that is not quite true. no idea what is RWI tho. do fill me in.

Not quite true as most of them, when having interest to seek for an explanation, will accept explanations of Christians. If not why they ask us in the first place right? Some might find their source more believable but i believe most of them will accept the facts that we provide as they are the one's with suspicions.

http://forum.lowyat.net/RealWorldIssues

I feel almost bad for introducing this, but RWI stands for Real World Issues. It's a sub-forum here in lowyat, supposedly used to have "mature" discussions on serious issues relating to religion and politics. Be warned, you are liable to read some very inflammatory postings there. I stopped participating there a few years ago because as unknown warrior posted earlier; many of the discussions there are recycled over and over as new posters don't bother to search/read up on threads that might have their question/answer posted already.

You guys only come out in the early morning

lol, RWI really degraded into the wild west.

You can join 2nd watch night discussion also wat.
It's not that late....or early.

Hi Ray

Since you mentioned you are not a christian, what is your perfect description of the Trinity?

The word "perfect" in my earlier sentence was merely a phrase. I do not claim to be an authority on the subject matter, just that there was no need for someone to tell me that "the Christian god is 3-in-one like shampoo is wrong" because I already know it's incorrect and it's not that simple. All I'm saying that I'm not as lacking in general knowledge as some non-Christians who belittle or simply misunderstood the concept.

In the past I have used this picture:



Someone once said:



and I replied:



This post has been edited by ray123: Jan 21 2013, 12:10 PM

Hey, not a bad start At least All Three Are God is shown. Though I was shocked at some Christians that have a subconscious thingy that the Spirit is a little bit inferior even though verbally they won't say it.

You can get into other "aspects" of the Triune God like eternal coexistence, circuminsession (coinherence) and circumincession (perichoresis).

So what did Abu Umar replied back to you after that?

I don't remember and I don't want to remember. I only recalled that he was set in his mindset and I tried my best to steer the discussion back to the thread (which was about the Allah issue in the Malay language Bible and International Herald Tribune newspaper).

Very good diagram to shew a certain aspect of God.

Would be better represented by the middle bit encompassing the 3 .

You are right its Not simple. Our finite minds can only describe Him with the limitation of our thoughts, speech and words.
Its very diffcult to dssect and classify.

In scriptures, we have hebrew words describing Him as ONE who is yet compound in essence.
However, its interesting to understanding that because of this aspect of Him(compound),
the essence of relationship is found.
Therefore we can have the inter relational descriptions of love, which stems from the Creator who created humans "in His image",
meaning reflecting this one of His attribute.

In the book of Genesis (Torah), there are many reference when God speaks referring to himself, the translation read, We and Us. I believe they subscribe to the book of Moses as well.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


If that isn't clear and plain enough, nothing else will.

Any attempt to explain that away is nothing short of swinging and twisting according to human reasoning.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 21 2013, 01:18 PM

In the grammatical composition of Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew word for God, Elohim, is plural in number, while the predicate created is singular. Go figures ....

The way I understand it, it's a unison relationship for reference sake.

I was praying one day and the Holy Spirit illuminated this to me.

He said,

Whenever you call God, you're invoking all 3 persons at once to attention.

Because at times in mid of my prayer, I would call on Jesus for something, I would call on God the Father for something and I would call the Holy Spirit for something.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 21 2013, 01:29 PM

Noun in plural, verbs in singular.......which incidently goes against Hebrew grammar norms!
Revelation from the most High God!

God is triune for His move, purpose or economy and for our experience and enjoyment (2 Cor 13:14). To enter man, He has to be Triune

In the divine Trinity, the Father is the source, and the Son is the expression. The Spirit is the entering in of the Triune God, the Applier. The Father plans, the Son accomplishes, and the Spirit applies. Hence, the Father is the Planner, the Son is the Accomplisher, and the Spirit is the Applier. The Son has accomplished all that the Father has planned. Now the Spirit comes to apply all the Father has planned and the Son has accomplished. Here we see the Three of the Triune God working together. The Planner is the source, the Accomplisher is the expression, and the Applier is the One who enters into us. When the Spirit as the Applier enters into us, He brings with Him whatever the Father has planned and the Son has accomplished. This is the working of the Triune God—the Father, the Son, and the Spirit—to dispense Himself and all that He has planned and accomplished, and is now applying, into our being.

Yes, the entire Triune God operates. The word used is "...distinct yet not separate".

Contrary to the modern, popular view that the three of the Godhead are and act separably. In many instances of the Gospels especially, John, there is a distinct operation (at that time, the Son gave life), actually, it is also the Father and the Spirit gives life (not separate).

E.g.

For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son to also have life in Himself. (5:26)
As the living Father has sent Me and I live because of the Father. (6:57)
Even as You have given Him authority over all flesh to give eternal life to all whom You have given Him. (17:2)
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,so also the Son gives life to whom He wills. (5:21)

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jan 21 2013, 04:10 PM

this is a really good thread. (Y)

Proclaiming the Gospel of Christ Jesus, the Life of the Believer
Headline News and Events List


The following headlines were revealed to Terry as actual news headlines that we could expect to see over the next 4 years. These are not necessarily in sequence – Terry was given dates, which he saw as beginning approximately from June 15, 2011 through June 15, 2015.



Headlines Received August 2010

1. Washington D.C. Shaken, Rioting and Looting Continue



2. Emergency Meetings being Held by U.S. Senate and Congress



3. Worldwide Economic Confidence Toward U.S.A. Remains Dim



4. Dow Flops and Drops to All-Time Lows; Other Markets Tumble as Well



5. Governors Call for Constitutional Convention



6. Emergency Meetings of Economic Advisors Called in Europe (editor's note: occured July 10, 2011)



7. Asian Markets Seek Stability within Asian Region; Pull Away from USA Begins



8. Martial Law Declared in Nation’s Capital (Washington D.C.)



9. Resignation Fever Hits Washington D.C.



10. Finger-Pointing Continues to Fuel Resignations in Washington D.C.



11. Who Will Pick Up the Pieces? (Editor’s Note: this refers to political offices)



12. New People’s Party Gaining Ground with Hearts



13. Jobless Rate Passes 32 Percent; Expected to Rise



14. The Big Freeze – Government Spending Cut by 50 Percent; Education and Military at Front of Cuts



15. Martial Law Declared in New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Miami, Chicago and Other U.S. Cities



16. Lights Out – Rolling Electric Outages Expected to Continue



17. Here Comes the Sun (editor's note: reported on NPR 11/8/2010, will be reported again)



18. Oh That I Had Wings That I Might Fly Away



19. The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia; Atlanta Area Hit Hardest



20. The Dark Night of the Soul – Plume Cloud Covers Over Half of the U.S.

Headlines Received December 25, 2010

1. The Meteor Showers of 2012 and 2013



2. Northern Oceans Show Signs of Heating Up; 12 Degree Flux



3. Eurodollars in Trouble – Falls to New Low



4. Germany and France Forge Alliance



5. German and French Currency Unveiled; Others Consider Participation



6. Japan Shaken Awake – Early-Morning Quake Measures 7.7; More Tremors Expected



7. Taiwan’s Government Seeks Expanded Powers



8. 9.1+ Quake Rocks Japanese Island



9. Sleepless in Seattle – Mt. Rainier Awakens While Residents Lose Sleep



10. New Americas’ Currency Unveiled – Fosters Angry Debates



11. The Agony of Silence – U.S.N. Trident Submarine Lost



12. Deep in the Heart of Texas – Independence Fervor in Austin; More Rallies Planned



13. Fatal Attraction – The Concerns Over Increased Magnetism of Our Planet (Editor’s Note: this will be a NASA story)



14. Russia and China Face Off – Arguments Heat Up with New Threats



15. India’s Shaky Ground – Northern Quakes Challenge Infrastructure (editor's note: occured 9/20/2011)



16. Philippines Brace for New Violence – Government and Christians Targeted;

Islam’s Cells on the Attack



17. Mexico City Jolted by Bomb – Reprisals Expected



18. Mexico Shaken by Northern Quakes and Eruption



19. Iraq Erupts in Unprecedented Violence; Insecurity Exposed and Oil Threatened



20. Saudi Arabia Halts Oil Flow to U.S.A.



21. Israel Braces for Multi-Front War – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iran and Israel Mobilize; Saudis on Full Alert



22. Greece, Italy, Spain Join German and French Alliance of Economies (Editor’s Note: This will be called the AOE)



23. Canadian Quake Shocks British Columbia – Vancouver Affected



24. Major Rioting in Baltimore Threatens Services and Deliveries



25. The Riots of Montreal Canada; French Disturbance

Headlines Received December 11-12, 2011

1. Pharmaceutical Nightmare; Uncovering the hidden intentions and cover ups, big money vs. the hidden long-term health effects of drugs.



2. Overhauling the FDA; unveiling the corruption of payoffs and buyouts.



3. The Trial for the Unborn - the conscience pulse of our nation. To vote or not to vote, and a nation hanging in the balance.



4. The Taming of the Shrewd! Restrictions and transparency measures increased toward Wall Street investors, insurers, and the business of profit.



5. "I Fell into the Burning Ring of Fire," The Ring of Fire Ablaze!



6. "The Burning of Our Fields," from historical practice to modern catastrophe.



7. The Season of Burning; a South Chicago Blaze, a New York Blaze, and a San Francisco fire.



8. The Embattled Bill of Rights, the Basis of Our Freedoms on Trial.



9. Washington D.C. embroiled! Protestors Unlimited



10. Constitution Questioned, Constitution Opposed, Constitutional Changes, Constitutional Convention. A Line Drawn in the Sand in Texas.



11. Breakup, Breakdown, or Breakthrough, which will it be? United We Stand or Divided We Stand.



12. Protesting the Republican and Democratic Parties. Their power challenged in court.



13. "The Day the Dams Broke," Seismic Activity in the Midwest.



14. "Dust in the Wind," The Kansas nightmare. Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska, Drought, Heat, and Windstorms. Dust Bowl-type conditions.



15. Prices vs. Wages: The Poor, The Wealthy, The Profit Margin, and Battle Lines.



16. "No Military Surplus." A closed pocketbook to military wish lists.



17. The Last battle of the Marine Corps; the few and proud may become fewer. Necessary or Unnecessary? Corps or single Brigade? Will they survive?



18. Islam, American Politics, and Policy. Exploring the boundaries of religious freedom.



19. Oil prices, Oil crisis, and Big Oil in crisis. Manipulation, Money, and Monopolizing.



20. A Nuclear Reactor That's Over-reacting! The threat of radiation poisoning in America.



Headlines Received October, 2012

1. A Band of Brothers - "Rule 101" = State's Rights Governors United to Take a Stand.



2. The Mission Impossible Mission: Helping the Woes of the Euro.



3. "Free Falling": How Do We Stop the Stock Drops?



4. The Leaning Tower of Italy: Will it All Fall?



5. London Bridge is Falling Down: From Stumble to Tumble and Still Falling



6. The Day the Earth Stood Still: The Sum of All Fears.



7. The Silencing of the Lambs: Crack Down on Church Voices and Money.



8. Another Bite Out of the Big Apple: A Shaken City Responds.



9. The Muzzling of the Oxen: Free Speech is Costly!



10. The Postman Isn't Coming: Reduction and Closures of Personnel and Offices.



11. The Day the Dams Broke: Nature's Fury Revealed!



12. The Shots Heard Round the World: "But There Were Some Who Resisted." Face Off Turns Bloody!



13. Slow Down, Melt Down, Crack Down, Show Down: Banks Holding on to Your Money!



14. No Bridge Over Troubled Waters: An Impossible Deluge at the Mississippi River as 8.8 Earthquake Strikes.



15. The Final Countdown: The Insanity to Nuclear Conflict.



16. The Deadly Outbreak: New and Terrifying Children's Diseases.



17. A Cyber War Commences.



18. Survival of the Fittest or Hostile Takeovers? Banking Clan Abolishes the Small Guys.



19. The Northern Bear returns from Hibernation: The Bear's Appetite for Lands and Control!



20. "Hoodwinked", the Innocent Face of the Big Bad Wofl! The Wolf Unmasks Itself, but Some are Not Afraid of the Globalists.



21. The Altered Landscape of Europe: New Nations Emerge from Chaos!