Sounds very gnostic and new age....

Where in scriptures does it say prayer lead to 'enjoying God'?

God has created us with feelings and thoughts...

We need to set aside these for 'God to follow us in prayer'?

Where is this in scriptures?

The few statements like " The more we pray, the more we touch God’s presence and the more we absorb God Himself. The more we pray, the more we are filled with God." ,"we have reached God, gained God, and absorbed God", "we need to touch God, pass through God, and allow Him to pass through us ", smacks of new age spirituality......

many thanks for all the prompt replies, u guys are awesome.

. Gnostic philosophy refers the rudimentary teachings of both Jews and Gentiles, consisting of ritualistic observances in such things as meats, drinks, washings, and asceticism (Col. 2:8, 16, 20-22; Titus 1:14-15). Gnosticism is a composition of Greek and Oriental philosophy and Jewish religion. It deals with conviction that material things are inherently evil.

New Age? I think you are confused ... new age spirituality is pretty esoteric and nothing to do with even the concept of God. I think this is more a lack in Christians today toward the inner life writings (not Pentecostal).

To experience Christ is a matter in our human spirit (Rom. 1:9; 1 Cor. 14:14; 16:18; 2 Cor. 2:13). But to enjoy Christ is a matter when the sense of the Spirit / intuition though the abiding in Christ permeate our human emotion, that is why, there is enjoyment. When we pray to experience various attributes or virtues of Christ, we enjoy the peace, life, joy, strength etc in our circumstances.

There is a deep revelation in the Bible that God wants to be man's life and enjoyment. God is our life. Immediately after creating man in Genesis, God placed man in front of the tree of life (2:8-9). At the end of Revelation the tree of life is still present (22:2). The tree of life signifies God Himself. God is the source of life. When God says that He wants man to come to the tree of life, He means that He wants man to touch Him. God wants to enter into man to be his life.

The Bible uses food and drink to speak of the relationship between God and man. Man needs food and drink in order to exist. He needs to eat, and he needs to drink. Every day we depend on these two things. If we do not eat or drink, we will die. The Bible shows that God is our food, and He is our living water. He comes to us to be our bread.

In the Old Testament we see these types. When the children of Israel began their journey through the wilderness, they had no food or drink. Then God performed a miracle and supplied them with food and drink. Their food did not grow out of the ground but came down from heaven. Their drink did not come from wells, which they dug, but from a smitten rock. Those in the Old Testament did not know the significance of this. One day, however, the Lord Jesus came. He was God come in the flesh, God among men. His goal was to be received by man and to become man’s enjoyment. He said that the manna in the Old Testament was only a type and that He was the bread that comes down from heaven (6:48-51). He is the true manna. He can satisfy man’s hunger and fill man from within. The Lord also said that He would be lifted up and that His body would be broken and out of it would flow living water. The living water is the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit enters man, He satisfies man’s thirst and flows out of man as a river of living water to quench the thirst of others (7:37-38). These verses show that as God, Christ becomes man’s enjoyment. He wants to enter into us to be our food and our living water. He wants us to eat Him and drink Him every day.

The Bible says that God enters into us to be our light of life (8:12). The Bible also says that God is our strength (Psa. 18:1). In order for a man to live, he also needs love, joy, and comfort. The Bible clearly says that God is love (1 John 4:8), for our enjoyment by our abiding in Him (1 John 2:5, 27-28; 3:6, 24).

How can we substantiate God's riches except through prayer? (Eph. 6:18)

1 Corinthians 6:17 says, “He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.” We also need to see the move of the Spirit in our heart. Galatians 4:6 says, “And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father!” Romans 5:5 says that “the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.” These verses tell us that the Spirit is moving in our hearts. Ephesians 3:17 says that Christ is making His home in our hearts, and 2 Corinthians 4:6 says that God is the One who shines in our hearts. John 14:20 is the classic verse showing the Triune God wants to be ONE with us.

Romans 8:23 says, “And not only so, but we ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan in ourselves, eagerly awaiting sonship, the redemption of our body.” The thought in this verse is also that the Holy Spirit has been given to us for our enjoyment. Romans 5:5 shows that our enjoyment of the Spirit is a matter of love in the heart.

In 1 Corinthians 2:16 Paul said, “We have the mind of Christ.” Christ must saturate our mind from our spirit, making our mind one with His. We must give Him more and more ground to spread out of our spirit into our mind. That means our mind will be saturated with His mind, and we will have His mind. In the same principle, our emotion will be saturated with His emotion. In other words, our love will be saturated and permeated with His love. Thus, we will have His love in our love. Also, our will must be saturated with His will. Eventually, we can say that we have His heart as our heart because He has made His home in our heart. Our mind, emotion, and will must be thoroughly saturated, renewed, and transformed with Christ (2 Cor. 3:18). Then we will have the heart of Christ as our heart. This is the context that we need to put aside our opinions and ability and let the Lord's desire be our desire.

Isaiah 45:11 Thus says Jehovah, The Holy One of Israel and the One who formed him, Ask Me about the things to come concerning My sons, And concerning the work of My hands, command Me [God].

This is a prayer in ascension when one is fully one with God and God fully one with man ....


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This post has been edited by pehkay: Feb 5 2013, 04:00 PM

Hi prophetjul,

Gnostic / New Age are counterfeit of real enjoyment with Our Christ. Devil come to steal, destroy, etc..etc.. but I (Christ) come to give live n live abundantly. (forgot the verses)

Of course devil cannot 100% copy that, so many presbyterian guard their mindsets with thinking that spoky..spoky stuffs must be new age... which is good.

on the other side, if u wanna explore, it is better you have mentor / coach before entering new experience as this, or , to play safe, just don't try. Still go to heaven lar... with / without spoky2x experiences...

I personally more focusing on heart attitude but i dunno know, even i don't like those "touch God, pass through God" things... / spoky2x thing, but i hate to say this, it seems that Holy Spirit wants me to dismantle my thinking and start exploring... that's why i asked Z1000 contact person of thos gold / diamond related churches; to have enough data.

In order not to get loss; I need to balance it with bro / sister in my church n lowyat.net n some bro n sis from many denomination.. this is my personal experiences n journey as of now...

This post has been edited by de1929: Feb 5 2013, 04:09 PM

The Law produces mean people.

The Bible says those who live by it will need to uphold it perfectly all their lives.

Maybe that's why some Christians becomes cranky and judgemental

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 5 2013, 08:19 PM

This is the problem of funny things we come in contact with :/ . Things like ghost passing through things/person ... spooky veils

Romans 11:36 says, “Because out from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.” Some versions translate out from Him as “of Him,” and others translate it “from Him.” The meaning in the original language is “out from Him.” Through Him may be translated as “passing through Him.” This is similar to someone needing to pass through a bridge in order to cross from one side of a river to the other side. All things may be translated as “all,” including persons, things, and affairs. All persons, events, and things are out from Him, pass through Him, and eventually are unto Him.

Out = Source = All Work Being of God, Not of Man

Through = God Needing Man in His Work and Man Needing God in God’s Work ... what a mingling!

To = The goal, glory, eventually, what we or God gain is Himself.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Feb 5 2013, 06:01 PM

serious? you believe in ghost, pehkay?

No lar. I was attempting to make a tongue in cheek. I am saying because we know/read all these things ... That become a veil to stop us from seeing a revelation or truth of God's working through us. Like we can touch God spiritually, not meant physically or some strange experience.

Actually no worries, more or less I understand what you're trying to expound.

I have peace when I saw your post.

Prophetjuls perhaps has not been given the revelation of the unveiling of this experience.

Ok i maybe steching it a bit.......
Jewish religion? i hope you are not refering to the olde jewish religion, Because if you call that gnostics as in post christianity, we are in trouble.
In post Jesus, we have all the Revealed Truth in order to know God.
We have many post Jesus 'christian' gnostics who claimed further 'new' revelations..trying to add to the
Truth........that in my view is gnosticism post Jesus. Jesus has already fufllied the OT Truths.
Theres no other new revelations on top of that taught by Jesus.
examples of post Jesus gnostics would be Marcion, Joseph smith, etc.





Those few short statements you use shew new age-ism...finding god within....through ....contmpletive methods......conneecting God and ourselves......becoming one......



Where do those verses allude prayer leads to 'enjoyment'?
i am not arguing that we have no spirit....but where does thae scripture point prayers to Enjoying God?



but I will pray with my mind also;- 1 cor 14



Again..........enjoyment..........it focusses on man, not God. It makes God our source of gratification.
Bible teaches simply God is our life, that i agree. Man has a tendency for hedonism....the world pomotes
hedomism because it sells things.
We dont need to sell God. HE is not for sale. He is the Almighty Creator God. We come to Him because
He is who He is.

Did they enjoy Him?
They murmured agianst manna after a while......Did they accept Jesus? No....they went into adultery
even after ALL those miracles of provisions and protection.. hedonism gets one no where.....
enjoyment is but a fleeting exercise.......

The Bible says that God enters into us to be our light of life (8:12). The Bible also says that God is our strength (Psa. 18:1). In order for a man to live, he also needs love, joy, and comfort. The Bible clearly says that God is love (1 John 4:8), for our enjoyment by our abiding in Him (1 John 2:5, 27-28; 3:6, 24).

How can we substantiate God's riches except through prayer? (Eph. 6:18)




Enjoyment again..........

Where does Romans 5:5 allude to Enjoyment?
It tells us instead of the hope in Jesus Christ.







Do those verses teach that to have the mind of Christ, one becomes one with Him through prayer or the WORD?
Its not about saturating your mind with His mind through contemplative prayers BUT..........thats NEW age-ism

Romans 12
1I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

Romans 10
15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?" 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

So to have the mind of Christ, the mind can only be renewed by the WORD of GOD.

For

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Heb 4:12

Hi

All i can say to you is : SEEK HIM not the manifestations..........ONLY in JESUS can you find LIFE, not enjoyment, not hedonism.

Is it possible to SEEK HIM without manifestation ?

Of course....do you need manifestations to validate His prescene?

OR do you rely on his WORD?


28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Feb 6 2013, 10:04 AM

In indonesia, we are taught to know Christ in person, to experience HIM, reading bible is just to feed our spirit.

What is your definition of experiencing Jesus? That you can materially touch Him?
you do not experience HIS person in material.

you experience HIS WORD through the scriptures in your life.

Feedin your spirit, your mind is experiencing Him. you walk through the bible as HE walked.

Thats called FAITH, without which we cannot please God.

AND faith comes from hearing the WORD of GOD.

I went to Benny Hinn Crusade in Toronta, and i saw something like liquid come and overwhelm me.

Then i know it's the LORD that overwhelm me.

Touch Him, yes.

Experience HIS person in material, yes.

Beenny Hinn is a Fleece monger.......NONE of his purported healings are proven.
He ia heretical word faith preacher who once taught that there were 9 persons of the Godhead!

How do you know its the Lord?

Even Satan can disguise himself.......

2 Cor 14

13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

Oh i see... so what is your Christian role that you follow in this modern world ? :-)

My christian role?

Primarily to be a Disciple of Jesus Christ by

To preach His gospel to the dying......

To be a light in this dark world.

SO how do you 'know' that was the Lord?

no what i mean is role model. There must be some figures or scholar or pastor or leader that we look into.