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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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EddyLB
post Jun 8 2013, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 8 2013, 02:58 PM)
The issue with current property hype is many of flippers are ill afford to pay installment or interest payment, and very likely will cause the next property crash.
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Bro, BNM is extremely strict nowadays. If your income cannot justify the loan amount, your application will be thrown out. There are so many rejected cases since late last year.

I agree it is a concern if banks are allowed to simply give out loan. But now they are worried about NPL. So the situation is not like the banks are blindly giving out loans to people who are not eligible.

And I agree people should not buy beyond their financial ability for the sake of owning properties. That is dangerous.

From your replies to various post above, I agree that you should not buy any property now. At least you will sleep a lot better. Maybe you should wait for the price to come down 1 day. And buy only when you are comfortable
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post Jun 8 2013, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin2080 @ Jun 8 2013, 09:44 AM)

1. Inflation are good reason for property price jump.
2. Demand especially the city like Selangor, KL, JB and Penang.
    1. Most of the children nowaday dun like to stay with family.
    2. If Malaysia political are stable then investor will come and foreigner will increase (but it's very disappointed to say that crime are increase day to day... haiz)
3. Malaysia location are strategic compare to other country and it's suitable to stay (no Scourge).
4. Malaysia property price are still affordable compare to other country. Affordable mean that malaysian still manage to pay for housing loan. for those people which got RM 3k and aim for semi-D then are different story.
5. If crash, then share market will start to crash first compare to Property. When Property are crash and i believe whole malaysia economic will have problem. In that time, if you have money u also need to think whether it's suitable time to buy property or not? Maybe that time u more worry the company to fire u ... tongue.gif

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Investing property in China, U.S., Canada, Australia, U.K., Singapore, H.K., Thailand and Jakarta yield a better return and has lower risk.


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post Jun 8 2013, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 8 2013, 07:43 PM)
Investing property in China, U.S., Canada, Australia, U.K., Singapore, H.K., Thailand and Jakarta yield a better return and has lower risk.
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By all means, pls go ahead and invest overseas.
Or if you prefer, dabble into forex or equities or precious metals.
Pick your poison.
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post Jun 8 2013, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 8 2013, 07:43 PM)
Investing property in China, U.S., Canada, Australia, U.K., Singapore, H.K., Thailand and Jakarta yield a better return and has lower risk.
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Thailand, Indonesia, China lower risk???
Initially I thought u don't kno abt MK prop......
Then I realize u don't kno abt prop.......
Now I realize u don't kno abt your direction......
The end.
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post Jun 8 2013, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 8 2013, 09:27 PM)
Thailand, Indonesia, China lower risk???
Initially I thought u don't kno abt MK prop......
Then I realize u don't kno abt prop.......
Now I realize u don't kno abt your direction......
The end.
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post Jun 8 2013, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jun 8 2013, 09:11 PM)
By all means, pls go ahead and invest overseas.
Or if you prefer, dabble into forex or equities or precious metals.
Pick your poison.
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Choices available to foreigners before they invest in Malaysia.

Incidentally, as GBP is cheaper than in the last few years, for Malaysian buying in Britain could have double gain.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jun 8 2013, 10:07 PM
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post Jun 8 2013, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 8 2013, 09:27 PM)
Thailand, Indonesia, China lower risk???
Initially I thought u don't kno abt MK prop......
Then I realize u don't kno abt prop.......
Now I realize u don't kno abt your direction......
The end.
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Suggest you make a visit to Bangkok, any major city in China and Jakarta on property investment before you rule them out.

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post Jun 8 2013, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 8 2013, 07:42 PM)
Bro, BNM is extremely strict nowadays. If your income cannot justify the loan amount, your application will be thrown out. There are so many rejected cases since late last year.

I agree it is a concern if banks are allowed to simply give out loan. But now they are worried about NPL. So the situation is not like the banks are blindly giving out loans to people who are not eligible.

And I agree people should not buy beyond their financial ability for the sake of owning properties. That is dangerous.

From your replies to various post above, I agree that you should not buy any property now. At least you will sleep a lot better. Maybe you should wait for the price to come down 1 day. And buy only when you are comfortable
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Property market is depending on bank loan. As most developments are supposed to complete from next year or so, high NPL is not expected until after 2015.

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post Jun 8 2013, 10:05 PM

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Sori off topic a lil. Came across some1 having prob carrying out funeral in condo. Any sifu know is it allowed to do it in any high end condo???
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post Jun 8 2013, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 8 2013, 09:27 PM)
Thailand, Indonesia, China lower risk???
Initially I thought u don't kno abt MK prop......
Then I realize u don't kno abt prop.......
Now I realize u don't kno abt your direction......
The end.
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EddyLB
post Jun 8 2013, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 8 2013, 09:56 PM)
Property market is depending on bank loan. As most developments are supposed to complete from next year or so, high NPL is not expected until after 2015.
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Most developments are supposed to complete from next year or so ? biggrin.gif

Haha, I agree with others you know nuts about properties

Are you just trying to have some fun by trolling us ? rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 8 2013, 10:05 PM)
Sori off topic a lil. Came across some1 having prob carrying out funeral in condo. Any sifu know is it allowed to do it in any high end condo???
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Holding of customary or traditional rites (e.g. Funeral wakes) are not allowed in any Condominium.
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post Jun 8 2013, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(WaiLeon @ Jun 8 2013, 10:57 PM)
Holding of customary or traditional rites (e.g. Funeral wakes) are not allowed in any Condominium.
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Noted. Tq
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post Jun 8 2013, 11:24 PM

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Hmm rate me am i ddd or ccc or wat..

Saujana villa kajang, asking price 1.4 million, after checking on the sellers backgroung crest and etc,

Price slashed 1m and deal went through, seller can no longer bare loan

The house price outside is realy high, no matter how u say prop go up, in face value, behind, the investors cant bare it anymore it is a fireball...it cuts, burn and extinguish a.k.a lelong

They are merely investing if they hold, it is no more investing your money will be binded under the bank loan

Maybe the price wong go down, but agents, owners need to eat and sleep well, selling at lower price will help
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post Jun 8 2013, 11:39 PM

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The price issue outside is a real issue, the biggest hurdle is the bank, the askingprice in prop value is not within bank valuation this will not spurr subsales, then there will excessive stocks, what happen next price goes down for sure

However , to qualify my statement i still agree that even in worst economic scenario, still certain property shoots up, but look in totality, the subsales either innumber has declined tremendously, ask the agents and the banks, they will know.

Rental will never be able to cover monthly installment. For coming investors, please bear in mind, a dou le storey in mahkota cheras may be sold rm300k at one point of time, then sold to another at rm450k, and next to 530k, do you really think the property price will ever go up anymore? Most probably not. If it really shoots up potential buyers will choose the other new project eith new design and etc with have far more competative price assuming the current property u want to sell 600k to 700k.

The market is saturated... upon certain limit, it stops no one will piurchase it anymore and you wont sell it at lower price.. then you be stuck with d property forever...

Even if you are purchasing new units, once it cant be sold for one of pricy reason, as time goes by, your units will lose up in as newer projects with different design and addons will defeat it.

Even mcdonalds, kfc, burger king and etc will need to come down with gheir price to suit the market why not prop price? I am ddd..

Ttdi grove kajang osos got some down turns due to some incidents...


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post Jun 9 2013, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jun 8 2013, 11:39 PM)
as time goes by, your units will lose up in as newer projects with different design and addons will defeat it.

some prefer to live in matured area so the price will continue to rise...eg near to parent/fren, familiarity etc
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 8 2013, 10:56 PM)
Property market is depending on bank loan. As most developments are supposed to complete from next year or so, high NPL is not expected until after 2015.
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All banks are so kiasu nowadays, high npl is unlikely but some area will likely see a spike in npl. Kota Kinabalu is a vulnerable area as well as Iskandar. Just my 2c
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post Jun 9 2013, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 8 2013, 09:52 PM)
Choices available to foreigners before they invest in Malaysia.

Incidentally, as GBP is cheaper than in the last few years, for Malaysian buying in Britain could have double gain.
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Boss invest prop in Britain with lower GBP ll not double the gain even thou I'm not sure bout wats the time frame u set for ur claim.

I almost bot a unit in zone 2 when GBP was 4.77 against RM. If I really hav bot it, I find no reason to double the gain today as the GBP is around the same as for today. Worst performance for GBP against RM for the past few mths was around 4.5+ and best at 5.0+. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Lets assume GBP has its lowest value against RM for the past 5 yrs, the value of the apartment I targeted actually appreciated about 10% fr the day I took note of it till today. Kindly explain the double gain part as I'm not very gd in tis kinda calculation. smile.gif

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post Jun 9 2013, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 9 2013, 11:00 AM)
Boss invest prop in Britain with lower GBP ll not double the gain even thou I'm not sure bout wats the time frame u set for ur claim.

I almost bot a unit in zone 2 when GBP was 4.77 against RM. If I really hav bot it, I find no reason to double the gain today as the GBP is around the same as for today. Worst performance for GBP against RM for the past few mths was around 4.5+ and best at 5.0+. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Lets assume GBP has its lowest value against RM for the past 5 yrs, the value of the apartment I targeted actually appreciated about 10% fr the day I took note of it till today. Kindly explain the double gain part as I'm not very gd in tis kinda calculation.  smile.gif

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Gain in property value and GBP/MYR exchange rate.

GBP was hovering about 5 in the last 2 years and 4.5 recently.



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post Jun 9 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 9 2013, 11:06 AM)
Gain in property value and GBP/MYR exchange rate.

GBP was hovering about 5 in the last 2 years and 4.5 recently.
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Icic. Thanks. Can share which part of British props double the value in 5 yrs with the GBP : RM xe within tis 5 yrs? I think I missed the boat for not buying the London apartment.

Pls do share. Thanks

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