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zeone
post Jun 20 2013, 06:23 PM

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Hi Everybody!! notworthy.gif

Yup, me still arnd... brows.gif
And, of course, Congratz & thks a meg 2TS 4keeping Gaga thread alive & growing strong!!
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And yup, the place 2b 4Gaga luvers!! wub.gif
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post Jun 20 2013, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 20 2013, 08:35 PM)
Sometimes I see those comments about Gaga on FnF, dunno if they are driving the same car as we are/did, especially the recent popularity of Gaga related threads the past few days due to the launch of the SV.

I don't butthurt those who comment on the downsides, you and I know what the car is and what are the weaknesses, but some comments are really  rclxub.gif
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Hi Bro...notworthy.gif

Re such ppl, BEST response is NO response! rclxms.gif
We wub.gif our Gagas...they don't!
We accept Gagas' shortcomings...they, however, live in their own dreamworld. ..
Period.
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post Jun 21 2013, 11:23 AM

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Good morning, Everybody!! notworthy.gif

Another wkend is here! thumbup.gif
However HAZE is also here... rclxub.gif

So do TC of yr health by using yr Gaga's strong feature/advantage (namely yr Gaga's aircon) fully...with a good clean cabin filter! tongue.gif

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post Jun 21 2013, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Jun 21 2013, 02:27 PM)
found this in fb...
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Juz chk-ed User Manual Pg 52...
States Fuel shld b RON 95 OR HIGHER...

So...can our Gagas enjoy RON 91..? rclxub.gif

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post Jun 21 2013, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Jun 21 2013, 03:18 PM)
No ~ Piston will melt in few months (if continuous using)
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Yu sure, Bro?
Thot our Gaga punya ECU intelligent wan... tongue.gif
Can detect knocking AND re-calibrate ign timing 2accomodate lower octane rated fuel... whistling.gif
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post Jun 21 2013, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Jun 21 2013, 03:25 PM)
ECU intelligent got what use? the problem is with the piston material ~
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Like dat huh? doh.gif
Then our Gagas gonna be drinking "Sp Brew" liao...hehe...cheers.gif
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post Jun 21 2013, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(garybenjamin @ Jun 21 2013, 04:30 PM)
It is not really ~ as u can see nowadays our car's compression ratio was set above 8.0:1 hence minimum acceptable rate for RON is 95 with AKI 90 minutes ~ ... or else have to add variable valve timing, knock sensors to delay ignition timing to protect our engine ~

and It is possible to manufacture gasoline engines with compression ratios of over 11:1 that can use 87 (MON + RON)/2 (octane rating) fuel with the addition of variable valve timing and knock sensors to delay ignition timing. Such engines may not produce their full rated power using 87 octane gasoline under all circumstances, due to the delayed ignition timing.

So that is why i said higher RON is better especially for stock engine ~
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Campro 1.3L has compression ratio of 10:1 tongue.gif

Probly dat's why by using RON 97 or a mix of 95/97 gives a smoother (?) & quieter (?) engine...? whistling.gif

So if Govt changes 95 to 91, a similar mix wld help our stock Campro...? hmm.gif

ps. Since 97 price drop, me hv started mix of roughly 3 parts 95 with 1 part 97...
Any Bro has tried similar mixes?
Pls share...TQ!! notworthy.gif

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post Jun 21 2013, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 21 2013, 07:31 PM)
The compression ratio is only half the story. The Mazda Skyactiv engine runs on 13:1 but still drink RON95. There are other factors as well as to how low a RON the engine can tolerate  nod.gif
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Tks a meg, Bro... notworthy.gif

Feel me need 2read up more 2replace/update those ole skool theories in this ole RAM pack... sweat.gif
ATM all me kno is that the ignition timing has 2b changed 2prevent the pre-ignition detonation of the compressed lower octane fuel mix...
Me was told that when 97 became premium fuel & 95 replaced it...and my ole gen saga need min 97 2run w/o knocking... tongue.gif

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post Jun 21 2013, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 21 2013, 08:35 PM)
10.1:1 is consider high compression sleep.gif With this kinda setup, RON95 airfuel already can self ignite when piston reach the top of the block. Hence, Campor sohigh ECU did RETARD the ignition timing to accommodate the ping/detonation. When people tell you they pump RON97 dont get more horse powah is not their fault, cause the ECU can't sense detonation/ping, but also can't be certain if advance ignition timing will cause any harm to the car. In short:

If switch from RON97 to RON95, immediately you'll feel the engine retarded

If switch from RON95 to RON97, probably need a few more tanks before the ECU daring to retune the ignition timing back to normal.

In the end, what RON also can use. Just need to beware of the detonation. RON is an additive to RETARD the ignition point. Higher RON can mean more retarded flash point(also depending on the fuel type), on the otherhand, Natural Gas has a very low flash point, hence it need higher RON to avoid the NGV tank from explosion by the heat under sunlight.
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Tks a meg 4abv clarification!! thumbup.gif

Btw do Campros 4BLM/FL hv such knock sensors so that the ECUs can adjust the ign timing accordingly?
When lower/higher RON fuel is used?
Or only newer FLXs hv...?

TQVM in adv. notworthy.gif

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post Jun 21 2013, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Jun 21 2013, 09:21 PM)
i just happenned to pump Rm30 Vpower Racing and topped up with Ron95.

The Rm30 was redemption with Bonuslink points....

Drive as per normal, see if FC km per litre has any improvements?
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Yr mix is of much higher proportion than mine lo...
Also me only use both RON of Petronas...

Pls do keep us updated on yr experimentation... thumbup.gif

QUOTE(mengsuan @ Jun 21 2013, 09:37 PM)
Yes, has knock sensors.
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post Jun 21 2013, 09:54 PM

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ps. In my 2 fill-ups of such a mix, there was no significant improvement in FC, with mainly HiWay drives...
Mayb juz a smoother engine? tongue.gif
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post Jun 22 2013, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(king_lover23 @ Jun 22 2013, 10:02 PM)
I ady mentioned this issue to SC this morning when service my car...
They jet up my car, and I just look around and saw this..
They claimed it is normal bcox the exhaust is hot and when kena water,
it will become rusted..

ur car got this ? hmm.gif
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Hi Bro... notworthy.gif
Not2worry...only surface rust nia...no prob wan... tongue.gif
Yr silencer KO time that seemingly rusted pc still ok wan... brows.gif
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If yu want it looking nice & pretty, juz sand it down & spray/paint with aluminium paint.. thumbup.gif
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post Jun 24 2013, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Jun 24 2013, 04:12 PM)
muar API has dropped, but klang valley mia API has increased.  doh.gif
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QUOTE(billy520 @ Jun 24 2013, 04:17 PM)
penang has increased too  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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Normal course of events lo...follow wind direction unless got changes in wind direction &/rain...

TC of yrselves lo...b prepared...

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post Jun 24 2013, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Jun 24 2013, 02:45 PM)
anyone want in for stiff ring bulk ? more than 10 ppl only got 10% discount...
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If wanna save more...a suggestion here...

If do Bulk purchase, for 10 ppl, savings of RM11/pax.
So 10 x RM11 = RM110...

Suggest do Bulk Installation instead...
So 10 x RM30 each = RM300!!! rclxm9.gif

Frankly, install is simple only for our Gagas...only 2 points....
Kacang only if can get access 2use an Air Gun Wrench....

Any capable Bro arnd...?

Or can get services @any friendly service station wkshop/lone ranger mech, etc?
Juz abt 10 mins per Gaga only!! brows.gif

Yu Bros decide lo...

Juz a suggestion nia... tongue.gif
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post Jun 24 2013, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 24 2013, 08:30 PM)
The seller should be able to hook you up with a workshop nearest to you who can install them. I think that's what they did for zeone who's from the northern states.

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Juz for all Bros' info, me din get 2use their dealer/appointed mech here...kinda tarik harga @that time... sweat.gif

So me got local authorised SC mech 2install 4me!
Actually only asked for RM10 nia... <10 min work nia... brows.gif
But cos CNY season, me gave "red packet" of RM20... tongue.gif
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post Jun 24 2013, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ Jun 24 2013, 09:33 PM)
pos ma...then hu gonna install it if buy blink.gif
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Me feel sure yu hv/kno a frenly mech (even better if he knows nuts abt Stiff Rings!)...

Juz need 2show him steps 2do so & he'll appreciate yr passing over such knowledge 2him... thumbup.gif
Fyi steps are very simple nia... rclxms.gif
No worries...
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post Jun 24 2013, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jun 24 2013, 09:54 PM)
bro,he was saying the turbo kit,not the stiff ring.... sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Oh? My bad...din trace back earlier posts lo... sweat.gif
Sincere apologies, Bros... notworthy.gif
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post Jun 24 2013, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jun 24 2013, 10:09 PM)
eh,no need sorry la brother,no1 is wrong here wei....... sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Tks a meg, Bro! For saying that... notworthy.gif

I sincerely believe a mistake was made & it's juz simple courtesy & respect 2say "Sorry" lo... smile.gif

Btw if me were with yu guys, we cld easily form a "loose" kinda Co-op of Bros...
Juz 4simple cost saving, no risk (esp 4Gagas or services not covered by warranty) ops...
Eg OCIs, Disc Pad/other simple replacement items, present Stiff Ring installation, etc, etc.

$$$ saved cld go2 a common pool 4FOC TTs or accessories (or useful purposes/benefits) 4all Contributors...etc.

Mayb yu Bros can follow up on abv suggestion? tongue.gif

ps. As an eg... For Stiff Ring install, if each Bro juz pay RM 10, there wld hv been a collection of RM100 for bulk of 10 Bros!! And each Bro wld hv saved RM20 each!! True? rolleyes.gif

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post Jun 24 2013, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 24 2013, 10:31 PM)
Actually, now ayam thinking of this hmm.gif
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Wow, Bro YAB!! Yu do hv very high ambitions... rclxm9.gif
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post Jun 25 2013, 06:58 AM

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Hi & Good morning, Everybody! notworthy.gif

Hope every1 Zzz well...
So wld b cool on the roads 2day... thumbup.gif

Hope Haze not much worse...
Health shld alwaz b TOP priority...

Hope yr Gaga serving yu well...
Take yu fr A to B in reasonable comfort & most importantly, safely...

Hv a great day!!
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