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 Proton Suprima, New Perdana Based on Accord?

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theanswer
post Apr 25 2013, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(calmshot @ Apr 25 2013, 02:11 PM)
CFE not a turbo charged injection engine? or u just being sarcastic?
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maybe he mean direct injection turbo. so far cfe dont use direct injection.
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post Apr 25 2013, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 25 2013, 02:42 PM)
the project started in 96..was planned to use it by 2005. cfe is not really ori campro engine. a bit smaller displacement, different vvt mechanism compared to cps. it is thristy because of the turbo..proton nowhere near vw tsi or bmw prince thp..but still a modern engine.
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ic...thn they have more improvement to do
but if lite turbo already so thirsty, if they plug in bigger turbo...its gonna be more thristy
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post Apr 25 2013, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 25 2013, 02:47 PM)
ic...thn they have more improvement to do
but if lite turbo already so thirsty, if they plug in bigger turbo...its gonna be more thristy
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yeap..just give them few more years. maybe they can come out with new engine based on petronas engine. never own a cfe proton..but is it thristy? i mean compared to 1.8-2.0 car.
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post Apr 25 2013, 02:58 PM

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Im using cfe engine, in town use such a pain the a$$ to pay for its fuel. Full tank 370km more or less.

Long distance, i have record 640km travel at average speed of 130km/h. Still have little bit more fuel until the low fuel warning indicator light up

its the way the ecu tune. Proton need to learn from other manufacture how to tune properly. The ecu tune before remap have better fc than the latest
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post Apr 25 2013, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Apr 25 2013, 02:58 PM)
Im using cfe engine, in town use such a pain the a$$ to pay for its fuel. Full tank 370km more or less.

Long distance, i have record 640km travel at average speed of 130km/h. Still have little bit more fuel until the low fuel warning indicator light up

its the way the ecu tune. Proton need to learn from other manufacture how to tune properly. The ecu tune before remap have better fc than the latest
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You ride on what model of proton car?
I think it is normal for smaller CC car.

Hp & torque are low then have to pulling up power fuel to burning over.
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post Apr 25 2013, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(SoZa @ Apr 25 2013, 07:54 AM)
I wonder how will proton will upgrade the engine to make it on par with today technology standard? I hope they will try to us turbocharged the and direct injection the engine
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 25 2013, 02:44 PM)
maybe he mean direct injection turbo. so far cfe dont use direct injection.
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ouh TDi, my bad. wrongly interpreted. sorry SoZa

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post Apr 25 2013, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(calmshot @ Apr 25 2013, 03:24 PM)
ouh TDi, my bad. wrongly interpreted. sorry SoZa
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except for the turbocharged term..hahaha.
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post Apr 25 2013, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 25 2013, 02:52 PM)
yeap..just give them few more years. maybe they can come out with new engine based on petronas engine. never own a cfe proton..but is it thristy? i mean compared to 1.8-2.0 car.
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it has almost the same FC as inspira...so go figure
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 25 2013, 04:17 PM)
it has almost the same FC as inspira...so go figure
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hurmm..to me not bad la.
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 25 2013, 04:24 PM)
hurmm..to me not bad la.
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haha
it should have the power/torque of a 2.0L(which is has)
and the FC of a 1.6L(which it doesn't have) tongue.gif
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post Apr 25 2013, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Apr 25 2013, 03:11 PM)
You ride on what model of proton car?
I think it is normal for smaller CC car.

Hp & torque are low then have to pulling up power fuel to burning over.
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Exora bold cfe

if just cruising and overtake slowly the fc really good

theres one time i need to catch a ferry at tioman, i vroom vroom all the way from seri kembangan to tanjung gemok jetty, around 310km. Usual drive took me 4hour 30minutes to 5 hour at most, but that time 3hour already reach destination...from full tank at first of the journey, when reach the destination...the fuel indicator blinking already...lol
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post Apr 26 2013, 07:49 AM

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OMG --> http://paultan.org/2013/04/25/proton-supri...n-honda-accord/

Honda accord much headache for maintenance and now come into proton hand... Lagi headache for after sales service smile.gif

The main issue is accord chassis too heavy and now putting unknown performance engine and do your think it can be more improve FC and power?

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post Apr 26 2013, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 25 2013, 04:27 PM)
haha
it should have the power/torque of a 2.0L(which is has)
and the FC of a 1.6L(which it doesn't have) tongue.gif
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Cannot lah like that. Too high expectation. How can 1.6 + turbo = 1.6NA fc? More reasonable is 1.6T = 1.8NA fc. Unless you 'never on' the turbo then can prob get 1.6NA fc. Look at the Passat, 1.8T = 2.0NA fc. So if preve CFE = 2.0 or above, only then can considered high-ish.
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post Apr 26 2013, 09:15 AM

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at least roadtax rm90 for 1.6l car.. 1.8 already feel pain.. rm280.haha
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post Apr 26 2013, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(dirtinacan @ Apr 26 2013, 09:15 AM)
at least roadtax rm90 for 1.6l car.. 1.8 already feel pain.. rm280.haha
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Due to road tax is a year a time.
Badly FC is per every fuel.

So you would consider which one?
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post Apr 26 2013, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Apr 26 2013, 09:21 AM)
Due to road tax is a year a time.
Badly FC is per every fuel.

So you would consider which one?
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i choose FC. that's why i downgraded from waja 1.8T to a myvi. haha cry.gif cry.gif
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post Apr 26 2013, 09:28 AM

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I got 3 questions:

1. Why P1 doesn't play around with their displacement of the 1.6 CFE? Just like Ford did with its new 1.0 & 1.5 EcoBoost lineup.
2. Why P1 doesn't use the so-called Preve/Exora modular platform design?
3. Why P1 is yet to announce its so-called "business plan"?
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QUOTE(matmoto5125 @ Apr 26 2013, 09:28 AM)
I got 3 questions:

1. Why P1 doesn't play around with their displacement of the 1.6 CFE? Just like Ford did with its new 1.0 & 1.5 EcoBoost lineup.
2. Why P1 doesn't use the so-called Preve/Exora modular platform design?
3. Why P1 is yet to announce its so-called "business plan"?
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This is the main pointed.

Why proton need play with from each model of car can be choose from low or higher engine grade.

Why they can't do all the same and different with accessories of the low & full specs only.

The main reason from each company have to developing and take how long for improve over bad FC to be better FC and high power engine with lower capacity.

This one may need bump in how much money to be devolping again.
Take more 20 years should be good enough time.

Like Korean car last time very worst and now improve a lot the better FC already.
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post Apr 26 2013, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(azfamy @ Apr 26 2013, 08:27 AM)
Cannot lah like that. Too high expectation. How can 1.6 + turbo = 1.6NA fc? More reasonable is 1.6T = 1.8NA fc. Unless you 'never on' the turbo then can prob get 1.6NA fc. Look at the Passat, 1.8T = 2.0NA fc. So if preve CFE = 2.0 or above, only then can considered high-ish.
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Proton 1.6 NA already like 2.0 NA FC

1.6T like 2.5 NA

if 2.0T then will be like 3.0NA.


That's why people complain Proton FC.
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Apr 26 2013, 09:58 AM)
Proton 1.6 NA already like 2.0 NA FC

1.6T like 2.5 NA

if 2.0T then will be like 3.0NA.
That's why people complain Proton FC.
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any fact on these?

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