seems like the Rafale is really having a hard time just getting sold.
Military Thread V9, Happy birthday Malaysia & ATM ke 50 & 80
Military Thread V9, Happy birthday Malaysia & ATM ke 50 & 80
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Sep 5 2013, 08:01 PM
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seems like the Rafale is really having a hard time just getting sold.
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Sep 5 2013, 08:02 PM
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which is weird, saying that it's combat proven in Libya. Maybe France overpromised?
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Sep 5 2013, 08:38 PM
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Meanwhile Saab no one even consider
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Sep 5 2013, 08:49 PM
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Sep 5 2013, 08:52 PM
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Sep 5 2013, 08:58 PM
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IMO is that Dassault do not trust HAL to built the Rafale which Dassault will be fully responsible for any failure from HAL part. U can see all the discussion here:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread....scussion/page24 May be this is the reason why: QUOTE Dark secret behind mystery of the 'flying coffins' By Yatish Yadav - NEW DELHI Published: 25th Aug 2013 08:45:46 AM A post-mortem of the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) MiG series of fighter jets has come up with shocking revelations pointing to perennial engine oil leaks besides other serious technical glitches that have lent the aircraft notorious distinction of ‘flying coffin’ or ‘widow-maker’ owing to frequent crashes and loss of human lives. Every MiG crash in the country invited emotional outbursts from public and stinging rebuke from defence analysts, but the incidents were invariably written off claiming them to be human error. Documents accessed by The Sunday Standard reveal that MiG engines that propelled these roaring fighter jets, once considered backbone of the IAF, are of poor quality. Nearly 40 per cent of these engines and accessories produced by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), Koraput, have been returned by the IAF for some or the other defects. HAL is a Navratna company, owned by the government. The problem ranges from oil leak, metallic particle in oil filters and hot air leak from rear casing to trouble in compressor and even in turbine of MiG-27 aero engines. The defects are scary for the government, which has lost almost half of its MiG fleet to the crashes in the last 40 years, leaving 171 pilots and 39 civilians dead. Although Defence Minister A K Antony had told Parliament last year that both human error and technical defects were responsible for MiG crashes, he conveniently forgot to inform people about horrific condition of government’s state-of-the-art manufacturing unit. “Most of the cause factors can be classified as defects during manufacturing or overhauling process. IAF has been flagging these issues but government’s response is slow,” said an official on the condition of anonymity. It is learnt that all three MiGs—MiG-27, MiG-29 and MiG-21—are facing serious quality issues. MiG-27 suffered Low Pressure Turbine Rotor (LPTR) failure in at least 11 recent incidents. The HAL in some cases even lied while overhauling the LPTR, saying it had followed the overhaul manual but Ministry of Defence (MoD) officials said the procedure recommended by the original equipment manufacturer was not being implemented by the celebrated company. There are more shocking facts conveniently swept under the carpet. The springs installed in fuel pump of MiG 21 engines are failing frequently. A MiG-21 Bison aircraft crashed in November 2012 in Gujarat which was attributed to spring failure. The documents suggest that of the five main fuel pumps fitted with HAL-manufactured springs, at least three springs failed, which is unforgivable as it would have certainly resulted in accidents. Shockingly, the main fuel pumps of MiG-21 Bison engine continue to leak fuel, despite four studies conducted and implemented since 1990s. It says despite incorporating changes, fuel leak from main fuel pump continued unabated from throttle end. A senior official said flying operations of MiG-29 fleet are often suspended due to non-availability of critical accessories and poor quality of repairing. Even if one aircraft of the fleet is affected by the snag, the entire fleet is grounded till the problem is identified and resolved. However, another reason behind the poor quality of production and engine repairs is attributed to mass production work in the last leg of production year, to achieve the target. For example, in the first six months of 2012-13 production year, HAL finished the work on only four MiG-29 engines, but in the last quarter of the year, four engines were completed within three months. Similarly for MiG-27, the HAL finished the work on nine engines in nine months, but interestingly another nine engines were completed within the last three months. The issue was flagged by the MoD saying such trend is adversely affecting the quality of aero engines. “HAL is not interested to provide quality engines or repair work to the IAF. They are only interested in meeting the production numbers every year. There is also an impression that the work force in HAL delays the production to last three months to earn few extra bucks for ‘over time’ which is disgusting, given the fact that human lives are at stake,” an official said. source This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 5 2013, 09:00 PM |
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Sep 5 2013, 09:01 PM
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Sep 5 2013, 09:33 PM
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my gut feel is that we'll hold off on the mmrca at least until next year. or longer.
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Sep 5 2013, 10:17 PM
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Last delivery of Sukhoi fighter jets arrive in Makassar
Andi Hajramurni, The Jakarta Post, Makassar | National | Wed, September 04 2013, 9:50 PM The last delivery of Sukhoi fighter jets arrived from Russia at the Sultan Hasanuddin Air Force base in Makassar on Wednesday in CKD (Completely Knocked Down) condition and unarmed. “The manufacturer also sent 13 technicians to assemble the aircraft. They will also perform a series of tests before handing them to the government,” Sultan Hasanuddin Air Force base spokesman Maj. Muliadi said. He said usually it would take a week for the technicians to assemble the aircraft and perform the tests. As for the weaponry, the Indonesian government would procure them separately from the aircraft purchase. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/09...e-makassar.html |
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Sep 5 2013, 10:18 PM
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Mig29 have alot of problem?
i heard ours also have its fair share of problem until need replacements, true? |
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Sep 5 2013, 10:30 PM
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our prob mostly deal with lack of spare parts and obsolescence (soviet era building technique. dunno if the rivet is still noticeable) . afaik 2 of our MiGs crashed, though thankfully no pilot/civilian casualities involved.
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Sep 5 2013, 10:35 PM
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Majlis Sambutan Aidifitri 1434H TD Bersama Rakyat di Port Dickson, Negeri Sembilan
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Sep 5 2013, 10:30 PM) our prob mostly deal with lack of spare parts and obsolescence (soviet era building technique. dunno if the rivet is still noticeable) . afaik 2 of our MiGs crashed, though thankfully no pilot/civilian casualities involved. crashed? did we? i never knew that.. i only know half of them are grounded coz of lacking spare parts.. |
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Sep 6 2013, 11:12 AM
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Sep 6 2013, 12:04 PM
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![]() SOUTH CHINA SEA (Sept. 4, 2013) Sailors from the Maritime Civil Affairs and Security Training (MCAST) team exchange best practices with a Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) boarding team on boarding tactics during a visit, board, search and seizure exercise as part of Southeast Asia Cooperation and Training (SEACAT). This is the 11th annual SEACAT exercise with navy liaison officers from Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and the United States tracking vessels of interest in the multilateral maritime interdiction scenario. SEACAT highlights the value of navies’ hands-on practice in maritime security operations. Participating U.S. forces include the littoral combat ship USS Freedom (LCS 1), staff from commander, Task Group 73.1 and Commander Destroyer Squadron SEVEN, the dry cargo ammunition ship USNS Mathew Perry (T-AKE 9), the fleet replenishment oiler USNS Rappahannock (T-AO 204) and a P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Karolina A. Oseguera/Released) |
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Sep 6 2013, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 6 2013, 12:29 AM) crashed? did we? i never knew that.. i only know half of them are grounded coz of lacking spare parts.. here what I found , 2004 newsRMAF MiG29 fighter jet crashes in Kemaman KUALA LUMPUR: A Royal Malaysian Air Force MiG29 fighter jet crashed at the Ketengah Perwira oil palm plantation in Kemaman, Terengganu today but the pilot is believed to have ejected safely. Defence Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said the incident occurred at 10.22am and a search and rescue for the aircraft and the pilot is underway. He said the aircraft went down 16 nautical miles north west of the Kuantan airbase where the MiG squadron is based. Najib said as a precautionary measures, all the other MiG aircraft had been grounded temporarily. "Preliminary reports said that the engine was on fire before it crashed. Two other MiGs were flying together with the aircraft that went down. "The other pilots spotted where the pilot, who ejected safely, and aircraft had gone down and help is on the way," said Najib. The RMAF has 17 MiG29 fighter jets purchased from Russia |
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Sep 6 2013, 03:19 PM
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WTF is THIS??? Stumbled across a post of someone claiming that this is in our inventory
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Sep 6 2013, 03:34 PM
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Sep 6 2013, 03:38 PM
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if we have that, surely got shietstorm by south east asian country lol
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