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 Proton Suprima, New Perdana Based on Accord?

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post Apr 25 2013, 07:20 AM

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After launch it car and do you prefer over an inspira to instead of this unknown performance engine smile.gif

At lease inspira engine still an Mitsubishi one.
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post Apr 25 2013, 07:54 AM

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I wonder how will proton will upgrade the engine to make it on par with today technology standard? I hope they will try to us turbocharged the and direct injection the engine
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post Apr 25 2013, 08:10 AM

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Expect typical Proton built and quality.

Honda platform? Which Accord they gonna use?

This?

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post Apr 25 2013, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Apr 25 2013, 07:20 AM)
After launch it car and do you prefer over an inspira to instead of this unknown performance engine smile.gif

At lease inspira engine still an Mitsubishi one.
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Learn to research la bangsat.

http://paultan.org/2005/07/08/the-petronas-e01/

Technical Specifications
Valve mechanism: Continuous Control VVT (Variable Valve Timing)
Camshaft: Double OverHead Camshaft (DOHC)
Displacement: 2 litres
Induction: Natural Aspirated
Cylinders: 4, In-line
Valves per cylinder: 4
Block: Aluminum
Weight: 108.9kg
Max Horsepower: 204.3 PS @ 7300rpm
Max Torque: 203Nm @ 5300rpm
Power Output per litre: 100 PS/litre
Volumetric Efficiency: 107.8%
Emission Standards: EURO 2

True that it's only EURO2, but that was WAY BACK in 2005. Like what the rest said, Proton could likely improve the engine to meet with current standard.

And it's also a known fact that the Inspira is using a Campro 2.0.
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post Apr 25 2013, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 25 2013, 08:13 AM)
Learn to research la bangsat.

http://paultan.org/2005/07/08/the-petronas-e01/

Technical Specifications
Valve mechanism: Continuous Control VVT (Variable Valve Timing)
Camshaft: Double OverHead Camshaft (DOHC)
Displacement: 2 litres
Induction: Natural Aspirated
Cylinders: 4, In-line
Valves per cylinder: 4
Block: Aluminum
Weight: 108.9kg
Max Horsepower: 204.3 PS @ 7300rpm
Max Torque: 203Nm @ 5300rpm
Power Output per litre: 100 PS/litre
Volumetric Efficiency: 107.8%
Emission Standards: EURO 2

True that it's only EURO2, but that was WAY BACK in 2005. Like what the rest said, Proton could likely improve the engine to meet with current standard.

And it's also a known fact that the Inspira is using a Campro 2.0.
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Nice~~~ look like really STP = standard tapi power smile.gif
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post Apr 25 2013, 08:41 AM

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Yeap the new proton engine like the CFE and IAFM+ all EURO 5 standard, unlike some of japanese car here still on EURO 3 whistling.gif
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post Apr 25 2013, 08:44 AM

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Just take a look and how does it fuel saving & pulling the power.
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post Apr 25 2013, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Apr 24 2013, 10:05 PM)
P490A i bet..
I have some info.. dunno how true thou.. saw it inside the plant.. papers.. not car
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Can this really come out in a year?

Developing new 2L engine takes time. The petronas engine was just for the patents. Then there is also the crash test, stress/durability test, NVH test, engine test, styling etc takes time. Also, since when the Perdana was a "core" market car for proton. It ain't going to sell tons like saga/persona. IMHO, better put resources to replace the Satria Neo.

Also, what will happen to the Inspira? Sure, proton still rebadging this. Maybe due to phase out? I think it is better to just leave lancer as it is and concentrate on Saga than neo.

Also, I don't like suprima. Just call it Perdana. No one is going to confuse the car anyway. Suprima sounds like a Pizza Hut pizza -super supreme laugh.gif

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post Apr 25 2013, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 25 2013, 08:13 AM)
Learn to research la bangsat.

http://paultan.org/2005/07/08/the-petronas-e01/

Technical Specifications
Valve mechanism: Continuous Control VVT (Variable Valve Timing)
Camshaft: Double OverHead Camshaft (DOHC)
Displacement: 2 litres
Induction: Natural Aspirated
Cylinders: 4, In-line
Valves per cylinder: 4
Block: Aluminum
Weight: 108.9kg
Max Horsepower: 204.3 PS @ 7300rpm
Max Torque: 203Nm @ 5300rpm
Power Output per litre: 100 PS/litre
Volumetric Efficiency: 107.8%
Emission Standards: EURO 2

True that it's only EURO2, but that was WAY BACK in 2005. Like what the rest said, Proton could likely improve the engine to meet with current standard.

And it's also a known fact that the Inspira is using a Campro 2.0.
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Actually, kimsin's post is not wrong. Last year Proton acquired this engine with 3 configurable displacement (1.8, 2.0 & 2.2) in which including turbocharged engine patents.

Only the 2.0 NA was revealed to the public. So the mass production unit's performance is still relatively unknown.

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post Apr 25 2013, 09:57 AM

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What I see, Proton can redevelop EO1 engine further with LOTUS to meet current standard similar to Campro Engine last time... We shouldn't assume it to early..
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post Apr 25 2013, 11:44 AM

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I just can't see too many changes from the Accord. Change the design a bit OK (think facelift... Nothing under the skin can change, and the overall shape from the A pillar onwards to the C pillar can't change (doors maybe a bit)). Interior few changes again.

Engine yes, can change if they have one. But basically it will be more like a facelifted Accord... by Proton. No major changes.
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post Apr 25 2013, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Apr 25 2013, 11:44 AM)
I just can't see too many changes from the Accord. Change the design a bit OK (think facelift... Nothing under the skin can change, and the overall shape from the A pillar onwards to the C pillar can't change (doors maybe a bit)). Interior few changes again.

Engine yes, can change if they have one. But basically it will be more like a facelifted Accord... by Proton. No major changes.
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and if they sell it at 100k, another doomed to fail project. if they sell it 80k, preve will fail. its a dead end. ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(stix @ Apr 25 2013, 12:17 PM)
and if they sell it at 100k, another doomed to fail project. if they sell it 80k, preve will fail. its a dead end.  ohmy.gif
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The worst case is sell over 100k do u think you will support it?
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They probably only make it for government officials. I'd say at least 100k, wouldn't be surprised if it is more (which would still be quite a bargain). But since it will be sold in small numbers the development costs need to be really low.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Apr 25 2013, 12:19 PM)
The worst case is sell over 100k do u think you will support it?
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ill never support it no matter what laugh.gif
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 25 2013, 07:11 AM)
not sure either p1 going to use e01 straight since it's an old engine (emission restriction). maybe use the tech and redesign the whole engine.
nway, tubo might be thirsty, but the main advantage is cheaper roadtax. for example pug vti and thp..thp is more thirsty than vti (fc around 1.8- 2.0L car), but way cheaper roadtax than 2.0 car.
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but those are advanced modern engine while CFE aka campro is an basic old engine with nothing in it...thats why the thirstiness
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post Apr 25 2013, 01:00 PM

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Makes more sense to use sharing platform. Exora platform might have some limitations to span into D segment.

As for the engine, what we know so far its going to be the new version of E01 engine dubbed NE01.

No information weather its NA or turbocharged, although some reports the petronas engine comes with both.

Also, Proton have new engine on their own dubbed NFE. This have very little information. Rumors this is small engine, going to be use in GSC.

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post Apr 25 2013, 01:21 PM

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what i heard,if use pet engine,it will be f01, rather e01. dunno the diff. maybe cost effective n emmision. iafm+ n cfe,lower than 150g/km co2 but still 140++g/km which only euro 5,shud target lower than 120g/km for euro 6 in 2014. hopefully they can.
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Apr 25 2013, 07:54 AM)
I wonder how will proton will upgrade the engine to make it on par with today technology standard? I hope they will try to us turbocharged the and direct injection the engine
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CFE not a turbo charged injection engine? or u just being sarcastic?
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 25 2013, 12:32 PM)
but those are advanced modern engine while CFE aka campro is an basic old engine with nothing in it...thats why the thirstiness
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the project started in 96..was planned to use it by 2005. cfe is not really ori campro engine. a bit smaller displacement, different vvt mechanism compared to cps. it is thristy because of the turbo..proton nowhere near vw tsi or bmw prince thp..but still a modern engine.

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