Praying in chinese, BM., English is praying to God............whats wrong with that?

Is there less power in that?

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Mar 1 2013, 01:36 PM

Methinks you misunderstand the sin of the pharisees...

they place their manmade traditions above the law........much like RCC.
Bear in mind when i use the word 'law', it refers to the TORAH....which is the word os God.
You mean they accuse Jesus?

BUT Paul also say the law shows up SIN......my friend Jedi is trying to douse the law.

20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shallno flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Mar 1 2013, 01:37 PM

Let me put this in simple English.

You can speak in tongues to God but not to Man unless there is an interpreter.

Doesn't mean you totally cannot speak in tongues in Church.

That's what it means by being quiet about it. Not indicating silence.

Hahaha!

You are trying to split straws!

Being quiet and not SILENCE????


si·lent (slnt)
adj.
1. Marked by absence of noise or sound; still.
2. Not inclined to speak; not talkative.
3. Unable to speak.
4. Refraining from speech:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/silent

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Mar 1 2013, 02:02 PM

Yes.

Romans 8:26-27 NIV
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.

Does that mean that when we pray in known tongues, the Holy Spirit is not behind it?

Groanings here is a sigh*.........not necessarily tongues of angels....

You have too much of charismatic teachings but not scriptural teachings!


Stenagmos


Definition
a groaning, a sigh


http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/gr.../stenagmos.html

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Mar 1 2013, 02:18 PM

He is correct, Once you accept Jesus, you are no longer under the Law but under Grace.

But you in turn attacked him by saying does it mean under grace does you can sin more?

That's why I post Romans 6:1 in my previous post because you do not understand.

Is valid.

i test how hot the water here a bit. so prayers in tongue God first grade accept. prayers in chinese, english etc. God also accept, maybe 2nd grade? am i doing it right?

Does that mean the law is gone?

Does that mean His Torah is gone?

When i attcked RCC stand on Mary idolatory et al,

Jedi implied that i am in the OT meaning the verses in Ex 20 is no longer applicable because we are under grace.........

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewingmercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments

No longer valid? Pray tell.............

Is that a new revelation OR can you support that with scriptures?

no i saw the earlier arguments... so i ma ask unknown warrior lo. actually i'm with u on this. dont get me wrong i'm not unknown warrior the authority in matters of christian faith

just now is hotter, now i guess the water temperature is warm.
btw if prayers in tongue calls it 1st grade while other language calls it 2nd grade, does this mean we judge it by "our own human standard"?

My LORD Jesus used SIMPle lingo to pray........issit less power?

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed bethy name.10Thy kingdom come . Thy will be donein earth, as it is in heaven.11Giveus this day our daily bread.12And forgiveus our debts, as we forgiveour debtors.13And leadus not into temptation, but deliverus from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen

Not really,

you must read the Bible as a whole, not just focus on Corinthians.

Paul encourages everyone to pray in the tongues rather than refrain from it.

What He is refraining speaking in tongues is to believers as evident here.

1 Corinthians 14:6
Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?

This is where he emphasize to be quiet.

But at the same time, He also said;

1 Corinthians 14:39
Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

and this verse as well.

Ephesians 6:18
And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

The objective is not so much on whether the Holy Spirit is behind it, but sometime we do not know what to pray for.

not i say one la... but for me it is not any less powerful. because for ME, if u sincere enough already. like He'd care to scrutinize which lingo u use, the first in consideration is sincerity no?

Hebrews 8:7
For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

In Spiritual warfare, we can only pray so much using English or Bahasa, or whatever language.

At most, like 30 minutes? Even if it's lengthy one (example)

But when you pray in the tongues, you can pray for hours.

Prayer Intercessors pray on their knees for hours and hours, interceding to God

Intercessors are elite group of prayer warriors in our Church Circle.

They are gifted in prayers.

Which is also true, just because you pray short prayers doesn't mean God doesn't hear.