Doesn't matter.

There can be unity in diversity.

Actually praying in tongues is very powerful.

difficult to unity if tongue issue is discussed. trust me, i moved from presbyterian to pentecostal church... i know and i have hands on experience... how about you ? did you endeavor the difficulty that i went through ? or just write comments :-)

You mean to face persecution for supportive of speaking in tongues in real life?

So far God has been graceful to me.

I had hands on experience for other type of persecution but not this one.

maybe you can share your experience since you have hands on.

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Testimomy of Jesus

God’s goal in His creation of man was to have a corporate expression of Himself. According to this goal, man was made in the image of God in order to be His testimony (Gen. 1:26). This means that man was destined to be the expression of God. Because Adam failed God in this respect, Jesus came as the second man (1 Cor. 15:47b) to take the position and function of Adam. Thus, the living person of Jesus is the expression, image, and testimony of God (Col. 1:15). In the same way, the church today is the testimony of Jesus, that is, His expression. In the first chapter of the Bible, man is in the image of God to express God, and in the last two chapters of the Bible there is a building, the New Jerusalem, to express God. According to the book of Revelation, God on His throne has the appearance of jasper, and the New Jerusalem also has the appearance of jasper (4:2-3; 21:11, 18). This means that the entire city is God’s expression in His image. By this we can see the consistency of the Bible from the beginning to the end.

No doubt, there is the matter of our personal salvation in the Bible. We were all lost, and we must believe in the Lord Jesus to be saved. To a certain extent, we also need to seek the Lord to improve our living and conduct. However, this is not God’s consistent goal. God’s consistent goal is to have a unique expression of Himself. Neither the sun by day nor the moon by night can express God. Even the myriads of angels are not qualified or destined to express God; they are simply His servants (Heb. 1:13-14). In the whole universe, only man has the destiny to express God. The meaning of man is that he is to be the expression of God. Man was created not merely to be saved, to go to heaven, or to be a good person with good behavior. Simply to be saved and have a certain behavior are far off from God’s consistent goal. We were all created in the image of God with the destiny of expressing God.

Moreover, the expression of God according to His consistent goal is not individualistic but corporate and collective. We may claim to be expressing God, but it may be in an individual way, not in a corporate way. From the first page to the last, the Bible reveals that what God desires as His expression is corporate. God commanded the Israelites to build only one tabernacle. At that time over a million people were traveling in the wilderness, and that small tabernacle was only thirty cubits long and ten cubits wide, smaller than a common meeting hall (Exo. 26:15-16, 18, 20, 22-23). Nevertheless, that small tabernacle was the unique center for the worship of God. As such, it was the unique expression of God. Since God is one, He did not want to have more than one tabernacle among His people. God is omnipresent, but He does not desire to be omnipresent in that way. We can never divide God’s expression. God is uniquely one, so His expression must also be uniquely one. Similarly, there was only one temple of God in the ancient times. Since there were twelve tribes, it seems logical that each tribe should have had one temple, just as in modern times the United States has fifty states, each with its own legislature. However, our modern wisdom is not superior to God’s wisdom. All the twelve tribes had only one temple, because God’s expression is unique.

Likewise in the New Testament, there is only one church, because there is only one Christ. In the Old Testament there were three unique things: one God, one tabernacle, and one temple. In the New Testament there are also three unique things: one Christ, one church, and one holy city, the New Jerusalem.

you obviously have alot of hate in you despite your good knowledge in the Scriptures, by frequently visiting Satanic websites of hate of anti CCs, heck, I did not do research on Protestants so much as u do on their negatives.

and you obviousy are living in the OT law, since we Christians are living in the age of grace, we no longer look to 10 Commandments but to Love.

And if you continue like this, may Lord have mercy on us all.

1 Cor 12:31—13:13



I've heard arguments from anti-Catholic Protestants who claim that showing respect to a saint by bowing or praying in front of a statue is idolatry.
They also claim that even if you're not worshipping the statue, the mere fact of your actions in front of the statue can lead to idol worship, so you shouldn't under any condition bow or pray in front of a statue.

Well, if we use that same logic, then no one should raise their hand at a prayer rally or bless someone in the same manner because it looks like you're doing a Heil Hitler. The photo below shows just how much like a Heil Hitler that looks. Let's get real folks.



Lesson is: dont judge. Learn to understand.

This post has been edited by Jedi: Feb 28 2013, 05:33 PM

List me one effin miracle from Catholic Testimony that is against the Word of God.

ONE.

You certainly talk alot to bring down others to make yourself look good. and I am very sad with your behaviour. I do pray that you can at least look open-heartedly.

Take your argument with God our Lord. Not us. Because His Grace still works through His Bride. You are spewing baseless accusations and judgement here. Who are we to judge?


Scripture shows Mary would be called blessed by all generations

Scripture clearly shows she is Queen

Scripture shows she is new eve

Scripture shows she is my mother

Scripture shows she is Theotokos

Scripture shows she is alive and not dead

Scripture is clear she is the ark of the covenant that contains the presence of God

Scripture teaches the prayers of the righteous avail much

Scripture shows Jesus listens to Marys intercession

Scripture talks of this woman in revelation and Genesis as powerful

Also, Prayer has different meanings . http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prayer?s=t
noun
1.
a devout petition to God or an object of worship.
2.
a spiritual communion with God or an object of worship, as in supplication, thanksgiving, adoration, or confession.
3.
the act or practice of praying to God or an object of worship.
4.
a formula or sequence of words used in or appointed for praying: the Lord's Prayer.
5.
prayers, a religious observance, either public or private, consisting wholly or mainly of prayer.

in the Bible does Mary not say she will be called Blessed throughout the ages. Tell me which Church is the only ones to do so?. Why do Protestants exclude themselves from this prophecy?. The founders of Protestantism Martin Luther, and John Calvin, both had great devotion to Mary.



Again romans romans romans. Catholics are not just ROMANS. Mind your language please.

On Idolatry, you gave all quotes 96% from the Old Testament. Hey, we are no longer bounded by the old Laws. Bro Unknown Warrior perhaps it would be nice if you would remind our brother we are now in the age of grace?

If we are to look into the Old Testament on Idolatry, further, Let us get the CONtext in place - since u <3 to talk about CONtext all the time.

It certainly would be idolatry if any Catholic thought that the plaster and paint before him in the form of a person was actually a god.
When God wrote this Commandment, the Israelites at that very moment were worshipping an Egyptian god, the golden calf (Exodus 32:4). They were worshipping it as a god. It is not forbidden to have statues.
The Ten Commandments were carried around in the Ark of the Covenant, which had 2 statues of angels on top of it (Exodus 25:22).
Solomon had statues of cherubim in his magnificent temple (Ezekiel 41:19).
Moses had a serpent statue made in the desert, so that all who looked upon it (not worshipped it), would be healed of snake bites (Numbers 21:8).
When people stand up, place their hands over their hearts, and pledge allegiance to a red, white, and blue colored piece of fabric, that is only honoring what it represents, it is not worship.
The exact same thing goes for statues. The devil uses evil imagery on TV, in the movies, on web pages, in magazines, and on billboards to ensnare humans every day; conversely, the Catholic Church uses sacred imagery and art to inspire people to holiness. When you look at a picture of your dead child or parents and start crying, you are not “worshipping” the picture; it is only a reminder of what the person looked like.

The Pope is a servant, just like Peter who serves Lord, Peter is the chair among apostles, every apostles make a decision, and Peter has the final word. Very Scriptural. Do we need to get scriptural to make it clear? If you want I am glad to show you.

He is not the Holy Spirit so no. You are interpreting the Pope as Catholic Christians ' Holy Spirit. You cant do this. He is a man.

Who are we to judge?
while Catholics are accused of being idol worshipers, I've noticed they're the only ones who can kiss a rosary.
During an exorcism, a demon can't even look at the Crucifix. it'll spit, vomit, and curse at the crucifix the moment it sees it.

while Protestants kiss the Bible, I rejoice seeing their love and respect for God. Do they idolise the Bible? certainly not!
when you have your departed parents photo on your table, you bow down and smile and show your respect, are you idolising your parents make them God?

can I conclude that with prophetjuls definition and judgement, he is also saying Japanese idolise and worship each other everyday?
when you kneel down in prayer, can I say that you idolise the floor?

Circular fallacy. . Some would say that it is worship to place your hand over your heart upon reciting the pledge of allegiance, or while hearing the anthem of your country..
Who are you to judge another's practice of reverence?


no. I have made it clear, Faith is the means to get saved, and Grace of God and His authority alone. We do not know who has salvation and who has not. Even the hardest sinner who repented may be saved by His Mercy and His Blood.

Now you have yet to answer my previous questions on the long thread. I want to get to the bottom of this, dont give me the bread of life again bec its symbolic. Because I have answered when John said the word made flesh, it is not symbolic. Please refer my post again (on page 54 I think)

I am suggesting yes, Salvation NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED by our Fruits of Faith.

It is very scriptural and if you want, we can discuss this after the tsunami of idolatry is over.

so you are saying God has chosen you and solely you as the new Leader to replace Peter and His successors, you as the new prophet?


the Truth is protestants subtracted from the Complete Truth, the Bible alone has 66 books, u are reading 66 while the original has 73.

Lets just say I agree with you and I am leaving the Catholic Church because of the Truth I want to follow is only of Sola Scriptura.

Just focus on Jesus, we don't need religion. Religion is bad, its just too organised and wants to tell me how to live my life, and I want to be free to just follow Jesus. So just focus on Jesus, he is all we need.

How does this work out in practice?

Lets say I am the Truth (ridiculous I Know) but pretend I am the truth.

What would it mean to actually focus on me?

How would that work out in practice?

Would every single thing I said and specifically commanded be what you would focus on and want to put into practice?

Would you want to hang onto my every word?

And say I didn't write any of my words down and I wasn't planning to stay around personally but I chose some people to pass my teachings onto, people to guard and protect them.

Say I promised I would be with them always, unto the end of the age.

Would you go to these people to hear my truth, or would you take their book from them and tell them what it means?

Would you take their traditions from them and tell them they were unnecessary and develop better traditions?

Would you take their councils from them, and create your own better Councils?

To focus on Jesus, you come into the Body He wants you to come into, so that what flows from the head, reaches every member of the Body, and nourishment flows to all.

To remain separate from the Body of Christ, is to disconnect yourself form the head, and all your are left with is your own head and follow that you must, and I can promise you that that is a road to confusion, pride, anxiety, division and in the end death.

This is what is happening to you all, from this forum alone, different denominational Christians are already having different interpretations and different 'Truths'

You call this your Truth? that Protestants have the Real Truth?

In fact who am I to judge?

I am here to discuss and encourage inter-faith dialogue. Apparently someone here does not welcome what he sees is a labelled ROMAN Holy Spirit-led brother.

If you insist, I will not resist. Fact.

You can make this a totally protestant Christian Lounge and discuss whatsoever you see fit to call the Truth with your own revelation and anti-CC websites.

Arent we called to love? Arent we called to be one?

What If I tell you, our Mass complements the BiBle?

Biblical Background of Liturgical Texts:

The words spoken by the priests and the people during the Catholic Mass and other Christian liturgies are not only based loosely on the Bible; many of them are direct quotations from particular biblical texts:

Introductory Rites:

Sign of the Cross:
"In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." (Matt 28:19; cf. John 14:13-14; Acts 2:21)
Liturgical Greeting:
"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2 Cor 13:14)
"Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Phil 1:2; Eph 1:2)
"The Lord be with you." (2 Tim 4:22; cf. Matt 1:23; 28:20)
People's Response:
"And with your spirit" (cf. Gal 6:18; 2 Tim 4:22)
Rite of Blessing and Sprinkling Holy Water (see Ezek 36:25; cf. Num 8:7a)
Penitential Act:
Intro: "Let us acknowledge our sins, and so prepare ourselves to celebrate the sacred mysteries." (cf. Ps 51:5)
"I confess to almighty God..." (cf. Lev 5:5; Neh 1:5-9; Dan 9:3-19; James 5:16)
"Have mercy on us, O Lord./ For we have sinned against you. / Show us, O Lord, your mercy. / And grant us your salvation." (Ps 41:4)
"Lord, Have Mercy" (Matt 15:22; 17:15; 20:30-31; cf. Ps 123:3)
Gloria:
"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will" (Luke 2:14; cf. Rev 4:11; 5:11-14)
"We praise you, we bless you, we adore you, we glorify you..." (Cf. Ps 148:13)
"Lord Jesus Christ, Only Begotten Son" (cf. Ps 2:7; John 1:14)
"Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, you take away the sins of the world..." (cf. John 1:29)

Prayers concluded by "Amen" (Neh 8:6; Ps 41:13; Rom 16:27; Heb 13:20-21; Rev 7:16)
Liturgy of the Word:

Introductory/Concluding Dialogues:
"A reading from the book/letter of..."
"The Word of the Lord" (1 Peter 1:25) - "Thanks be to God" (Rom 6:17; 2 Cor 9:15)
"A reading from the holy Gospel according to..." - "Glory to you, O Lord"
"The Gospel of the Lord" - "Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ"
Acclamations before the Gospel:
"Alleluia" (many Psalms, esp. Ps 146-150; Rev 19:1-6)
"Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ, King of endless glory!" (cf. Ps 24:7-10; 1 Thess 2:12; 2 Tim 4:18)
"Praise and honor to you, Lord Jesus Christ!" (cf. Dan 4:34, 37; 1 Peter 1:7)
"Glory and praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ!" (cf. Phil 1:11)
Profession of Faith:
"I believe..." (Mark 9:24; John 11:27; cf. John 14:1; 1 John 5:10)
General Intercessions:
"We pray to the Lord" (Exod 8:29-30; 10:17-18; Jer 42:2-4; Acts 8:22-24)
"Lord, hear our prayer" (2 Kings 20:2-5; Isa 38:2-5)
Liturgy of the Eucharist:

Preparation of the Gifts:
"Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation..." (cf. 1 Chron 29:10; Ps 72:18-19; 119:10; Luke 1:68)
"Blessed be God forever " (cf. )
Eucharistic Acclamations:
"Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God of hosts..." (Isa 6:3; Rev 4:8)
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." (Ps 118:26; Mark 11:9; Matt 21:9; Luke 19:38; John 12:13)
"Hosana in the highest" (Mark 11:10; Matt 21:9; cf. Luke 19:38)
Words of Institution: (see Mark 14:22-24; Matt 26:26-28; cf. Luke 22:17-20; 1 Cor 11:23-25)
"Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body, which will be given up for you" (a combination of Mark 14:22; Matt 26:26; Luke 22:19; 1 Cor 11:24)
"Take this, all of you, and drink from it, for this is the chalice of my Blood, the Blood of the new and eternal covenant, which will be poured out for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins." (a combination of Mark 14:24; Matt 26:27b-28; cf. Luke 22:17, 20; 1 Cor 11:25)
"Do this in remembrance of me" (only Luke 22:19; 1 Cor 11:24a, 25b)
Memorial Acclamations:
"We proclaim your Death, O Lord, and profess your Resurrection until you come again." (cf. 1 Cor 16:22)
"When we eat this Bread and drink this Cup, we proclaim your Death, O Lord, until you come again." (cf. 1 Cor 11:26)
"Save us, Savior of the world, for by your Cross and Resurrection you have set us free." (cf. Matt 8:25; Luke 4:42; Rom 8:21)
Lord's Prayer:
"Our Father in heaven..." (Matt 6:9-13; cf. Luke 11:2-4; Mark 14:36; Gal 4:6)
Doxology: "For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours..."
(found only in some biblical manuscripts after Matt 6:13; cf. Rev 4:11; 11:15; 1 Chron 29:11)
Greeting of Peace:
"Lord Jesus Christ, you said to your apostles, 'I leave you peace, my peace I give you'" (John 14:27)
"The peace of the Lord be with you always." (cf. John 16:33; 20:19, 21, 26)
Breaking of the Bread:
"Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world..." (cf. John 1:29, 36; Rev 5:6-13; 22:1-3)
Preparation before Communion:
"Behold the Lamb of God, behold him who takes away the sins of the world. Blessed are those called to the supper of the Lamb." (John 1:29, 36; Rev 19:9)
"Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed." (Matt 8:8; cf. Luke 7:1-10)
Concluding Rite:

Final Blessing (cf. Gen 28:3; Deut 14:29; Num 6:23-27; Ps 29:11)
Dismissal:
"Go forth, the Mass is ended."
"Go and announce the Gospel of the Lord." (cf. Mark 16:15)
"Go in peace, glorifying the Lord by your life." (cf. Ps 115:1; 1 Cor 10:31; 2 Thess 1:12)
"Go in peace." (cf. Exod 4:18; Deut 10:11-13; Judg 18:6; 1 Sam 1:17; Mark 5:34; Luke 7:50; 8:48)
The Liturgy of the Hours and Other Prayers:

The Canticle of Mary (Magnificat):
"My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord..." (Luke 1:46-53)
The Canticle of Zechariah (Benedictus):
"Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel..." (Luke 1:68-79)
The Canticle of Simeon (Nunc Dimittis):
"Lord, now let your servant go in peace..." (Luke 2:29-32)
The Hail Mary (Ave Maria):
"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you." (Luke 1:28)
"Blest are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb." (Luke 1:42; cf. Deut 7:12-13; 28:4)

Biblical Background for the Christian Eucharist:

The Catholic Mass is not only based on the "Last Supper" that Jesus had with his disciples, but is also influenced by a long history of special meals celebrated by ancient Jews and early Christians, both before, during, and after the lifetime of Jesus:
The first Passover meal of the Israelites in Egypt (Exod 12:1-28)
The annual Jewish Passover meals (Exod 12:43-51; Lev 23:4-14; Num 9:1-14; 28:16-25; Deut 16:1-8)
Jesus' feeding of the 5000 in Galilee (Mark 6:30-44; Matt 14:13-21; Luke 9:10-17; John 6:1-14)
Jesus' feeding of another crowd of 4000 people (Mark 8:1-10; Matt 15:32-39)
Jesus' Last Supper with his disciples (Mark 14:12-27; Matt 26:17-30; Luke 22:7-39; cf. 1 Cor 11:23-25)
The risen Jesus' meal with two disciples at Emmaus (Luke 24:13-35)
The risen Jesus' breakfast at the Sea of Galilee (John 21:1-14)
Early Christians in Jerusalem share in the "Breaking of the Bread" (Acts 2:42-47)
Early Christians in Troas "break bread" with Paul (Acts 20:5-11)
Early Christians in Corinth celebrate the "Lord's Supper" (1 Cor 10:16-17; 11:17-34)


Now I agree with you.

I agree with you too.

Until the tsunami of idolatry is over, I will not discuss about speak in tongues. But I will support you with scriptural backups once u stop judging your brothers and sisters because u hate the romans.
Because I am here to tell you,

Catholics are not just Roman Catholics.

I have been to Ukrainian Catholic Church since I study in Russia.

If I am not Romish, perhaps u would show me a little more love.

Last but not least, I think we have to remember that we are not here to try and convert each other one way or the other, rather to understand each other and celebrate and accept that we are all Christians. We do not have to agree on all points in order to do this.

Because like prophetjul said, in the end there will be the ultimate peace , with 2nd coming, new heavens and new earth.

So I encourage all of us to love, put aside the hate, certainly I pray you dear bro prophetjul, the romish thing.

Just say I am a Catholic Christian, not Romish.

So I am repeating what I said before,

Catholicism and Protestantism do not essentially define our identity, as Christ does.
If I should die and find out that Christ is not my Savior, I could not be me, I could not exist in such a world.

Christ is essential to my very self: “For me to live is Christ.” Philippians 1:21

The Church is like my family: very close to me, loyal to the death.—but not my essence. Saint Paul did not say: “For me to live is Catholicism.” He did not say: “I live, nevertheless not I but Protestantism lives in me.” The only absolute certainty we have is Christ. The unity we already have in Christ includes doctrinal unity, for if we accept the teacher we also accept all his teachings, at least through Scripture. None of the Catholic Church’s interpretations of or additions to Scripture is as important as the scriptural agreements between Protestants and Catholics. The agreements between orthodox Protestants and orthodox Catholics are more important than the agreements between orthodox Catholics and liberal, or Modernist, or demythologized Catholics, and more important than the agreements between orthodox Protestants and liberal Protestants.

Jedi,

Clam down, lifting of hands is in the Bible.

Psalm 63:4 (NIV)
I will praise you as long as I live, and in your name I will lift up my hands.

The Devil wants you to be unsure about your Salvation, God wants you to be assured. So rest easy.

1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

That is why it is flaky to say Salvation depends on the Eucharist as well because if we go by that line of reasoning, those who don't partake of it or missed it some weeks and happened to die in the same week, will have no assurance of salvation. It contradict the strong assurance of Love that God has for you.

Erm, what question again?

Jedi, I have no problem explaining to you even in the heat of arguments because I know and I am fully assured my Salvation is sealed.

There is an internal rest and peace of mind whenever it comes to What God has promised to me of his salvation.

All because it lies Not of anything I have done to maintain it.

That is the meaning of Having Faith in the grace of God.

Do you know who is the one who will maintain my Salvation?

1 Corinthians 1: 8-9 (NIV)
8 He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.


The key is to look away from yourself. Have you done enough, have you obey enough, have you had Faith enough, etc.

That is why you are on shaky ground about Salvation.

Come again.........???

Love is compromising the Truth?

You should refer to the Hymaeus passage again.........

i do know that Paul says Interpretation or STOP......they dont do that in charis churches.............so its NOT edifying
according to PAUL the apostle............

Are you putting practice above scriptures?

i am all the scriptures tells me..........i speak in tongues of man and angels.............but in orderly maanner.
Not because the crowd babble , i babble............if i babble and no one interrets, i stop, no?

Who taught you that praying in tongues is very powerful.

Praying to God and trusting in Him is very powerful.

So was Jesus wrong to call the religious body of the day, VIPERS?
Is that hate?

You call those Satanic websites? Isnt that hate? You dont even understand apologetics....because youplace
pagan traditions above Truth..............Jesus did not do that. He came against the religious institution of manmade traditions

6 He answeredand said unto them , Well hath Esaias prophesiedof you hypocrites, as it is written , This people honourethme with their lips, but their heart isfar from me.7Howbeit in vain do they worshipme, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.8For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do .9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered : and many such like things do ye .

Those verses describes the RCC to the hilt.....

grace does not mean you can sin.....grace requires obedience to the commandments of Jesus.
Grace without obedience is LUST.

Its not about me, ITS about JESUS

Tell me about JESUS in this message



Is that of God? Its ALLL about the LADY...............

Jesus said


13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come , he will guideyou into all truth: for he shallnot speakof himself; but whatsoever he shall hear , that shall he speak : and he will shewyou things to come .14He shall glorifyme: for he shall receiveof mine, and shall shew it unto you.


This Lady spirit does not bring glory to JESUS but itself.............

i do not hate you.......i hate the lies and deception of the ROMAN catholic church........

Grace does not mean you can sin.......
The law reflects/exposes SIN.........if you are allowed to sin, why bother to confess and repent?
If the law is no longer, why confess? Sin on.........
Grace is dependence on God.
BUT its not a passport to be above the law.
If you seriously think because you are in an age of grace you can break these commandments and imply that they are
old ....

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewingmercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

i FEAR for you.........you may exhibit christianity but you do not know the heart of God.

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." -Colossians 2:8

The catholic church is NOT Roman, but the Israel of God......

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Mar 1 2013, 09:08 AM

lol banyak panas this forum.