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davidke20
post May 24 2013, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ May 23 2013, 11:58 PM)
tomorrow got TT?XD  biggrin.gif
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post May 24 2013, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ May 23 2013, 10:37 PM)
your car miss us adi la... long time no see us adi... LOL
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My gf drove it to work everyday.

QUOTE(dares @ May 23 2013, 10:41 PM)
try spare key.
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My spare key left at home. Sigh.

QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 23 2013, 11:07 PM)
Just keep cranking until it starts. Car tend to rest too long will have jammed nozzle. I mean DO NOT let loose of the key until engine hidup. I know usually you guys like to crank 4 cycle then release the key. Wuekekeke not on then recrank again wuekekeke not on then recrank again wuekekeke.
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FYI, I just came back from Sg and my gf using my car to fetch me home. She drive it everyday. Once reach home, I parked it outside for 1 hour before I go shift my car and it couldn't start already. If you say jammed nozzle due to long time didn't use it, then I understand but my car was used by my gf everyday to work. This is 2nd time it happen. First time happened 2 week ago before I go Sg.

The weird thing was when my first crank, the engine started but jerking all the time, feel like lag of fuel. So I turn it off. Second crank couldn't start anymore. The battery still strong and still have fuel. The feeling during next few crank was the engine trying hard to start but something not allow it to start, just like a car using fake key, mismatch immobiliser. The system don't allow it to start.
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post May 24 2013, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(gogoman86 @ May 24 2013, 12:33 AM)
The weird thing was when my first crank, the engine started but jerking all the time, feel like lag of fuel. So I turn it off. Second crank couldn't start anymore. The battery still strong and still have fuel. The feeling during next few crank was the engine trying hard to start but something not allow it to start, just like a car using fake key, mismatch immobiliser. The system don't allow it to start.
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post May 24 2013, 12:53 AM

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post May 24 2013, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(vampirewong @ May 24 2013, 12:53 AM)
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walauweh! btw, how's the ular doing so far unsure.gif
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post May 24 2013, 01:05 AM

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abang david
itu iswara rear brake bulb and signal bulbs is what model ar? T25 ka?
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post May 24 2013, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ May 24 2013, 01:05 AM)
abang david
itu iswara rear brake bulb and signal bulbs is what model ar? T25 ka?
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Brake is T25, signal and reverse is Ba15s. Front parking is T10, signal is Ba15s, headlight is H4. Panel signal is T10.
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post May 24 2013, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 24 2013, 12:56 AM)
walauweh! btw, how's the ular doing so far unsure.gif
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Ular installed on gaga, not yet on cithy. According to my butt-feel, gaga accelerate smoother. Throttle lag, not sure still got or not or reduced cuz I always let the car crawls before stepping on the accelerator.

Btw, some information to share. For those who went for TCU software update and experiencing high FC after that, please get SC to check whether the ECU got error codes or not. For my case, after TCU update my FC went from ~300km per tank to ~250 per tank. Went to Persona Mahir, Alam Damai SC to check why FC so high. They check ECU and got error. Cleared and now FC back to previous state but semput semput symptom is back. Not sure my case is applicable to those of you who experience high FC after TCU update, but it's worth a try if you concern about bad FC. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 24 2013, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 24 2013, 01:10 AM)
Brake is T25, signal and reverse is Ba15s. Front parking is T10, signal is Ba15s, headlight is H4. Panel signal is T10.
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Fuyoh!! Can split out these information from the back of your head notworthy.gif
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post May 24 2013, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ May 23 2013, 11:01 PM)
i found a good shop long ago. its kiong lee at the inti bukit which now also opened a new branch at relau. what i have yet to find is cash to install it. ayam tempted by this which i showed earlier on:

http://www.mudah.my/Turbo+S+Exhaust+Manifo...6922.htm?last=1

the feature of this extractor:

Product Feature:
- Racing Spec With Extra Long 4-2-1 Dessign
- Made from high grade 304 stainless steel.
- Mandrel bent and CNC machined flange.
- TIG/Argon welded perfection.
- Easy to install.
- Plug & Play.
- Improve Performance And Fuel Consumption

the BOLD is where i am concern about...

its at the place i installed my LCP. i called them and they said its rm650. extractor alone. and pasang elsewhere  doh.gif i plan to visit kiong lee in july or august after i gathered some cash. kiong lee r the experts...they can give proper advice on which type to suit our gaga...

***edit:AAAHHHHHH!!! now kiong lee carries Turbo S too!!! gonna drop by next week la! tempting!!!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=598...elevant_count=1
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post May 24 2013, 06:25 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 23 2013, 11:07 PM)
Gurl, that 1 you show is the form you need to fill up, so the bank can print out a cheque for you. And the cheque the bank issued is call bankdraft, usually they charge RM2.50/transaction. Meaning to say, if you do not have a cheque book, but you need bank assistance to issue a cheque on your behalf so you no need to bring bunch of cash to see your SA at the car dealer, now you get your bank to wtihdraw your money to the bank own account, and the bank issue a cheque for your car dealer. Something like this
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Just keep cranking until it starts. Car tend to rest too long will have jammed nozzle. I mean DO NOT let loose of the key until engine hidup. I know usually you guys like to crank 4 cycle then release the key. Wuekekeke not on then recrank again wuekekeke not on then recrank again wuekekeke.
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thanks bro. fully understood.sorry la abit dumb.

This post has been edited by Celest-Lee: May 24 2013, 06:26 AM
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post May 24 2013, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 23 2013, 09:36 PM)
On the topic of exhaust modding, you guys oft repeat a concept that there should be some "backpressure" on the exhaust system to optimize power output, a term most often associated with piping size and runner length.

I think it is worth mentioning that you should never want any "backpressure" in your exhaust system, what you want is the exhaust to NOT flow faster than your intake.

Everytime a cylinder reach the exhaust stroke, the exhaust gas is pumped out at great velocity from the cylinder and creates a vacuum in it's wake. If the runner is not designed in such a way that allows the exhaust to exit the cylinder quick enough, as the piston moves back down from it's top dead center the exhaust will be sucked back in and mix with the next fuel-air mixture, which is undesirable. The best scenario is that the exhaust completely leaves the combustion chamber, leaving a vacuum, helping the piston movement to draw in the intended amount of AF mixture. However, if the exhaust gas leaves too quickly, the AF mixture gets sucked out as well.

As the "pulse" of exhaust gas leaves the header and enter the piping, it continues to tarik the vacuum. This vacuum "sucks" the "pulse" exhaust gas behind it (from the cylinder that fired after the cylinder it originated from), so the exhaust gas behind it moves even faster, and it too sucks the exhaust gas behind it, and the cycle goes on. If your piping is small, the exhaust gas can maintain it's velocity easier, so you gain at low RPM. But as the RPM increases more and more exhaust "pulses" enter the piping at the same time, so it becomes "clogged", creating backpressure pushing the exhaust back inside the cylinder. If your piping is large, the exhaust "pulse" lose momentum sooner at lower RPM hence it loses it's "vacuum" effect. But at higher RPM it doesn't become clogged like small pipings, so there is no backpressure pushing the the exhaust back inside the cylinder and hence you gain high RPM performance.

If you can understand what I typed above, you'll see that backpressure is undesired. it is control of the exhaust flow you want, not backpressure. The whole process of managing vacuum and flow speed in the intake and exhaust system is called the scavenging process.

It also bears mentioned that if you wanna mod exhaust, then mod your intake to match. There is no point installing an extractor that allows your exhaust to escape quickly, but the intake system cannot cope.

Anyway, just bits and pieces I learnt from some sifus before I even owner the Gaga....my 2 kupang. Feel free to correct if I am wrong.
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so your overall explanation is to show why VTEC and MIVEC work "perfectly" under these conditions? so i can drop my idea of changing adjustable cam gears and camshaft too...since it will still be a trade off.ones gain is another's lost. hmm.gif
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post May 24 2013, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(vampirewong @ May 24 2013, 12:53 AM)
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woo, nice! how much and how you discovered it?
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QUOTE(billy520 @ May 24 2013, 08:02 AM)
open pork anyone?  brows.gif

so your overall explanation is to show why VTEC and MIVEC work "perfectly" under these conditions? so i can drop my idea of changing adjustable cam gears and camshaft too...since it will still be a trade off.ones gain is another's lost.  hmm.gif
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Have you pasang the gauge? Any feed back?

VTEK, MIBEK, CPS is variable timing and valve lift either by hydraulic varying valve lifting timing or by electronic control like CPS. Before certain RPM, valve lift remain at tighter range to prevent loud valve lifting noise like a diesel taxi. As and when reaching valve lifting/timing adjustment RPM, valve lifting angle will be increased so the intake valve open longer to allow more air/fuel mixture to go in the combustion chamber, so as the exhaust valve open longer to allow excessive exhaust fume to evacuate. So, before VTEK, normal car. During VTEK, bcum haicam race car.

Adjustable cam pulley allow you to advance/retard your intake/exhaust timing. Haicam will make your intake/exhaust timing stays longer, or even over lapping each others if wrongly cast. So, you'll make the car a lot more powerful. However, the car may not suitable for daily driving anymore. Idling will be very rough, FC will be greatly compromise. Imagine when your intake is working on the way to combustion chamber, your exhaust valve is opening waiting to blast. More air fuel will be leaving the engine before burning.

A proper setup of haicam definitely needed adjustable cam pulleys. You can choose to use ONLY the adjustable cam pulleys couple with stock cams, but it doesn't help much in terms of performance, you may be able to adjust your torque band a little bit here and there so you can have earlier torque or later but higher horse power. Below is a video of an old 4G15 engine, running on haicam and computer management. Enjoy.


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post May 24 2013, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 24 2013, 09:04 AM)
Have you pasang the gauge? Any feed back?

VTEK, MIBEK, CPS is variable timing and valve lift either by hydraulic varying valve lifting timing or by electronic control like CPS. Before certain RPM, valve lift remain at tighter range to prevent loud valve lifting noise like a diesel taxi. As and when reaching valve lifting/timing adjustment RPM, valve lifting angle will be increased so the intake valve open longer to allow more air/fuel mixture to go in the combustion chamber, so as the exhaust valve open longer to allow excessive exhaust fume to evacuate. So, before VTEK, normal car. During VTEK, bcum haicam race car.

Adjustable cam pulley allow you to advance/retard your intake/exhaust timing. Haicam will make your intake/exhaust timing stays longer, or even over lapping each others if wrongly cast. So, you'll make the car a lot more powerful. However, the car may not suitable for daily driving anymore. Idling will be very rough, FC will be greatly compromise. Imagine when your intake is working on the way to combustion chamber, your exhaust valve is opening waiting to blast. More air fuel will be leaving the engine before burning.

A proper setup of haicam definitely needed adjustable cam pulleys. You can choose to use ONLY the adjustable cam pulleys couple with stock cams, but it doesn't help much in terms of performance, you may be able to adjust your torque band a little bit here and there so you can have earlier torque or later but higher horse power. Below is a video of an old 4G15 engine, running on haicam and computer management. Enjoy.


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my fren never pass me the gauge yet...he holding grudge on me as i have him carried the 3max to penang via train doh.gif haha...he forget to bring to me actually. tomoro will collect from him as we r going to F&F6! Yeay!

yea...when i was installing my LCP, i wanted to get the adjustable cam as well. but the magician told me not much difference having only the adjustable without haicam and advice me to do it when change timing belt. back then should insist to install it. now my $$$ spent on something else edi cry.gif cry.gif maybe partly gone to 3max whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Celest-Lee @ May 24 2013, 06:25 AM)
thanks bro. fully understood.sorry la abit dumb.
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Since you in southern area, I recommend you service your Flx at Eon Sc, 60 Jalan Langkasuka. nearby larkin.

there are many authorised Proton Edar SCs out there but I tell you, service at Eon much better. You can look for Harun the Service Advisor. very friendly and helpful chap.

Also first 1k and second 5k service use Semi Synthethic. After that 10k onwards use only Fully Synthethic. Big difference and good savings, with FS need to service at 10k intervals.
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ May 24 2013, 08:49 AM)
woo, nice! how much and how you discovered it?
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post May 24 2013, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ May 24 2013, 08:02 AM)
open pork anyone?  brows.gif
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See the video at 0:25 drool.gif

QUOTE(TitanRev @ May 23 2013, 06:25 PM)
I posted a link to a video of my early morning track day and was not going all out yet at some turns. This is can roughly tell how is the exhaust sound on my car with such setup. Sorry for the wind noise as I kept a small opening on driver's side window. 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201229693689552
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Very nice thumbup.gif

QUOTE(gogoman86 @ May 23 2013, 10:28 PM)
This time lock the car again and unlock. Shift the gear to N and return to P. Crank the engine and started smoothly. Weird case. Sigh... =.=
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Faulty gear lever sensor? hmm.gif

QUOTE(billy520 @ May 23 2013, 11:01 PM)
i found a good shop long ago. its kiong lee at the inti bukit which now also opened a new branch at relau. what i have yet to find is cash to install it. ayam tempted by this which i showed earlier on:

http://www.mudah.my/Turbo+S+Exhaust+Manifo...6922.htm?last=1

the feature of this extractor:

Product Feature:
- Racing Spec With Extra Long 4-2-1 Dessign
- Made from high grade 304 stainless steel.
- Mandrel bent and CNC machined flange.
- TIG/Argon welded perfection.
- Easy to install.
- Plug & Play.
- Improve Performance And Fuel Consumption

the BOLD is where i am concern about...

its at the place i installed my LCP. i called them and they said its rm650. extractor alone. and pasang elsewhere  doh.gif i plan to visit kiong lee in july or august after i gathered some cash. kiong lee r the experts...they can give proper advice on which type to suit our gaga...

***edit:AAAHHHHHH!!! now kiong lee carries Turbo S too!!! gonna drop by next week la! tempting!!!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=598...elevant_count=1
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The BOLD part will come after you install vacuum gauge brows.gif

Btw I was looking inside both my rear wheel arches this morning and found both have this exposed bolt sad.gif


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post May 24 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ May 24 2013, 10:05 AM)
Since you in southern area, I recommend you service your Flx at Eon Sc, 60 Jalan Langkasuka. nearby larkin.

there are many authorised Proton Edar SCs out there but I tell you, service at Eon much better. You can look for Harun the Service Advisor. very friendly and helpful chap.

Also first 1k and second 5k service use Semi Synthethic. After that 10k onwards use only Fully Synthethic. Big difference and good savings, with FS need to service at 10k intervals.
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Thanks for the info! Really useful! I will take note of this when I reached 1k.
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post May 24 2013, 10:33 AM

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See the video at 0:25 drool.gif
Very nice thumbup.gif
Faulty gear lever sensor? hmm.gif
The BOLD part will come after you install vacuum gauge brows.gif

Btw I was looking inside both my rear wheel arches this morning and found both have this exposed bolt sad.gif
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have you got ur rear seats removed before? i got mine removed for the spring/abs change and they claimed that its not exposed. its because they unscrew the rear seats and dirt from the bolt were removed and hence it looked clean. hmm.gif

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