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Unkerpanjang
post Mar 9 2022, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 9 2022, 10:23 AM)
Just hate those entitled leeches or their supporters.
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The rising inequality, consequences of contemporary capitalism add fuel to democratic docialism. Its a battle btw 2 ideology.

Real problem is with rising inflatio n leaks, the once upper middle class might get downgraded to upper B40.
When that happens, mindset change n oso ask for taxing the rich, mmt, food stamps, etc.

Its growing trend...the great politicians will always play the minds of the poor...as the number of rich is shrinking.
Just like stocks...once many great companies are dying/dead, except the top 5 getting richer.

Kwsp offer 6.1% dividend, but if we study real inflation..is it 2%, 5% or 10%?

Comparatively, our purchasing power gets eroded...just how slow. Those who find themselves in 40s, 50s w/o $1m nest egg getting desperate n frustrated.
Grabbing at straws.

Normally, unker dont write too much...wfh (open laptop), due to colleague positive case.

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Unkerpanjang
post Mar 20 2022, 03:13 PM

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Happy Sunday,
Unker says many intelligent forumers here.
Must control our minds towards positive thoughts and financial workarounds.
Negative posts amplify negative thoughts by 50x.
Every Country has its own problems.
Concentrate on those actions within your control....enuf stress in our daily lives.
To be in this thread shows u r financially afloat compared to many unfortunate souls.
Just continue on your wealth journey...noted some needs to move faster, others stroll along, while a few are sipping tea n admiring the sunrise.
Unkerpanjang
post Oct 10 2022, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 10 2022, 10:58 AM)
In my opinion,... Gold price will start reversing up when the Consumer Sentiment Index starts to drop.
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Alamak, i think rest of forumers are earning salary in USD.
Just google gold price chart in myr, sgd, thb, sri lanka, aud, pound, yen, won, pesos, etc etc...just extend to months n years.
We'll come to a rational conclusion wnether gold $ up, down or flat.
Unker too free today. In same 1 day timeframe, bitcoin oso down....except xrp up trend.

Oops, unker Out of Topic.

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Unkerpanjang
post Dec 20 2022, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 20 2022, 10:43 AM)
Someone please enlighten me:

It is reported that in 2021, EPF gave the biggest total payout of Rm56.7 billion.
Yet in 2020 to 2021, it is reported that there were many special withdrawals. This would have reduced the total asset holding at 2021 which qualifies for dividend.

So, how is it that the dividend expected for 2022 to be around 5% with difficulty?
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I can only speculate. Art of War.

1st 9 months 2022 bad work from previous govt.

Expect 2023-2024 bumper dividends?

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post Dec 20 2022, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 20 2022, 10:55 AM)
Those were the reported outflows. That's a total of 145.35 million plus a reduced in flow into EPF.
Therefore, the income to award a % should be much lower and yet we read that 5% is a struggle.

EPF should not be dictated by the govt. They have their own independent consultants and management on investing?
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Will look out for the 200+ political appointees , if any in kwsp.
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post Dec 20 2022, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Dec 20 2022, 05:06 PM)
Just because one can treat epf as bank account doesn't mean it is.

If you fulfill the requirements, u can treat epf as a savings account in terms of withdrawal.
However, the return is not guaranteed except the min 2.5% part.

The discussion here about the financial numbers being irrelevant is just in reference to actual div rate declared vs actual portfolio return of Epf holdings. Epf can over or under declare and there is no law to govern this. Robbing Paul to pay Peter is real.
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The 2 unkers here are near 60 yo, still gainfully employed. Memang kwsp is a high yield savings account la....oso sadly, we both are the Peters. We are the robber accomplices. Most pension funds are deficit funding, burden on next gen.

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post Dec 23 2022, 07:36 PM

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[quote=Ankle,Dec 23 2022, 06:38 PM]
At the end of the day its back to meritocracy.

More savings equals more dividends.

Its a very fair thing.
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I just need to emphasize 'meritocracy' meant to cover talent, effort & aspiration....it will cover a from brain surgeon till a rubbish collector.
Loudest are those that play the helpless victim.
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post Dec 25 2022, 06:27 AM

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Here's wishing everyone...aim to be above average! Merry Christmas n Haply New Year...Heng! Huat! Ong!

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Unkerpanjang
post Dec 26 2022, 06:22 AM

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Imho, working past 55++ yo is a privilege. Indirectly it means a person is physically fit, intellectually, mentally n emotionally contributing to an Org...and $$ supporting many other families (vendors, hawkers, colleagues etc) thru economic transactions.

Retire way too young, and the $12-15k monthly passive income wont bring life of luxuries. Stocks dont go up always, hence during such lean times, stay productive thru work or side biz.

One school of thought, Fed will not pivot immediately (after 1 decade of QE). Expect a longer n deeper pain for S&P, Russel n Crypto (included.)

Of course, theres many forumers whose already a sidelines drinking tea...Fried Rice, Dr Doraemon, D-r-w-y-k, respect their achievements n karma!
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post Dec 26 2022, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 26 2022, 06:24 AM)
Why are you in a hurry?
I have just changed my interest and started a new project in my company.
It's like a hobby. Enjoying it!

Question to those intending to retire at around 45:
Are you guys single?
10 to 15k in future ain't much!
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Hello, next time need to coordinate our responses...so that readers dont waste time digesting msg with similar responses, values.
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post Dec 26 2022, 06:49 AM

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QUOTE(Kopistall @ Dec 26 2022, 06:39 AM)
One last round also cannot ? Let's say rm30k.
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A kwsp member with investment in excess of $1M can withdraw the excess $ anytime.
E.g. member A 29 yo has $1.9M, can withraw $900k immediately, go kwsp office.
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post Dec 27 2022, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(Kopistall @ Dec 27 2022, 06:23 AM)
Wow.1.9m. How to get that amount ? I just want rm30k.
Why are you guys so against the withdrawal? Epf no assets ? No money liao ? Pokai kosong liao is it ?
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Hello bro, so many other things to sell b4 you think of withdraw your kwsp...in random sequence.
1. FD
2. Asnb
3. Sspn
4. Underperforming stocks
5. Refinance your bmw
6. Sgp forex
7. Ark etf
8. Biz refinancing
9. Borrow $ from your gf parents
10. Gold
11. Rolex, AP, PP
12. Others?

Alternatively, starting thinking 2nd job ... Go Sgp work.
If really in deep shit trouble, go AKPK thread top of lowyat page.

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post Dec 30 2022, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(Kopistall @ Dec 30 2022, 04:51 AM)
Nice knowing epf is lenient to you. But how about me ? Let's say I need the money to spend or buy whatever I like. Is it possible epf will be lenient or not ?
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Can someone help explain meaning in hokkien or cantonese? Thanks in advance for your leniency. Help me vote the appropriate reason..

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post Jan 16 2023, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jan 16 2023, 09:22 AM)
in general sense, no majorly impact, if any
we (contributors) get dividend from epf

epf give dividend from their (re)investment

if epf need to liquidate asset to convert to $$ special epf withdrawal, it may impact our dividend in the end

if epf manage the fund carefully, there should be less to no impact to us.
but................ epf doesnt actually disclose how much of their investment profit flows back to contributors and shareholders (including epf and govt themselves) --- cmiiw, just my basic understanding lah biggrin.gif
so, epf can say "economic not good", "pandemic", "china borders were closed back in 2022", etc etc

how much special epf withdrawal impacted our dividends, i guess nobody would know for a certain.
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Wow! Actually this morning Unker very senang in office, after housekeeping n sweep floor, no other work. Lady boss oso no come check yet. Unker lepak.

Unker want to reply your post one...but see Senior write so cheem (deep n cover all angles) n rational, Unker just delete reply la.
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post Jan 16 2023, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2023, 09:32 AM)
Unker.
Please reply.
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Bro, Happy New Year...this year Australia come to you, or you go to Australia? Huat, Ong, Hee...this year we gold bug thread ..sure #1, lar.
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post Jan 16 2023, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jan 16 2023, 09:37 AM)
haiya unker, my simplistic view only la  laugh.gif

got some good insights, please share share
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Bro, in all honesty, a well written n articulated response.
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post Jan 16 2023, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2023, 01:41 PM)
I am not living in U.S. I am in the good nation of Malaysia.
Therefore my benchmark is MYR.

Exactly, it is for wealth/value preservation. Worked for me so far.
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Bro, Bro sekalian,

Hahaha, I actually quite good deduction skills le. As I continue to suspect, some forumers are framing their opinion based on different geographic locations.

Soon, Bro oso cakap based on Ozzie ar? Wah, I will feel very lonely, alone in Malaysia leh.
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post Jan 16 2023, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2023, 03:24 PM)
No leh....
Just visiting my children over there.
No plans to migrate.
However, I may bring those 10oz gold Roos back home to Perth mint in the future.  laugh.gif
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post Jan 16 2023, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2023, 03:38 PM)
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Queen head still best...!!!

Sorry all, out of topic....just couldn't help it. Beauty!
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post Jan 16 2023, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 16 2023, 03:35 PM)
while not really directly related to EPF...

when one thinks about retirement funds/assets, diversity and safety of capital are key... no longer just about returns.
simple reason: time and energy in general are no longer in the retiree's favor.

So, make sure that whatever plan/strategy one execute, needs to be robust. If possible, aim to see if one's plan can afford one to live in a few different countries... I pick MY, SG, JP, AU, UK, US.... at least can run to those countries should other countries (ie malaysia for now) be in trouble.

edit: obviously MY cost is the cheapest for now... but what if MYR goes up to 2.88 against usd?
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Bro Wedchair,

If USD dumps...I think kwsp dividends will oso drop. 25% in USA denominated funds? But, the dollar milkshake guy, Brent of Santiago Fund n Jim Rickards says many more years b4 it happens.

But how come we only hear Ang moh cakap, we Asians really need to step up le...maybe, it's language barrier.

I beginning to think Jakarta has inclusive culture le....maybe, open roti shop there. Shud be great travel opportunity, big country.....or even Sarawak.


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