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mrjgx
post May 4 2013, 06:50 PM

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post May 4 2013, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ May 4 2013, 01:26 PM)
it was very windy yesterday, strong headwind, when a caucasian rider overtook me i drafted him (wheelsucked him for a good 8km).

He knew I was there behind him, happily shielded and doing 35kmh thanks to him. Inappropriately, he sneezes out and spitting just to make me away. At one point he gave up sneezing, he steer left hard and stop at the roadside.

So the question is, whose the unethical one here? Is drafting a stranger is a complete no-no?
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personally and i have to say this is only my view...i think the answer lies in the person taking advantage... if the person in front dislikes you tagging onto his wheel and you understand his hints... you should know what to do rather than annoyingly soldiering on until he does something extreme like telling you off.. either you drop back further or you just overtake...

the fact is there is no rules to say that you can't draft someone on the open roads whether you know or you don't know that person, i understand that.. but some people just like their personal space or they want the peace of mind that you are not going to run into them and stuff like that... just let them be...

it is like you are peeing in the toilet and i stand real close to you at the back... not peeking over your shoulders or any or those sort.. but just standing there real close and doing nothing... you get annoyed too and you will try to get rid of me...or someone driving real close to your rear bumper...it's just annoys the person in front if you get what i am trying to say...

some people just likes to ride in peace... he might have been a bit extreme in trying to get rid of you...

even if the person does not mind... etiquette says that you should still take a couple of pulls...if you just sit in his slipstream, dun blame the person in front if he holds a grudge on you... what you can do is just simply ride up to his side and ask him if you can help take a pull or two or sometime eye or hand signals would suffice...sitting in someone's slipstream is jus very unpleasant if you do nothing to help...

usually for me, i do one of the 2 things...

if i am in front and i don't mind getting drafted

1) i flick my elbow to ask the person at the back to take a turn
2) if he does not understand or refuses... swing off your lane safely and drop speed massively to force the person behind to the front and force him to take a pull

if i do mind,

1) give him some hand signals to signal him to pass
2) slow down and let him pass
2.5) if the rider slows down with me, try to shake him loose and if the rider behind die die follow your accelerations... give him another hand signal and slow down at the same time while giving him the look (this is what i already consider very rude in my position and practically a move to show him that he is a massive a~hole.. practically a GTFO)

QUOTE(Mac Wai @ May 4 2013, 02:14 PM)
One on one, what will be the effective drafting distance?

Q, will our latching to them caused them extra effort....?
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depends on the size of the object blocking the wind... half to one bike length you still can feel the effects while maintain a safe distance...

they are expending the same amount of energy themselves if they ride alone... so, physically... it doesn't exert them anymore than they face the wind alone... mentally, that is another case... subconsciously... they might feel that they get more worn down and stuff like that...

QUOTE(Mac Wai @ May 4 2013, 02:21 PM)
I had a different experience..

I was being drafted by a Mountain biker, couldn't shake him off no matter how hard I tried.... Could be the effect of the drafting or I am plain lousy, playing the role of a trapped mouse then . I wasn't pleased then....but I could reverse the role in the future if I chance upon her.
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riding alone you will ride at a stable pace... when you try to accelerate away... you are just wrecking your pace and expending more energy...if i were you.. i'd just flag him through unless you want to play cat and mouse with him...

QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ May 4 2013, 02:38 PM)
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just to clarify...not in a homosexual way...but i don't see why not...

i heard he is quite a funny guy in real life.. a practical joker...

QUOTE(mrjgx @ May 4 2013, 05:46 PM)
It was 2-3 bikes length initially until I think what the hell..just nearer, maybe a wheel gap from his rear wheels should be fine.

It's like unwritten rules not to draft others unless you are in a group ride. When people drafted me all I did was to slow down a bit,  not spitting or sneezing to chase them away.
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can't blame people.. maybe he made subtle hints that you did not notice...

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post May 4 2013, 09:32 PM

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i think the best word to sum it up is...

not everyone on the street is out to race you and you are not out to race everyone on the street... there is no prize at the end of the line...

as long as you don't give the other party wrong signals...
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just to clarify...not in a homosexual way...but i don't see why not...

i heard he is quite a funny guy in real life.. a practical joker...
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To be honest, I'm just being rebellious

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post May 5 2013, 12:29 AM

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...if i were you.. i'd just flag him through unless you want to play cat and mouse with him...

Why you just have to assume it's a him and not a her, subconcious skepticism I suppose.
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because if it is a her...she won't be going anywhere

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Dun comprehend ..where? Your assumption is correct, cannot word trick you. Firewall too strong! biggrin.gif
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post May 5 2013, 03:03 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ May 4 2013, 09:18 PM)
personally and i have to say this is only my view...i think the answer lies in the person taking advantage... if the person in front dislikes you tagging onto his wheel and you understand his hints... you should know what to do rather than annoyingly soldiering on until he does something extreme like telling you off.. either you drop back further or you just overtake...

the fact is there is no rules to say that you can't draft someone on the open roads whether you know or you don't know that person, i understand that.. but some people just like their personal space or they want the peace of mind that you are not going to run into them and stuff like that... just let them be...

it is like you are peeing in the toilet and i stand real close to you at the back... not peeking over your shoulders or any or those sort.. but just standing there real close and doing nothing... you get annoyed too and you will try to get rid of me...or someone driving real close to your rear bumper...it's just annoys the person in front if you get what i am trying to say...

some people just likes to ride in peace... he might have been a bit extreme in trying to get rid of you...

even if the person does not mind... etiquette says that you should still take a couple of pulls...if you just sit in his slipstream, dun blame the person in front if he holds a grudge on you... what you can do is just simply ride up to his side and ask him if you can help take a pull or two or sometime eye or hand signals would suffice...sitting in someone's slipstream is jus very unpleasant if you do nothing to help...

usually for me, i do one of the 2 things...

if i am in front and i don't mind getting drafted

1) i flick my elbow to ask the person at the back to take a turn
2) if he does not understand or refuses...  swing off your lane safely and drop speed massively to force the person behind to the front and force him to take a pull

if i do mind,

1) give him some hand signals to signal him to pass
2) slow down and let him pass
2.5) if the rider slows down with me, try to shake him loose and if the rider behind die die follow your accelerations... give him another hand signal and slow down at the same time while giving him the look (this is what i already consider very rude in my position and practically a move to show him that he is a massive a~hole.. practically a GTFO)
depends on the size of the object blocking the wind... half to one bike length you still can feel the effects while maintain a safe distance...

they are expending the same amount of energy themselves if they ride alone... so, physically... it doesn't exert them anymore than they face the wind alone... mentally, that is another case... subconsciously... they might feel that they get more worn down and stuff like that...
riding alone you will ride at a stable pace... when you try to accelerate away... you are just wrecking your pace and expending more energy...if i were you.. i'd just flag him through unless you want to play cat and mouse with him...
just to clarify...not in a homosexual way...but i don't see why not...
Well that's a good and sensible way of how to tackle wheelsuckers. Will try it out on my next ride. Just finished my 40km base building ride, slow and steady until on my last finishing lap of the circuit, I overtook 3 guys..maintained 40kmh for the last 1km when suddenly their white front lights started approaching me and I could hear them breathing (that's how close it is). What's wrong with all these people!





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I wonder if riding here in UAE will make me stronger when i'm back to Msia for good. The headwind is crazy, most of the time I can only cycle at 20kmh due to the strong headwind..but when there's no wind, 35kmh-40kmh seems easy breazy. Not so few years ago. Making me wanna buy that wind cheating wheels. Perhaps it will make life more easier, slicing the wind and whatever BS they claimed, but it comes with scientific facts and figures so I'm sold! Start saving money now! rclxms.gif

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A pros sharing their training tips. I shared it here for the others benefit.


http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/news/a...sessions/16653/

Giant rider Matt Bottrill is currently enjoying a 9 race unbeaten win streak, in his latest blog post he talks us through his Top 5 Training Sessions and how he uses power as part of his training routine, over to Matt;

Part two of my rider blog and I am revealing my top five training sessions, I use these regularly as part of a programme set my my coach and sponsor Bob Tobin at www.cyclepowermeters.com. My training is based on power which Ihave found is the best way of optimising my training and recovery time. If you are interested in racing and training with power and selecting the right power meter the Tri Radar website has a great article about power based training and power meters, right here.

Over the years I've found the key to not letting your training get stale is variety. If you're short on time and looking to add some variety to your training routine then try riding on different roads or adding different intervals, my top 5 are detailed below.

Training Zones - Heart Rate (Based on 190bpm Max Heart Rate)
Recovery: 114 - Active recovery
Zone 1: 114 - 123 - Long steady rides of up to 6hrs
Zone 2: 123 - 142 longer rides of up to 4hrs
Zone 3: 142 - 155 - Medium intensity rides of up to 2hrs
Zone 4: 155 - 169 - Sweet spot up to 1hr intervals
Zone 5: 169 - 178 - Race pace & 10min - 20mins efforts
Zone 6: 178 - 190 - Vo2 MAX 10 secs - 1 min intervals

Training Zones - Power
Zone 1: Active recovery
Zone 2: Endurance
Zone 3: Tempo including sweetspot
Zone 4: Threshold
Zone 5: Vo2 Max
Zone 6: Anaerobic capacity

For a much more indeath look at training with power, here's a useful link to an Andrew Coggan article on TrainingPeaks.com

My Top 5 Training Routines

1 - Sweet Spot Training
The zone just below threshold, if you're new to the sport try blocks of 10 minutes and if you're really keen and fit you might even be able to do blocks of 1hr. But sweet spot is a great way of building your fitness.

20 mins warm up @ L2, 10 - 20mins @ sweetspot, 20 mins L2, 10 - 20 mins sweet spot then 20 mins cooldown.

Try this twice a week and you will be flying. (Try altering your cadence eg: 20 mins 100 revs, 20 mins 70 revs, to add variety)

2 - Micro burst intervals

Warm up 20 mins, 20 mins - 1hr @ Level 2-3, but then every 5 mins do a max interval of either 10-20-30secs - or if you're super fit 1 minute sitting in the saddle riding as fast as you can, 20 mins cool down.

This session is great for increasing you lactic tolerance.

3 - Threshold intervals

10 - 20 mins to better you time trialing & top end power.

20 mins warm up, 10 - 20 mins @ level 5, 20 mins recovery, 10 - 20 mins @ Level 5, 20 mins cool down - if that's too much do 3 x 10 mins @ level 5 with 10 mins recovery

4 - Sub threshold power intervals

1 - 4 mins level 5 - 6 - Vo2 Max

Warm up 20 mins then do 4 x 4 mins if fit or 1 x 4 mins if not so fit @ level 6 with 5 mins recovery between each, 20 mins cool down

5 - Power based intervals - for increased strength

Find a climb of around 4 - 5 minutes.

20 mins warm up high cadence, don't concentrate on power or heart rate, start the climb at 70 revs, eg 53 x 17, then each minute drop it down one sprocket, descend the climb and repeat, keep doing the intervals until you can't take anymore!

My week in Training (based on power)

Monday - 2hrs Level 2

Tuesday - 15 mins L2, 1hr sweetspot, 15 mins recovery

Wednesday - Rest

Thursday - 20 mins warm up, 4 x 4 minute level 5 intervals

Friday - 15 mins L2, 1hr sweetspot, 15 mins recovery

Saturday - Race

Sunday - 90mins Level 1-2 recovery ride.

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anyone interested in getting a cannondale ??

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post May 6 2013, 09:17 AM

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anyone interested in getting a cannondale ??

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that slice is not nice...

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We are back.....from election..of course!

Fugly! The color.

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ May 5 2013, 03:05 AM)
I wonder if riding  here in UAE will make me stronger when i'm back to Msia for good. The headwind is crazy, most of the time I can only cycle at 20kmh due to the strong headwind..but when there's no wind, 35kmh-40kmh seems easy breazy. Not so few years ago. Making me wanna buy that wind cheating wheels. Perhaps it will make life more easier, slicing the wind and whatever BS they claimed, but it comes with scientific facts and figures so I'm sold! Start saving money now!  rclxms.gif

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A pros sharing their training tips. I shared it here for the others benefit.
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/news/a...sessions/16653/

Giant rider Matt Bottrill is currently enjoying a 9 race unbeaten win streak, in his latest blog post he talks us through his Top 5 Training Sessions and how he uses power as part of his training routine, over to Matt;

Part two of my rider blog and I am revealing my top five training sessions, I use these regularly as part of a programme set my my coach and sponsor Bob Tobin at www.cyclepowermeters.com. My training is based on power which Ihave found is the best way of optimising my training and recovery time. If you are interested in racing and training with power and selecting the right power meter the Tri Radar website has a great article about power based training and power meters, right here. 

Over the years I've found the key to not letting your training get stale is variety. If you're short on time and looking to add some variety to your training routine then try riding on different roads or adding different intervals, my top 5 are detailed below.

Training Zones - Heart Rate (Based on 190bpm Max Heart Rate)
Recovery: 114 - Active recovery
Zone 1: 114 - 123 - Long steady rides of up to 6hrs
Zone 2: 123 - 142 longer rides of up to 4hrs
Zone 3: 142 - 155 - Medium intensity rides of up to 2hrs
Zone 4: 155 - 169 - Sweet spot up to 1hr intervals
Zone 5: 169 - 178 - Race pace & 10min - 20mins efforts
Zone 6: 178 - 190 - Vo2 MAX 10 secs - 1 min intervals

Training Zones - Power
Zone 1: Active recovery
Zone 2: Endurance
Zone 3: Tempo including sweetspot
Zone 4: Threshold
Zone 5: Vo2 Max
Zone 6: Anaerobic capacity

For a much more indeath look at training with power, here's a useful link to an Andrew Coggan article on TrainingPeaks.com

My Top 5 Training Routines

1 - Sweet Spot Training
The zone just below threshold, if you're new to the sport try blocks of 10 minutes and if you're really keen and fit you might even be able to do blocks of 1hr. But sweet spot is a great way of building your fitness.

20 mins warm up @ L2, 10 - 20mins @ sweetspot, 20 mins L2, 10 - 20 mins sweet spot then 20 mins cooldown.

Try this twice a week and you will be flying. (Try altering your cadence eg: 20 mins 100 revs, 20 mins 70 revs, to add variety)

2 - Micro burst intervals

Warm up 20 mins, 20 mins - 1hr @ Level 2-3, but then every 5 mins do a max interval of either 10-20-30secs - or if you're super fit 1 minute sitting in the saddle riding as fast as you can, 20 mins cool down.

This session is great for increasing you lactic tolerance.

3 - Threshold intervals

10 - 20 mins to better you time trialing & top end power.

20 mins warm up, 10 - 20 mins @ level 5, 20 mins recovery, 10 - 20 mins @ Level 5, 20 mins cool down - if that's too much do 3 x 10 mins @ level 5 with 10 mins recovery

4 - Sub threshold power intervals

1 - 4 mins level 5 - 6 - Vo2 Max

Warm up 20 mins then do 4 x 4 mins if fit or 1 x 4 mins if not so fit @ level 6 with 5 mins recovery between each, 20 mins cool down

5 - Power based intervals - for increased strength

Find a climb of around 4 - 5 minutes.

20 mins warm up high cadence, don't concentrate on power or heart rate, start the climb at 70 revs, eg 53 x 17, then each minute drop it down one sprocket, descend the climb and repeat, keep doing the intervals until you can't take anymore!

My week in Training (based on power)

Monday - 2hrs Level 2

Tuesday - 15 mins L2, 1hr sweetspot, 15 mins recovery

Wednesday - Rest

Thursday - 20 mins warm up, 4 x 4 minute level 5 intervals

Friday - 15 mins L2, 1hr sweetspot, 15 mins recovery

Saturday - Race

Sunday - 90mins Level 1-2 recovery ride.
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the wheels is definitely effective from a scientifically measured point of view... whether you feel the effects or not or you feel the effects in your mind and not in realistic actual sense... that is the question...

those training schedules is for pros lar... i hardly have time to scratch my balls... how to accomplish that?
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post May 6 2013, 09:34 AM

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Except holidays, to scampered 2 hours is tough, anything more, will have to turn pro..liao!
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you don't need to turn pro... you just need to turn jobless...

the crucial factor of being able to cycle day and night...
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QUOTE(butthead @ May 6 2013, 09:36 AM)
you don't need to turn pro... you just need to turn jobless...

the crucial factor of being able to cycle day and night...
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Pro comes to mind...free equipment and salary...ma!
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you haven't even go through the amateur categories... how you want to become pro?

free equipment? this is free lar
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salary?? this much ada lar...
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post May 6 2013, 09:59 AM

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Joining Bradley eh.. earning £. in the parallel universe can dream only.
China has Pro rider..no Malaysian in Pro Tour or Continental team?

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Pro no... continental yes...

i dun want to join sky... i am a sexybank guy...
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Shoulder to shoulder with Clenbuterol A.C. would be nice.

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