Yes...i do look at the lives of saints.....eg my elder.
He is a rich man who lives simple life in helping out others, etc.

BUT ultimately, i do NOT follow man........i follow JESUS.......the PERFECTor of our faith


12 What I mean is that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," or "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Cephas," or "I follow Christ." 13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

biblically.. worship day is not on sunday.. but saturday y0..
the whole world is deceived over this false worship system to dupe lots of folks to break the 4th commandments head-on..

but of kos, God shall make this choice to everybody once again.. at the end of tiems y0..

so choose wisely..

ooo feeding the poor people...

"Team Bahtera", has God's mandate to feed the nation (indonesia). not only city (semarang).

Interestingly, they oso involve in the spiritual realm / prophetic movements a lot.

The pastor Petrus Agung highlighted that such a big burden are simply not possible, therefore the answer is going supernatural

Recent project is farming related project cost about 200.000.000.000 rupiah, which i think around RM 70 billion.

Now back to malaysia, imho you need to help your elder, the rich man, more. So he can helping more people. either financially, food, medical or whatever.
Try to give beyond your natural resources / capability. perhaps you can start thinking how can i help my elder to give him 1 Million ringgit so he can help more people. well, you trust him rite ?

wat is tat?.. sounds liek MLM y0..

I agree... it was once on saturday, not sunday.

naa... he gave me contact number n church info. it's church not MLM lar...

still.. wat is diamond/gold happening?!?

that's what i want to find out oso hahahah... you scroll up little bit to see some of his postings

Hahah ... don't focus on these things .... we need more gold, silver and precious stones within us .... that is more crucial

i oso think like that in the past, until the LORD moves me in my heart to start thinking for other people.

I need those precious metal to feed poor people. even still have poor relatives in my home country indonesia ... that depends on my monthly support imho

This post has been edited by de1929: Feb 6 2013, 01:28 PM

ooouu.... vry pentacostal indeed
lots of manifestations.. lots of delusions.. that's really end tiem prophesy riao..

Rich man BUT he does not indulge.........

i dont have i million ringgit........God gives me enough ........

SO how did you know that was the Lord at the Binny Hinn concert?

Actually Sabbath is from 6pm Fri till 6pm Saturday.............

sun down.. to sun down..
but y the whole world marvels at the beast n its image?.. cunning n awsm hor?

Hi TIk,

Are you a 7th day adventist?

Nowadays our sabbath is in Christ, not a day...........

Col 2
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Heb 3

7Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith , To day if ye will hearhis voice,8Hardennot your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:9When your fathers temptedme, provedme, and sawmy works forty years.10Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said , They doalway err in their heart; and they havenot knownmy ways.11So I swarein my wrath, They shallnot enterinto my rest.) 12 Take heed , brethren, lest there bein any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departingfrom the livingGod.13But exhort one another daily , while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.14For we are madepartakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;15While it is said , To day if ye will hearhis voice, hardennot your hearts, as in the provocation.16For some, when they had heard , did provoke : howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.17But with whom was he grievedforty years? was it not with them that had sinned , whose carcases fellin the wilderness?18And to whom sware he that they shouldnot enterinto his rest, but to them that believed not ? 19So we seethat they couldnot enter inbecause of unbelief.

Heb 4

1 Let ustherefore fear , lest, a promise being left us of enteringinto his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it . 2For unto us was the gospel preached , as well as unto them: but the word preached didnot profitthem, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3For we which have believed do enterinto rest, as he said , As I have swornin my wrath, if they shall enterinto my rest: although the works were finishedfrom the foundation of the world.4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.5And in this place again, If they shall enterinto my rest.6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must entertherein , and they to whom it was first preachedenterednot inbecause of unbelief:7Again, he limiteth a certain day, sayingin David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said , To day if ye will hearhis voice, hardennot your hearts.8For if Jesus had giventhem rest , then would he not afterward have spokenof another day.9 There remaineththerefore a rest to the people of God.10For he that is enteredinto his rest, he also hath ceasedfrom his own works, as God did from his.11 Let us labourtherefore to enterinto that rest, lest any man fallafter the same example of unbelief

Honestly, i don't know. FAITH i guess ? you like to use that word hahaha

have you read/heard about the reformation then?
am not an adventist just yet..

but wht if.. wht u described frm the scriptures here is comprehensively true in that context..
then wht sort of global deception are we all in today? why are the "mark" so important (and what is it..)?
i follow the truth.. not the denominations.. cos i notis that almost all church has in some sense, infiltrated edy..

the scripture u pikkap only focus on the "rest"... but the "rest" does have a specific day/time and it's eternal, it's even depicted in revelations too..

Faith is supported and discerned by the WORD of God, not by feelings.
Feelings can be manipulated ............

The rest/sabbath is in Jesus. Its not marked by a day..........

The worship in Revelation is not specifically describes as THE sabbath. We will have entered into eternal rest in Jesus by then.
No more need of any specific day or time. We will be worshipping Him forever and ever.

i dont think the mark is specifically a phsyical mark. Rather like the seal of the Holy Spirit on us believers,
the non believers are 'marked' by the beast name

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth upfor ever and ever: and they haveno rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

They will have no rest but torment.... while believers

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write , Blessed are the dead which diein the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may restfrom their labours; and their works do follow them.

is tht what u choose to believe?... i is have the same perception as u do vry vry last tiem.. but i don't this perception now.
i dun ascribed to wht u say there.. cos, there're so many other parts of the scriptures that supports it and it's in harmony and consistent from beginning to the end..

u is care for some bible sharing?