Hi mat79 and helven,

NAP that protects P1/P2 - any car that is technically more advance or overall build quality + items/accessories/gadgets/etc are better by certain limit, it will be forced to price higher.

N-brand Almera get to price at Preve price range only by having obsolete outdated VVT engine, gearbox and also not so high build quality. Else, it will be priced at RM80k. If having dual VVT + 6AT, then get push further close to RM85k or RM90k for normal spec.


For ruffstuff,

Some of NAP regulation is not revealed on public. Only car company certain staff knows especially jolokia that could check with his respective colleague.

You could check with your product team colleague anytime on the NAP P1/P2 protection. Probably you already know and pretend dumb here. If ruffstuff doesn't believe, he can check with your colleague personally for more info.

Rio is using 2nd generation VVT and despite only 1.4L, it can still get 137Nm that is close to your Almera 1.5L. That's why P1 finds it more of a threat than your crappy Almera for having technically more advance engine, stronger gearbox and higher build quality with much accessories/gadgets. As per the rule, they can't be priced less than RM70k like your Almera. Rio 1.4 come only with 4AT in here and globally. Rio dual VVT 1.6L + 6AT, NASA will bring in after Forte stock cleared.

Toyota Vios is only budget car and because its sales remain unchallenged by other brands, they are holding back the upgraded dual VVTi engine.

If you are saying City/Civic/Accord/CRV 5AT gearbox, they only add in smaller 5th gear to older 4AT gearbox similar to your Almera begins with 2.6 first gear. Such gearbox is nothing more for cruising edge but not from idle.

For Ford, Mazda, Chevy, Pug, Hyundai-Kia, BMW, Merc, etc 6AT, they all come with larger/stronger first few gears where the engine could move the axles at less burden from idle start. Technically good for moving from idle, for cruising, etc. It's good and suited for any size cars, even if the car is small and light, having it is a good thing. That gear hunting feel is to disperse excessive force before engaging lower gear which is a new thing too. You really need to do more homework.

but jay,why fiesta, same as vios price, better equip? im also puzzle on that,not withstanding samething happened accross asean market. do nap apply across the region?

about the certain staff, who do you refering to? so,meaning, across asean,even fta agreement between countries, the intervene of malaysian nap is stronger. even can cheat by non disclose matter. malaysia shud just undisclosed the 300% import tax,n shud not change policy since everything no need to disclose,can cheat under the table. malaysia shud be sued then by other asean countries. now i know the truth :-).

oh malaysia ku

about the certain staff, who do you refering to? so,meaning, across asean,even fta agreement between countries, the intervene of malaysian nap is stronger. even can cheat by non disclose matter. malaysia shud just undisclosed the 300% import tax,n shud not change policy since everything no need to disclose,can cheat under the table. malaysia shud be sued then by other asean countries. now i know the truth :-).

oh malaysia ku

Owh..as usual. Rubbish from jaycraptor.

Does the new Vios TRD come with sport suspension?

Fiesta 1.6L was launched in 2010. That was before Inspira launch and the NAP rule on non-national car pricing only revised after that and again after Preve launched. Before there is Inspira, B-segment price range you could set them cheapest between RM74k-85k depends on specs and quality. Also, non-national make could still benefit from rebadge to get tax exemption and that was where Forte get to enjoy the selling price tag of RM75k cheapest specs.

After Inspira launch and Preve launch, Elantra despite with rebadge could not set any cheaper than RM90k. Later revision, the Chevy Sonic 1.6L selling price got pushed to RM90k if brought in while Cerato pricing pushed higher to Japanese quality C-segment price range. This P1/P2 protection policy applies to local only, nothing to do with ASEAN. You can check with jolokia who are those certain staff, he could tell you in detailed.

I nvr know NASA manufacture cars too, new thing for me... From my outdated knowledge, they specialised in space program only...

U seriously will buy it? WOW, new thing for me too... From my noob common sense, you are the only guy in this world will buy it...

Nowadays, I always look forward to our Prof Jolokia post everyday... Many things we can learn from him...

What a load of bullshit again. Jazz is selling at 74k.
Please stop posting crap unless you have reliable source of your so called NAP revision. 8k-10k increase for replacement car is normal, due to more features added. Sometimes the increase is more than that. The trend is similar across all price range, not only below 100k.

Honda city already grab new vios customers becoz of too late launch

jayCRAPtor with his CRAPtive thinking...

:-):-):-) no wonder toyota reluctant on giving vsc previously to asean market,becoz they wont be blame :-):-):-)

Why J crapot story u cooking here ? Ur laoya brand try to jack up price & u blame it on NAP, how come Almera can sell at such a reasonable price ?
Don't simply quote my name I am not working in automotive line, just that I read more than u..

lol begging to be di ahbeng kan
lolololol

i think so now.. but no doubt its a nice looking car
kinda regret getting altis already
zzzz

Heard originally slated for Nov but bring forward to Oct...yeah, think so

If you know jolokia personally, he should be able to tell you more inside exclusive story where you will agree with me. As for NASA, it refers to local company that you know. Jolokia is using that name too, aren't you supposed to shoot him?

Almera gets to sell cheap for being inferior than Vios and Preve turbo techincally and physically, therefore it gets to set price at Preve price range. If you know how to check technically, you could tell the Almera tech is overall inferior than Vios.

Talking about City, its 5AT is nothing more than old 4AT gearbox added 1 smaller gear behind. Unlike old Camry 5AT gearbox that really have bigger first 2 gears for stronger assist from idle. The Jazz hybrid is throwing price as it is no match against Prius in FC. It's getting just slightly better than Vios in city driving. City vs Vios, Vios wins anytime in acceleration when loaded and FC.

mitsu attrage starts from 59k...blame it on NAP??

No offense, but I really don't know WTH are you talking about... Honest...

No lah ! according to Dr.. Jayraptor NAP will only allowed them to sell cheaper if they reduce some ingredients, Attrage already reduce 1 cylinder to 3 cylinder, reduced 300cc to 1.2 ltr, reduced 100kg to 950kgs, so they are allowed to sell at 59K...rofl....