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howszat
post Apr 10 2013, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 10 2013, 09:21 PM)
Actually that fund is investing in property sector and PM claimed to be a REIT fund during launch.

I'm not if the objective is still intact.
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Is this about PFEPRF?

In general terms, never just look at the launch and what they said, or the prospectus alone. Look at the latest few quarterly reports (or whatever they have), or even the fund factsheet, for more information about what the fund manager(s) are actually doing rather than the vague, generalised information in the prospectus.

In addition, the same fund manager(s) may have good years previously but not this year, or there may have been a change of managers, or the fund objectives may not be suitable to the current economic cycle, or a few other things I'm not aware of.


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post Apr 10 2013, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 10 2013, 05:09 PM)
Gila shakehead.gif

Cari potential partner tu lain cerita. Unker gark matchmaker/papasan? brows.gif
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That day at airplane met grand daughter of the owner of kapal api coffee. Young and preety, family worth billions. Want to introduce? brows.gif she say her hobby is travel round the world, currently study at england. Interested? whistling.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 10 2013, 10:27 PM)
Well, I'm stating the fact.

Even the other PM agent admitted that PFEPRF wasn't shinning during its first year. That's why I switched out. whistling.gif

I also admitted that I have made a couple of bad investment choices with PM too.

Never invest blindly.
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I put up a query about the recent bad performance of Pacific Global Stars Fund at FSM forum, they said they already forwarded my query to Pacific Mutual. See how fast they respond and how's the response like. If I write direct to Pacific Mutual, doubt that they will respond cos I don't maintain an investment account with Pacific Mutual, they won't respond to a nobody, would they? tongue.gif

QUOTE(gark @ Apr 10 2013, 10:43 PM)
That day at airplane met grand daughter of the owner of kapal api coffee. Young and preety, family worth billions. Want to introduce? brows.gif  she say her hobby is travel round the world, currently study at england. Interested? whistling.gif
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I cannot afford to maintain such bini sad.gif

QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 10 2013, 10:28 PM)
Is this about PFEPRF?

In general terms, never just look at the launch and what they said, or the prospectus alone. Look at the latest few quarterly reports (or whatever they have), or even the fund factsheet, for more information about what the fund manager(s) are actually doing rather than the vague, generalised information in the prospectus.

In addition, the same fund manager(s) may have good years previously but not this year, or there may have been a change of managers, or the fund objectives may not be suitable to the current economic cycle, or a few other things I'm not aware of.
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Yeah, just look at what happened to Pacific Global Stars Fund recently. It won awards for best equity fund for past 3 and 5 years, during which it outperformed its peers. But past 3 months underperformance wiped out all the good work doh.gif

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post Apr 10 2013, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 10 2013, 10:28 PM)
Is this about PFEPRF?

In general terms, never just look at the launch and what they said, or the prospectus alone. Look at the latest few quarterly reports (or whatever they have), or even the fund factsheet, for more information about what the fund manager(s) are actually doing rather than the vague, generalised information in the prospectus.

In addition, the same fund manager(s) may have good years previously but not this year, or there may have been a change of managers, or the fund objectives may not be suitable to the current economic cycle, or a few other things I'm not aware of.
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Well, IIRC, PFEPRF should be one of the earliest REIT fund in the market when SC approved to allow REIT into the market.


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post Apr 11 2013, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 10 2013, 08:53 PM)
Try REIT funds like AmAsia Pacific REIT.

It invests heavily onto REIT at Singapore, Australia and Hong Kong.
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thanks will look into that...

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 10 2013, 09:02 PM)
Or that Am Leisure something fund? AmInvestment got 2 new funds on FSM, u guys did not notice?
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will check them out...

QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 10 2013, 09:08 PM)
I thought you're interested with the sins fund.

He's looking for REIT or property fund.
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reit/properties are first target.. sins funds/market is considered cyclical ?


QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 10 2013, 11:31 PM)
Well, IIRC, PFEPRF should be one of the earliest REIT fund in the market when SC approved to allow REIT into the market.
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thanks

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Apr 11 2013, 12:53 AM)
reit/properties are first target.. sins funds/market is considered cyclical ?
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cyclical your head doh.gif

economy crash also Toto good business, casino business EVEN BETTER cos pokai ppl wanna try their luck, alcohol sales boom cos ppl no $$$ wanna drink away their sorrows, same for cigarette brows.gif
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post Apr 11 2013, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 01:11 AM)
cyclical your head doh.gif

economy crash also Toto good business, casino business EVEN BETTER cos pokai ppl wanna try their luck, alcohol sales boom cos ppl no $$$ wanna drink away their sorrows, same for cigarette brows.gif
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not sure sarcasm or proper point ... or maybe its too late and im blurrr
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Apr 10 2013, 01:02 PM)
For the first 6 months, RSP sales charge are capped at 1% for funds that are listed in RSP Plan
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RSP as in retirement savings plan? But I think I too young to go into that.. Its a 30 year commitment if I enter now..
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post Apr 11 2013, 07:57 AM

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Regular savings plan encik. RSP, not PRS. lol
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Apr 11 2013, 07:57 AM)
Regular savings plan encik. RSP, not PRS. lol
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PRS ,

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post Apr 11 2013, 01:15 PM

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Guys, no spamming please.

Back to main topic. Anybody bought HAQ?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 11 2013, 01:15 PM)
Guys, no spamming please.

Back to main topic. Anybody bought HAQ?
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No point to buy all those funds, in case u buy it is your 100% job to do the researches.

I do not know why people paying management fees, but asking other forumers to do researches for them ?

Is it fair ?

Damn smart yawn.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 11 2013, 01:15 PM)
Guys, no spamming please.

Back to main topic. Anybody bought HAQ?
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i top up abit only:)
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 11 2013, 01:31 PM)
No point to buy all those funds, in case u buy it is your 100% job to do the researches.

I do not know why people paying management fees, but asking other forumers to do researches for them ?

Is it fair ?

Damn smart  yawn.gif
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what do you mean ?
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post Apr 11 2013, 10:21 PM

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Now dividend announcement page at FSM got display gross distribution and net distribution already, we can calculate the distribution ourselves rather than wait for the dividend e-mail rclxms.gif
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post Apr 11 2013, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 10:21 PM)
Now dividend announcement page at FSM got display gross distribution and net distribution already, we can calculate the distribution ourselves rather than wait for the dividend e-mail rclxms.gif
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yes finally my funds +gain rclxm9.gif small2 capital

OSK-UOB Smart Income Fund RM 36.39 Dividend = 9%
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust RM 162.89 Dividend =13.5%
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust RM 85.86 Dividend =11%


how much to you target for your funds?

bond : 7%
balance : 9%
equity : 11%

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post Apr 11 2013, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(kangwoo @ Apr 11 2013, 10:47 PM)
how much to you target for your funds?

bond : 7%
balance : 9%
equity : 11%
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I don't really set individual target for different class of funds. For me, as long as my portfolio as a whole beats EPF, I'm happy.

OSK-UOB Income Fund kena quite a lot of tax (or maybe expenses?)...gross RM0.07, net RM0.06. That's RM180+ of income "lost" mad.gif

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QUOTE(kangwoo @ Apr 11 2013, 10:47 PM)
OSK-UOB Smart Income Fund                  RM 36.39          Dividend    = 8%

bond : 7%
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Eh, Smart Income Fund is not really a bond fund...it can have up to 30% exposure in small-mid cap Malaysian equities, u aware of that? unsure.gif
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post Apr 11 2013, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 10:52 PM)
I don't really set individual target for different class of funds. For me, as long as my portfolio as a whole beats EPF, I'm happy.

OSK-UOB Income Fund kena quite a lot of tax (or maybe expenses?)...gross RM0.07, net RM0.06. That's RM180+ of income "lost" mad.gif
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how do we know the tax?


QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 10:58 PM)
Eh, Smart Income Fund is not really a bond fund...it can have up to 30% exposure in small-mid cap Malaysian equities, u aware of that? unsure.gif
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balance fund rite...only hav 1 bond...cimp principal bond rm65.... 5.5% ...less than epf




if bought fund a few days before expire date, entitle for dividend?

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post Apr 11 2013, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(kangwoo @ Apr 11 2013, 11:09 PM)
how do we know the tax?

if bought fund a few days before expire date, entitle for dividend?
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Have to see the Tax Voucher then only know whether that RM0.01 gone is due to tax or expenses. But my guess is expenses, as based on last Financial Statements, OSK-UOB Income Fund's incomes does not attract any tax charge.

Basically what they tell u in the Tax Voucher is:

Gross distribution
- Taxation
- Expenses
= Net distribution

E.g.
Fund gross income = RM10m
Total expenses = RM2m
Fund net income = RM8m

FM declares RM5m distribution i.e. 50% of gross income

Let's imagine u own 100% of the fund's units laugh.gif

Your Tax Voucher will look something like this:
Gross distribution: RM5m
Expenses: RM1m
Net distribution: RM4m

Any fund accountant around? I'm only a ciplak junior accountant, my understanding may be wrong notworthy.gif
But u get the general idea? icon_idea.gif

As long as u bought before ex-date, u are entitled to the distribution. But in case u have not read the FAQs on Post #1, distributions/dividends mean nothing to the value of your investments. Let's say u buy just 1 day before ex-date, the effect of distribution is like 10 - 1 + 1 = 10.

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