Wow, cars in Brunei so cheap still want to go for lowest spec? J-spec manual some more? They can easily go for full G spec or S spec straight.

Nissan has been obsessed with Toyota design especially Vios dugong since end 2007. First to copy was Nissan Maxima US on the rear lights. The Almera heavily copied Vios dugong design but only thing is they overdone it with added China cars + phased out Korean 03 cars design fused together so it become very ugly.

The new Vios rear didn't dump the old Vios dugong styling but instead develop it further so it looks like this. Wasted or else the new Vios would have proper look on the front and back. Since it is still sticking to old technology, they get to pass NAP protection for P1/P2 therefore they can price it in the same region as Vios dugong with slight increase.

If they fit new dual VVTi upgraded engine + 6AT in Vios 2013, then they'll loose the privilege and end up selling at over RM90k.

Hi mat79 and helven,

NAP that protects P1/P2 - any car that is technically more advance or overall build quality + items/accessories/gadgets/etc are better by certain limit, it will be forced to price higher.

N-brand Almera get to price at Preve price range only by having obsolete outdated VVT engine, gearbox and also not so high build quality. Else, it will be priced at RM80k. If having dual VVT + 6AT, then get push further close to RM85k or RM90k for normal spec.


For ruffstuff,

Some of NAP regulation is not revealed on public. Only car company certain staff knows especially jolokia that could check with his respective colleague.

You could check with your product team colleague anytime on the NAP P1/P2 protection. Probably you already know and pretend dumb here. If ruffstuff doesn't believe, he can check with your colleague personally for more info.

Rio is using 2nd generation VVT and despite only 1.4L, it can still get 137Nm that is close to your Almera 1.5L. That's why P1 finds it more of a threat than your crappy Almera for having technically more advance engine, stronger gearbox and higher build quality with much accessories/gadgets. As per the rule, they can't be priced less than RM70k like your Almera. Rio 1.4 come only with 4AT in here and globally. Rio dual VVT 1.6L + 6AT, NASA will bring in after Forte stock cleared.

Toyota Vios is only budget car and because its sales remain unchallenged by other brands, they are holding back the upgraded dual VVTi engine.

If you are saying City/Civic/Accord/CRV 5AT gearbox, they only add in smaller 5th gear to older 4AT gearbox similar to your Almera begins with 2.6 first gear. Such gearbox is nothing more for cruising edge but not from idle.

For Ford, Mazda, Chevy, Pug, Hyundai-Kia, BMW, Merc, etc 6AT, they all come with larger/stronger first few gears where the engine could move the axles at less burden from idle start. Technically good for moving from idle, for cruising, etc. It's good and suited for any size cars, even if the car is small and light, having it is a good thing. That gear hunting feel is to disperse excessive force before engaging lower gear which is a new thing too. You really need to do more homework.

Fiesta 1.6L was launched in 2010. That was before Inspira launch and the NAP rule on non-national car pricing only revised after that and again after Preve launched. Before there is Inspira, B-segment price range you could set them cheapest between RM74k-85k depends on specs and quality. Also, non-national make could still benefit from rebadge to get tax exemption and that was where Forte get to enjoy the selling price tag of RM75k cheapest specs.

After Inspira launch and Preve launch, Elantra despite with rebadge could not set any cheaper than RM90k. Later revision, the Chevy Sonic 1.6L selling price got pushed to RM90k if brought in while Cerato pricing pushed higher to Japanese quality C-segment price range. This P1/P2 protection policy applies to local only, nothing to do with ASEAN. You can check with jolokia who are those certain staff, he could tell you in detailed.

If you know jolokia personally, he should be able to tell you more inside exclusive story where you will agree with me. As for NASA, it refers to local company that you know. Jolokia is using that name too, aren't you supposed to shoot him?

Almera gets to sell cheap for being inferior than Vios and Preve turbo techincally and physically, therefore it gets to set price at Preve price range. If you know how to check technically, you could tell the Almera tech is overall inferior than Vios.

Talking about City, its 5AT is nothing more than old 4AT gearbox added 1 smaller gear behind. Unlike old Camry 5AT gearbox that really have bigger first 2 gears for stronger assist from idle. The Jazz hybrid is throwing price as it is no match against Prius in FC. It's getting just slightly better than Vios in city driving. City vs Vios, Vios wins anytime in acceleration when loaded and FC.

Yes, that is correct. You can continue to pretend you don't know anything about setting car price here despite you are well verse with the regulation.

Attrage sits between A & B segment based on its dimension. Its engine is only 1.2L 3-pot whereas P1 & P2 models come with 4-pot 1.3L yet RM10-20k cheaper therefore it passed. Almera is B-segment with real weak engine equivalent to present day 1.4L only, so you can set price range close to Preve that could beat your product in terms of size, power, handling.

As far as I recalled, you don't dare to use NAZA at all when comes to talking bad. You would add 'K" behind earlier but later you turned to use NASA too.

Don't have to deny, could always refer your earlier comments on AW. Forte is still priced more than RM10k above the most expensive P1 model when launched in Dec '09 despite rebadged.

Only your obsolete tech Almera get to price on P1 Preve level. The new Mitsu Attrage 1.2L only get to be priced below RM70k by having small 3pot engine and smaller chassis. You know why they can't set it cheaper at RM60k? Because it has more advanced tech than your Almera, its CVT gearbox is even stronger than your Teana/Sylphy CVT.