rpm
ECU code: PCT
OBD-2B
Note: This engine uses the same block as the Integra Type R (B18C5), which is taller than the B16a block (by approx 17 mm), but with a crank the same stroke as the b16a. It uses longer rods to accommodate for this, which is why the Rod/Stroke ratio is higher than a standard B16.


10.1:1 is consider high compression sleep.gif With this kinda setup, RON95 airfuel already can self ignite when piston reach the top of the block. Hence, Campor sohigh ECU did RETARD the ignition timing to accommodate the ping/detonation. When people tell you they pump RON97 dont get more horse powah is not their fault, cause the ECU can't sense detonation/ping, but also can't be certain if advance ignition timing will cause any harm to the car. In short:

If switch from RON97 to RON95, immediately you'll feel the engine retarded

If switch from RON95 to RON97, probably need a few more tanks before the ECU daring to retune the ignition timing back to normal.

In the end, what RON also can use. Just need to beware of the detonation. RON is an additive to RETARD the ignition point. Higher RON can mean more retarded flash point(also depending on the fuel type), on the otherhand, Natural Gas has a very low flash point, hence it need higher RON to avoid the NGV tank from explosion by the heat under sunlight.
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post Jun 21 2013, 08:43 PM

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siapa dah sampai oit
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QUOTE(Manlet @ Jun 21 2013, 08:43 PM)
siapa dah sampai oit
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 21 2013, 08:35 PM)
10.1:1 is consider high compression sleep.gif With this kinda setup, RON95 airfuel already can self ignite when piston reach the top of the block. Hence, Campor sohigh ECU did RETARD the ignition timing to accommodate the ping/detonation. When people tell you they pump RON97 dont get more horse powah is not their fault, cause the ECU can't sense detonation/ping, but also can't be certain if advance ignition timing will cause any harm to the car. In short:

If switch from RON97 to RON95, immediately you'll feel the engine retarded

If switch from RON95 to RON97, probably need a few more tanks before the ECU daring to retune the ignition timing back to normal.

In the end, what RON also can use. Just need to beware of the detonation. RON is an additive to RETARD the ignition point. Higher RON can mean more retarded flash point(also depending on the fuel type), on the otherhand, Natural Gas has a very low flash point, hence it need higher RON to avoid the NGV tank from explosion by the heat under sunlight.
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Hi Bro YAB! notworthy.gif

Tks a meg 4abv clarification!! thumbup.gif

Btw do Campros 4BLM/FL hv such knock sensors so that the ECUs can adjust the ign timing accordingly?
When lower/higher RON fuel is used?
Or only newer FLXs hv...?

TQVM in adv. notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by zeone: Jun 21 2013, 09:14 PM
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post Jun 21 2013, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Jun 21 2013, 06:50 PM)
Hi Bro... notworthy.gif
Campro 1.3L has compression ratio of 10:1  tongue.gif

Probly dat's why by using RON 97 or a mix of 95/97 gives a smoother (?) & quieter (?) engine...?  whistling.gif

So if Govt changes 95 to 91, a similar mix wld help our stock Campro...?  hmm.gif

ps. Since 97 price drop, me hv started mix of roughly 3 parts 95 with 1 part 97...
Any Bro has tried similar mixes?
Pls share...TQ!!  notworthy.gif
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i just happenned to pump Rm30 Vpower Racing and topped up with Ron95.

The Rm30 was redemption with Bonuslink points....

Drive as per normal, see if FC km per litre has any improvements?
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post Jun 21 2013, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Jun 21 2013, 09:13 PM)
Hi Bro YAB!  notworthy.gif

Tks a meg 4abv clarification!!  thumbup.gif

Btw do Campros 4BLM/FL hv such knock sensors so that the ECUs can adjust the ign timing accordingly?
When lower/higher RON fuel is used?
Or only newer FLXs hv...?

TQVM in adv.  notworthy.gif
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Yes, has knock sensors.
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Sorry guys, won't turn up for today's TT. I'm tired already
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post Jun 21 2013, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Jun 21 2013, 09:21 PM)
i just happenned to pump Rm30 Vpower Racing and topped up with Ron95.

The Rm30 was redemption with Bonuslink points....

Drive as per normal, see if FC km per litre has any improvements?
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Hi Bro... notworthy.gif
Yr mix is of much higher proportion than mine lo...
Also me only use both RON of Petronas...

Pls do keep us updated on yr experimentation... thumbup.gif

QUOTE(mengsuan @ Jun 21 2013, 09:37 PM)
Yes, has knock sensors.
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TQVM Bro, 4info!! thumbup.gif notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by zeone: Jun 21 2013, 09:49 PM
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post Jun 21 2013, 09:54 PM

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ps. In my 2 fill-ups of such a mix, there was no significant improvement in FC, with mainly HiWay drives...
Mayb juz a smoother engine? tongue.gif
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Anyone got good workshop recommendation for suspension/drivetrain?
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Another Cinderella TT for me brows.gif

Thanks to GorillaLew, Garybenjamin, Maxwell6635 and and manlet for letting me molest their cars wub.gif

BTW r3apers, I know why you complain my rear seats uncomfortable liao....you didn't lift up the headrest so it kept poking your back laugh.gif

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I miss having roti canai when tt .
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 22 2013, 12:57 AM)
Another Cinderella TT for me brows.gif

Thanks to GorillaLew, Garybenjamin, Maxwell6635 and and manlet for letting me molest their cars wub.gif

BTW r3apers, I know why you complain my rear seats uncomfortable liao....you didn't lift up the headrest so it kept poking your back laugh.gif

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Not abt the headrest, if i sit straight my sholuder cannot rest at ur cushion. As i prefer my shoulder sticking at the cushion. Ox
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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Jun 21 2013, 10:53 AM)
ckdenion u coming mou ?
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Jun 22 2013, 01:43 AM)
now baru c dis post... yawn.gif
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lols...

btw... sorry davidke20 for dragging in front of u... thanks ckdenion for coming and bring the +5hp mod to me ~ thanks manlet and dares let me try their car ~ and thanks to all that come to TT ~ biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Jun 22 2013, 01:47 AM)
lols...

btw... sorry davidke20 for dragging in front of u... thanks ckdenion for coming and bring the +5hp mod to me ~ thanks manlet and dares let me try their car ~ and thanks to all that come to TT ~ biggrin.gif
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what 5hp mod

i didnt saw also rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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