ahaha .... it can get kinda hot

You don't have to worry about Truth being compromise. It's not found in arguments or words but the experiential reality of living in it.

The louder you try to shout, you'll just divert the attention from the truth to your shouting. At the end of the day, the one getting the attention is not the truth.

Like I said what good will the truth do if by what you do, push people away instead of encouraging them and drawing them to God?

Re-read about what is a resounding gong.

Thats too bad that Jesus spoke out against the relgious system of the day(you are avoiding this)?

i guess that Jesus teachings dd not do much tothe people?

28And it came to pass , when Jesus had endedthese sayings, the people were astonishedat his doctrine:29For he taught them as one havingauthority, and not as the scribes.

What good? The Truth is told and people like RCC, Mormons, JWs can repent and come back to Jesus Christ, not Mary, Joseph smith or something else.

A resounding gong calling repentance to Jesus Christ is better than a quiet compromise of leaven......which leads to hell


The road to HELL is paved with GOOD INTENTIONS.

A hot morning with old testament & new testament in the pot for our lunch today

Hmmm .... what's the topic now?

add-on: Only God is good, said Jesus.

This post has been edited by skydrake: Mar 1 2013, 11:59 AM

So, anything other than God is evil

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(it's true)

faith is the evidence. so doubt is the counter evidence. aite. nice.

Bible did not say other then God is evil. Evil do exist it said

Try and understand what the scripture is saying jul.

The scripture does not say, you should not speak in tongues in Church (Public).

Understand this part first.

1 Corinthians 14:2-5
For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues,d unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

Do you see the difference highlighted bold and red? When you speak in tongues you speak to God not to Men. When you prophesies, you speak from God to Men.

Now See this part.

1 Corinthians 14:6
Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?

It's very possible the Corinthians thought they could speak tongues as in how one prophesies to another fellow believer, but as Paul pointed out, speaking in tongues is not for believers but is edification of oneself to God, so refrain from doing that unless there is an interpreter.

Look here.
1 Corinthians 14:22-25
Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

And here

1 Corinthians 14:28
If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.


1 Corinthians 14:28 hints that the speaker is still in the church but Paul did not say to stop but to be quiet and continue speaking in tongues from himself to God.

Then look at this.

1 Corinthians 14:39
Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

So in essence, Paul is not saying totally stop speaking in tongue in the congregation, but do not speak in tongues to men as to how you prophecy unless there is an interpreter. That is all.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 1 2013, 12:59 PM

Praying in tongues is praying to God.

lol, what's wrong with you?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 1 2013, 12:40 PM

If that is true, then the statement that only God is good is not valid

Unknown ...... unfortunately ... prophesies here does not denote speaking in tongue ... most studies shows that it refers to speaking for God and even speaking God into others.

To prophesy for God is not to predict. To predict is to foretell an event before it occurs. This is not the meaning conveyed in 1 Corinthians 14. One version of Bible renders this word "to be a prophet preaching." However, the term prophet may lead people to understand the Greek word here as referring to predicting. Actually, what the prophets of God spoke in the Old Testament did not altogether consist of predictions; rather, their speaking included a great measure of exhortations and warnings. In 1 Corinthians 14, in speaking of prophesying for God, Paul did not have any intention for us to speak in tongues or to predict; his intention was that we all speak for God. God desires to speak to His people. However, He would not speak directly to them; He wants us to speak for Him. Therefore, this matter is very precious, and for this reason it is also quite difficult.

First Corinthians 14:3 says, "But he who prophesies speaks to men building up and encouragement and consolation." Building up is for the church; the church needs the words of building up. Exhortation is for the work; the Lord's work needs the words of exhortation. Consolation is for the believers; every believer needs the words of consolation, because every day we all have problems and worries, and we all need to be consoled. Therefore, when we prophesy for God in the church meetings, we first need to take care of the building of the church of God, that the church may be built up. Second, we need to take care of the Lord's work. Because they have many problems, everyone who works for the Lord needs incitement and encouragement. Third, we also need to take care of all God's children that they may have joy and satisfaction. Therefore, we should remember that to prophesy is to speak building up for the church, to speak encouragement for the work, and to speak consolation for the believers.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Mar 1 2013, 12:47 PM

you know why ? cuz too many smart people, with quality of bible scholar... i just curious whether before they post; are they praying first / ask holy spirit guidance ... or just simply type out of they our knowledge.

I'm very much into Grace.

you see, you're arguing exactly like how the pharisees and the teachers of the law accuses Paul.


Paul did not say lets sin more so that grace increase more.

See the verse below?

Romans 6:1
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?

Paul is saying where sin increases, God's grace super abounds.

Do you know the difference?

Well, good point of pointing out the need to be in our human spirit, even in typing out words

Cool down, jul.

I think you're losing it.

This is what the Corinthians thoughts so to be, that is why Paul was correcting them.

re edited on post 1170 for better clarity on last part.

i think you have mixed it up a bt too much with prophecy.
All the passages you have shown leans more to do not speak in tongues if there is no interpretation as you have shown here!



BUT how can you speak IF you keep quiet? Your statement contradicts the first statement immediately!