The key point is korean participate in GEMA engine development, the engine improve tremendously then. P1... the resource and sales are limited.

I Drove a proton Exora CPS N/A 1.6, can reach 420 Km full tank pure City driving that would make the figure 1:10 to 1:11, thats even more saving than a Toyoda Innova.

Better if I cruise in highway can reach Bukit Kayu Hitam BP station after full tank from Old Klang Road BP Petrol Kiosk without a refill along the way.

1. It's not that easy. The 1.0 is an entirely new engine, designed from the ground up to be turbocharged. They offer it with different turbos so they can offer it at different price and performance points. The 1.5 may or may not be related to the 1.0. It's a 4 cylinder... BMW seems to have developed a new 3 cylinder as well, that can be scaled up or down depending on needs (so 2 cylinder, 4 cylinder, ...). But who knows how much effort it takes.
2. Probably too much work for a car that is sold in too low numbers. That's what makes me think the Suprima will be a facelifted Accord. Keeps development costs low. Only volume sellers are produced in such numbers that the development costs can be covered by the car price.

(IMHO Proton should just rebadge the Skoda Superb... even got similar names That's a more suitable car for government officials).

if really got rebadged accord, who still want to buy new accord?

Proton came into being thinking the rakyat will be to forced to buy it. All other cars will be heavily taxed,thus making Proton attractive to majority. It worked in the beginning.

Everything has changed since then and Proton is unable to deal with reality,still wants the tongkat. Slowly tongkat also disappearing. So now they want to leapfrog by teaming up. All the time looking to take shortcuts. I seriously doubt this new Honda tie up will work. It's going to be another failed model which will take a slow death.

IMO the best deal was with VW,there could have been a future. But that meant a complete revamp. Proton crony will die. As long as Proton is 'feed the crony' project,I see no hope even if they tieup with space shuttle!

All see proton say this and that no good. Y no develop it own engine See others bigger car manufacture which is better then proton. The gearbox still got problem, air bag problem la etc but no complain.

Once it has a Proton badge it is unreliable crap, didn't you know?

Correct. Not a rebadge


Haha. But maybe this time they will have one.

Isnt much? Its NONE actualy

How come Proton owner know their 1.6NA consume like NA FC? I thought most proton kenot afford big car?

name like Pizza la ... glurp ... Suprimo Pizza ... rebadge onot this not sure since still no spyshots yet ... But Proton should stop reusing platforms of other makers and use their own. They malu with Preve and Exora platform keh ? Making their model lineup like rojak rojak ...

its not even gonna be a rebadge

so campro not developed by proton?

My FC is 16 cents per KM for a Proton Wira. Manual, 1.5cc SOHC, shitty mods. 70% highway and 30% town. Full highway is 14 cents.

Exora Bold? 20 cents per KM.

Friend's Gen2 18 cents per KM.

Same routine for all. Except Gen2 and Bold are autos.

Don't understand of proton, why they need to copy other brand of technology，since they have lotus and just ask lotus for developing a good engine for proton.

Since proton know how to design & built of Waja, Persona, saga Blm, Exora & Preve then "y" they don't design by original from proton and still need to used other brand for rebadge it.

Now become a Rojak Rojak again.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Apr 27 2013, 01:48 AM

If Lotus can develop a good engine, they wouldn't have used Toyota engines in their Elises, Exiges & Evoras in the 1st place la.

Lagi pun, Proton planning to use Honda platform only. Running gear & body design are all Proton & Petronas so is not a rebadge.

Big brand also rebadge other car what. Like Mitubishi Proudia is a rebadged Nissan Fuga, Nissan Lafesta is a rebadged Mazda Premacy, Mazda Flair is a rebadged Suzuki Wagon R, etc...

Everyone does it.

it is reasonable FC, just like any 2.0NA car.

1.6turbo, with their power comparable to 2.0NA, its normal to have the FC comparable too, perhaps some saving in roadtax only ( but cons is the turbo, which is a wear and tear item)

lotuses use toyota engines for most of their models. they are good at the improving handling and some protons are actually pretty nice to drive, satria neo etc. just lacking in quality. preve improved a bit on that part though. it's not rebadging, it's using the platform. many carmakers share platforms. VW group for instance, alot of audi, skoda, VW, seat uses the same platform. Ford and volvo too, countless others. not a sin at all. i'm not a proton fan but if proton wants to improve i'm all for it, problem is, what's taking so long?

Crony suppliers and higher management that are corrupt beyond repair.

There are smart and talented ppl in the organization, and the knowledge transferred from Lotus prove to be a major asset that Proton possess these days. Nonetheless, even great names such as ex-BMW man Dr. Wolfgang Karl Epple who was the Director of Quality for three years in Proton, can't rescue Proton from the pit it dug itself in.

Betul kah turboja... vw 1.4 twin charge fc more or less same like fake lancer kah?

oh, that one different dy, that one like hybrid already

petrol + twincharger = Petrol + battery = petrol + roadtax.

assuming twincharger is wear and tear and battery is wear and tear.

in the long run, same one