No

Read carefully

i imply RCC doctrines are


Idolatrous and BLASPHEMous

I am both Presbyterian & pentecostal background. I know some RCC background as well.
Just to confirm 100% about what unknown warrior said.

Allow me to add some point of view and comparing to RCC.

As jedi said, Pope is a spiritual figures for RCC. Up to certain degree, what pope saying is what the direction of RCC.
Here is the checkpoint pro or cons:
1. Can you see the spiritual leader or hear from TV / radio ? Yes
2. Can you sense him in your heart ? Not Applicable, he speaks using english.
3. Can you speak in tongue to him ? Not applicable. Speak human language only.
4. What if i want to say something / express something that i also do not know how to speak ? like express of anguish or joy beyond words ? this point i don't know... perhaps other RCC brother can help to answer.
5. Different church / leader / person can have different interpretation from bible ? I don't think so, everything must be singular and 1 vision from The Pope. correct me if i were wrong, RCC brothers.
6. All Chatholic churches will have sense of uniformity from top to bottom. Yes

Pentecostal: like City Harvest don't have Pope as as spiritual figures. So who is our spiritual figures ? Holy Spirit direct access with no intermediate. Therefore we are trained to build relationship with Holy Spirit (i just type HS for typing sake). The training are various: depends on church, pastor, culture, time, education, location, etc..etc... depends on background. The fruit oso will be different.
Here is the checkpoint pro or cons:
1. Can you see the spiritual leader or hear from TV / radio ? No
2. Can you sense him in your heart ? Yes, it's one way of how Holy Spirit speaks communicate with you.
3. Can you speak in tongue to Holy spirit ? Yes. Undertand what you say it's not a problem. illogical but that's how it works.
4. What if i want to say something / express something that i also do not know how to speak ? like express of anguish or joy beyond words ? Just speak in tongue
5. Different church / leader / person can have different interpretation from bible ? It's common because the maturity and quality relationship with Holy spirit are different between church / leader / person. Therefore the fruit oso different. sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. Pentecostal does not have Pope, therefore different leader can have different assignments from Holy spirit. Different assignments leads to different type of church.
6. All Pentecostal churches will have sense of uniformity from top to bottom. - Not applicable. some church groups together, some church oso independent. No uniformity except: 1. Use Bible. 2. Confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of Lord and King of Kings and Savior of Human kind.

just my 2 cent :-)

Yes Olga that's correct, the way to do is to be baptized in the Holy Spirit through laying on of hands.

Then, TheCagedBird by Faith, allow the Holy Spirit in you to utter whatever the spirit wills.

I concur also RCC is idolatry but both of us also idolatry mah.
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Blasphemy! which part of RCC doctrines?

This post has been edited by OlgaC4: Feb 28 2013, 11:01 AM

Do you worship money?
If so, its idolatory.

Go read up on their declarations of Mary.....see the Blasphemous declarations there




http://carm.org/catholic-mary-summary

No, the gift of the tongues is not for everybody that is extremely clear in the scriptures in 1 Corinthians 12:1-11. Furthermore, if the charismatic church follows the instruction of apostle Paul, speaking in tongues in churches will come to an end.

I Corinthians 14:27-28, "If anyone speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, each taking his turn; and let one person interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let the those persons keep silence in the church and speak to themselves and to God".

Now does the Charismatic Churches today follow this commands?

Food For Thought: Jesus Christ Himself never spoke in tongues it also the same with the Prophets of old until John the Baptist but King David knew the existent of the Holy Spirit in Psalms 51:11 but it was never recorded in the bible of him speaking in tongues.

Not shooting, but just bringing up some things that are overlooked.

Jedi, I believe Jesus wasn't referring to his Flesh as useless but referring to natural things as useless because He was responding to the disciples who said This is hard teaching. He was teaching them of the spiritual aspect of the bread & the wine. That is why he said the spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing or in simple understanding, do not look to the natural (which is the bread n the wine) True that the people at that time did not understand fully, bcos God was giving it to us the better revelation, for the coming days, after his ministry on earth.

It can be a merit when you impose a condition on it.
This is why I have repeated so many times on the subject of Holy Communion.
People do not understand when Jesus said unless you eat my flesh you will not have eternal life. But as you can see Jesus was teaching on the spiritual aspect.

I did asked you a question, because it relates to this.

Do you mean to imply that If anyone who confess Jesus is Lord but does not partake the Holy Communion, the person is not saved?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 28 2013, 11:28 AM

Crap this forum makes me open my bible a lot. Ha ha ha

I beg to differ.

Mark 16:17 (NIV)
And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

It's true that not everyone may receive it but it is for everyone. That's the difference.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 28 2013, 11:24 AM

good lah.

You missed out 16:18 "they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all, they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover". And we know that if today you drink poison or get bitten by snake it will hurt and most probably kill you without medical attention and we are also aware that not all believer can heal the sick.

The passage is speaking about the apostles, and we know one apostle ship wreck and got bitten by a poisoners snake but didn't die. This is know as the signs of the apostles which is again reconfirmed in Mark 16:20.

It is a good thing right? We should open up the bible to read it yourself to see if that is true. There were some believes who open up the scriptures to see for themselves if what the apostle Paul preached was indeed true, this found in Acts 17:11.

This post has been edited by Piros: Feb 28 2013, 11:34 AM

To me it does not qualify as Blasphemy more like idolatory.

well God is not asking you to pick up snakes and drink poison on purpose.

What He's saying is that you are no longer subject to the laws of the natural but can operate above natural circumstances because the Spirit of God is in you.

It is not just for the apostles because the truth is it is for everyone who believes.

Do you know why not everybody can heal the sick?

The answer is because they don't believe, not because God ordained healing is only for the 5 fold ministry group.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 28 2013, 11:43 AM

Whats Blasphemy to you?

You're suggesting Salvation need to be maintained and worked with our hands.

That can be refuted with proper spiritual understanding of the Bible.

Insulting God. How about you?

Just saw this............

i am not here to 'convince' the RCC......they are misled by their leaders....

i am here to tell the Truth about them

Is this like Christ? AND its to the religious leaders of the day.....did they get convinced?

Thats very general..

i would be more specific....... the act of claiming the attributes of deity.


Thats found in Ex 20


3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewingmercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

In The name of Jesus let there is peace... Amen !