Hi all sifus,

Kindly discuss the below:

1) Whether landed property in future will skyrocket since so many condos are being built.

2) Will condos be our main home in the future?

for me personally, i m not so bullish on condos.

Landed already expensive in klang valley.

The more reason to buy landed in KV rather than high rise. There are some landed that are not yet fully showing the true potential. I.e: kajang and semenyih

This post has been edited by AMINT: Jun 8 2013, 09:10 PM

According to latest survey...

Condos will be more preferred by new generation. Interim of safety and scarce of land in prime area...

Landed will slowly be replace by high-rises.

That is why more condo needed... Landed will only those like superlink and bangalore be built in future trend...

I personally think if high rise goes up in price, landed will be higher immediately. We have this culture of mostly everybody wants to settle down in a landed house. Seldom (not all) i hear people wanna settle in high rise until die. Most malaysians want to even have bungalows. If cannot get, semi d also ok. If cannot get superlink also ok. If cannot get, link also ok. I believe high rise is still considered a stepping stone for a person before moving into a landed prop. Until our land is too populated, this will be the trend

Check out bangsar and near MK for landed and tell me which is more expensive. Landed or high rise. Please compare apple to apple

condo is lifestyle??
i dun like condo coz:
1. no place for drying clothes. sun light is good for clothes (uv killed germ)
2. limited space for storage; compare to landed, can store extra stuffs at 2nd flr. not an eyesore
3. no wet kitchen, very oily n smokes
4. can't hold party or big gathering at door step
5. if u forgot something u need to travel far n take lift
6. limited car parks. ( u can park many cars outside of your landed house; inside or outside, everyday)
7. not good for children

High rise apartment does not need a big plot of land to built...less than 10 acre also can built.

Land is also getting expensive and scarce in prime areas such as Subang, PJ, KL, Puchong...

That's the reason why no much landed property launched in the prime areas anymore.

Based on Supply and Demand theory, I am more positive on the land properties in term future capital appreciation.

It is a no brainer if high rise becomes expensive, landed will become more expensive. If the landed has clubhouse and g&g even even more expensive. Although this is not a 100% fair comparison, u can see this happening in hong kong, singapore or even istanbul if u wanna compare.

This post has been edited by AMINT: Jun 8 2013, 10:11 PM

The value surely landed is on upper hand no need to argue about this but if less family member i will opt to live in condo as easier to clean, maintaining the unit is cheper, safer and have facilities.

I totally agreed with you. With high rise maintenance cost will be a problem...and bear in mind...this cost will keep increasing and u will have to pay for the rest of your life as long as your staying there....

Its true. My fren and oso my bosses's investment partner, a very well known household producer, vacant his own bungalow and bot a 3k+ mk condo with expensive reno. Condo 1.8mil + reno & furniture fitting 1.2mil. Ended up lived there 2 yrs and decided to rebuild the bungalow. Then moved back to bungalow. Reason being, tua liao. Mau jalan jauh dr car park ke rumah sebenarnya bukan senang sangat.

Who cares bout condo lifestyle when there is beta life in bungalow. Not every1 fancy condo life. Afterall not many ll benefit fr all the sauna or pool or gym etc etc.

Not every one has the purchasing power for landed especially landed is getting more expensive. So no choice, buy condo, especially those young couple.

Because farther lokasi lo

Landed property in good location such as PJ, Subang, Bangsar also got...In the subsales market with expensive price tags and old facade/ structure. Extensive renovation may be required+Not gated and guarded so more.

I agree.
People also have to understand. A building (condo or double storey link) cannot last very long. I think above 50 years, you start to worry about the structural integrity. The wiring, pipes, the structure etc. will give way eventually, unless maintained and monitored meticulously ( I am not talking just new painting). A landed property's building may give way, but people are willing to build another house on the land. But for condo, you don't have the flexibility.

By the way just curious - what is the oldest condo in Klang Valley, Penang still popular with investors/owners?

New landed will sell higher & higher...

Old freehold landed @ superb location will sell higher & higher...

Yield will be super low.

Ya lor. If u compare 30 years old house in subang jaya vs another 30 years old high rise, most likely the high rise will now look like shit and nobody wanna stay there. Landed ones people usually renovate to look like current styling if they can afford.

I move from condo to landed bcoz landed can hv pets. Btw, just bear iin mind tht sub sale landed properties are more easy to get finance from banker points of view.

agreed the pipes wont last more than 50 years. even USA biggest pipes producer (JM Eagle) only dare to guarantee up to 50 years ONLY.
http://www.jmeagle.com/

compare to so many curi ayam producers in malaysia, i think the pipes can only last less than 50 years. so what happen if the sewage pipes burst in condo?
btw, is there any condo or apartment in malaysia over 50 years?

then what is the point to have freehold condo, can the condo lasted more than 99 years?

IF management can maintain the whole condo very super good, maybe can last 20-30 years. But when u going to sell the property in freehold and leasehold, definitely the price of freehold is much expensive.

Big bungalow to maintain not easy, not many people staying very sunyi, condo at least u still can meet with people and neighboir

I m fearing that one day, if there is murder or robbery in one of the condo, all hell break lose. That murderer may live nearby and the whole condo residents are at high risk.

i think this is very much depends on the building management and the owner~~if the Management team and committee good + owner willing to pay for renovation then it should be jus fine~~

the apartment (used to be condo) i am staying is definitely more than 30 years old (approaching 40 maybe)...some serious repair and maintenance were conducted 5 (or is it 7) years ago... prices shot up...and ppl are buying~~it doesnt looks VERY nice~~but also not like the shit u mentioned~~ (NOTE: the 1 i am staying is NOT a low cost flat back in those days)

anyway...the problem is that...with so many renovation going around~~it is very noisy and annoying~~

hahaha~~good quote~~
thats y ppl prefer to buy higher floor~~the shit will still flow down~~and u should have less smell and problem~~

I do agree that after a number or years~~the telephone wiring and even the water piping will have problems~~
it occurs in the apartment i am renting now~~but anyway if u can use something for 50 years~~what else do u still wan to complain~~just replace it!!!

When there is demand, there is supply...

I believe most of the comments above were correct against each other.

It's another long story or debate with the questions of more condos built against lesser landed houses built ....

The main question share by TS was, with more condos built currently and coming years, will the landed is getting more expensive ...

Generally yes.

Yeah kinda agree with u. The bigger the house, the further apart the relationship for those living inside. Especially nowadays many love to build bungalow with big rooms which can fit a small tv area which means everyone watch tv in the room. No longer gather in living hall. So sad and it true cos I hav seen enuf of real life cases.

If everybody thinks like you guys then why are million ringgit condos still selling? Better buy a super link or even a semi d for that kind of money. I say landed is even "cheaper" if you count RM-psf as compare to condo.

To answer the question, of course landed prices will still increase. But so will condo prices.

Not everyone choose to live in landed props even when they can afford it. There's always the other side of the coin.
Some older couples seeing their children all grown up may opt for condo living instead as its easier to maintain.

All those condo vs landed arguments - to me both have equal pros and cons. It just depends on what you're looking for and which one suits your lifestyle more. There is no such thing as one > all.

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jun 9 2013, 07:21 AM

when the piping in condo were concealed, it is difficult to replaced.

million ringgit condo - it is still ok as other developer can buy enbloc the aged condo , tear it down and rebuild a new condo on the same freehold land (as in many countries eg singapore), if the condo locate in ulu ulu place then ur condo will be problems after >50 years and no one take over.

maybe u shud consider to buy landed if RM-psf is cheaper now. (same area i mean especially in downtown)

I think condo>landed(farther location) is comparing new launching.
If sub landed in prime location price will be > than sub condo already.

LOL I just sold my full G&G super-link for Rm405psf only. Nowadays apa leasehold condo far from city also around 500psf already. Go take a look at the crazy prices they are asking for verve suites at OKR

Anyway like I said earlier, what works for you may not work for others and vice versa.

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jun 9 2013, 10:35 AM

U guys Psf kira land size or build up?

Build up area.

This is not to offend anybody. I just did this research to share.
After a brief search, I found out about Bolton Court , a 12 storey condo built in the 70's that was demolished to build SixCeylon, a 33 storey luxury condo. In Jalan Bukit Ceylon, KL.
Any idea how the ex residents of Bolton Court made the deal / compensation? Were they offered a new unit?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=653976

This post has been edited by tigana: Jun 9 2013, 04:22 PM

if not mistaken, bolton court was fully owned by bolton before. no issue for that.

I see.
Bolton Court was developed by Bolton and then rented out.

a lot of old days developers like to hold their condominiums as for investment purpose. now they see the land value shoot up and redevelop the land for a better use.

This post has been edited by kh8668: Jun 9 2013, 04:41 PM

Skyrocket...no la...it's depend affordability in market also..income like apple(small) will no hv return for watermelon(big size).
How do you think for Hong Kong Economy & Population?in there,RM 3 million just buy 400 sq.ft apartment...here 3 million can buy bungalow..But their income is 10 times here.(normal exe level).
Did you think developer after 5 years will launch 3 million super link in KV by expecting people no afford to buy? there better built bungalow.
Condo sure be normal exe main home since no afford buy landed property.
Next 5 years,condo just be a hot cake for new generation to rent only.(they just rent room)..flip market investor will be sakit kepala. (imaging within this 5 years,car tax decrease but cost car material increase,petrol no subsidy & 7 % tax on every thing).

1.No
2.Yes.

Actually I prefer to settle in high rise. Haha

Personal preference. For me its easier to manage, and can be ID and renovated extensively in future for the same budget

But on the other hand, for value. Its better to stay in a landed and flip in future. Will earn more that way.



This post has been edited by Lcsx: Jun 10 2013, 11:14 AM

Totally agreed with you.

In terms of renovation, condo/apt much more lower. And prefer to settle in highrise when I am retired as dont expect to stay with children. But for time being, still prefer landed as can have pets.

Yeah me too

Condo's are getting more expensive and is still climbing, if drop will get a unit of good condo for old days

This post has been edited by natman: Jun 10 2013, 11:26 AM

I think landed better la.

1)landed, your kids can running here and they. cycling.
2)landed, you can growth your own organic vegi, papaya tree ( be healthy and save money)
3)landed, you can wash your car ( be healthy and save money)
4)landed, you can rganised some BBQ party
5) landed, you can let your kids play fireworks during CNY, Hari raya, etc
6)landed, you can let kids play tang long during mooncake festival ( culture remain)
7)landed, can have pets ( dogs, birds)
8)landed, you can cook those traditional kuih for CNY, hari raya, chinese tumpling
9)landed, you know your neighbor better
10) landed, you organised party ( weeding, birthday, company annual dinner...no problem)
11) landed, you can let your kids play badminton in front of house
12) landed , you can have your own fish pond.
13) landed, you can have your own small buz .

Given condo... some above is not possible.

This post has been edited by tikaram: Jun 10 2013, 12:12 PM

Hehe depends. If you buy selected condo especially mid high end ok.

1) Have large indoor garden to run around and even cycle.
2) X usually cannot. Just some herbs only in pots. Haha
3) Condo have designated washing spot actually. Well only hindrance is may sometimes its occupied by someone else
4) Aiyo. Condo have lotsa party places bro.
5) Can't play but can watch big fireworks. Hehe
6) Not cannot just restricted
7) X yeap landed is the way to go for this.
8) Well as long as your kitchen is not small can also la
9) X yeap, landed neighbour usually have more interaction
10) Can also la high rise. In fact condo might be better if you have a mid high end one
11) Got badminton court ma condo. But some of course don't have also la.
12) X yeap condo cannot
13) ??

Population grows but land will never grow (unless reclaim land la .. haha)

You can do all those in a condo like this -



Do you know there are some condos that you can even drive up to your unit door step like its a landed prop?

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jun 10 2013, 03:45 PM

Condo = Beer
Landed = Wine

Both also nice..

yes....

you have open my mind

Lol picture worth a thousand words.

Was at mk 28 if not mistaken have private lift wor

condo - got gym and swimming pool
house - got stray dogs, mat rwmpit

1. Its dangerous to let kids run around without parents supervision many kidnapping case unless is high end G&G housing area.
2. If want grow papaya maybe can curi curi plant a tree at a corner
3. Condo can wash car too and it's free water !!!
4. BBQ in condo with pool for kids and adult sound like good idea
5. Firework damn expensive leh i just bring my daughter to see enough
6. lantern still ok kua
7. Pets like dog is ok for toy breed less barking breed
8. Actually can do big cooking at yard but many dont do nowaday prefer to eat at restaurant, rest all fully booked during that time
9. I think live in condo and landed is same usually landed have problem with negihbour, becasue of pets, parking, renovation,
10. normally condo has area to do function right
11. kid can swim, gyn and sqush etc etc.
12. fish pond maintainance high buy those fiber is easier

LOL

In short either super condo or huge bungalow.

You nailed it

Mind to share which project os tis? The price?

Uptown Residences - http://www.uptownresidences.com.my/

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jun 10 2013, 08:58 PM

Tq boss

Maintenance fees will be huge if stay in this kind of condominium.

I like this one. BBQ in condo with pool sweetheart in bikini, beer, music and erotic.....

Kena pull ears baru tau

The price for this penthouse definitely can get two landed lol

Condo u get to see people wearing bikini everyday... fat slim young n old...
I went to a condo near KLCC, saw some chicks was sunbathing... this will not happen for malaysian girl ...

Then what msian girl usually do? Wear bikini then wear t-shirt?
I saw some from Middle East even worst!

This post has been edited by 37 Exposures: Jun 11 2013, 11:05 AM

st mary penthouse:
http://www.google.com.my/imgres?rlz=1C1CHL...27&tx=194&ty=66

parking at your doorstep:
http://www.google.com.my/imgres?rlz=1C1CHL...27&tx=164&ty=81

or hor about 2:
http://www.google.com.my/imgres?rlz=1C1CHL...26&tx=93&ty=118

gardening in condo:
http://www.google.com.my/imgres?rlz=1C1CHL...6&tx=131&ty=113

how about a pool and slide for your own use only?:
http://www.google.com.my/imgres?rlz=1C1CHL...25&tx=166&ty=89

https://www.google.com.my/search?q=super+co...52F%3B550%3B550

the rumoured most expensive condo in bolehland:
http://keehuachee.blogspot.com/2011/05/kls...50-million.html


This post has been edited by kochin: Jun 11 2013, 05:17 PM

The Middle East women, do they still wear the tudung when swimming ?

This post has been edited by puchongite: Jun 11 2013, 05:13 PM

Yes, some of them still wear it! All black!

Wonder how they dress in bed doin hesio hesio

Victoria Secret

1. kids can cycle, run at the car porch if big enuf.
3. it is very troublesome to wash car at condo, need drive here drive there. what if u forgot to bring something?? must remember to bring all barang each time to wash car. sometime feel lazy to do so and just send car to car wash centre..Also at landed, u can use motor pump/ power water jet to wash car anytime.
4. many condo not allow BBQ at pool afraid dirty the pool or they charge high fee for private function eg most of klcc condo
8. condo can not cook curry or dish with lot of smokes eg dodol or the neighbor will complain haha
10. function need to rent hall

in condo,

you need to park car in designated carpark. then take lift to your unit.

in landed,
just open your main gate. park, into your house.


now that is a BIG different.

Nowadays not many do big cook already unless go back to parents home and my parent all tapau already wahahahaha.
not bbq right beside but somewhere around there .
do function rent tent also have to pay leh better rent hall sure no worry of rainy day


The best in landed i can think off is parking direct in front and if has visitors also easier.

u need to check your condo house rule if they allow BBQ at common area and even far from pool. some jmb/mc tend to amend the house rule to restrict BBQ to keep clean and quite envi for the residences. many resi support this idea during AGM... i hv few condo kena

function - no need to rent tent la as visitors can stay at car porch + living hall + dining hall + kitchen for activities.. if rain go inside lor. i did this many times