i think most of us are well aware of the benefits of fish oil so i won't give you any further reasons to start taking them if you already haven't.

there was an article that i stumbled across and contains poliquin's recommendation to consume 30-45g of fish oil for 4 weeks and then cut that amount by half. by doing so, you increase the efficacy (that should be the right term) thus speeding up the benefits that most of you are already aware of.

i personally have only been taking total EPA/DHA of 3.6g a day and i can't actually say that my joints feel better than when i wasn't taking them at all which brings me to my little experiment over the next 8 weeks of megadosing as per poliquin's recommendation.

i'll be hitting the pharmacy later today to pick up a bottle of fish oil as taking this 30g in capsule form will be a pain in the ass and not to mention a choking hazard!

logically, one would prefer to split up the consumption of to maybe 5 times throughout the day, about a tablespoon of fish oil should be sufficient per dose because when in liquid form, it's usually more potent than in capsule.

anyone willing to hop on the bandwagon for this little experiment and see what happens? or, if anyone has already tried this amount, do post your positives and/or negatives that you faced.

I try up to 4-5 gm per day as per recommended in capsules form (around 12-15 capsules )
and i get explosive diarrhea

and yeah fish oil in local pharmacy/medical store is expensive as hell

This post has been edited by theCrab: Dec 7 2012, 02:28 AM

my experience when I took a lot of fish oil caps in one day is that my feces is 'oily' and it is damn fluid. It makes my ******* feel totally uncomfortable.

Erm sounds like too much and an expensive endeavour. I will stick to my 1.2 grams (2 tablets) a day.

yeah. But when you had injury and the fish oil is almost expired, taking a lot of fish oil caps seems to be a good choice but actually it is not

i took one capsule daily
1000mg, 180mg EPA 120mg DHA

Dude no offence but thats an awful. What is the other 700mg of that tablet you taking To meet the minimum advised 1g a day, you have to consume 4 of those tablets. I hope they weren't expensive...

just completed a day of finishing my remaining fish oil caps for a total of 12g. so far so good in the bowel movement department. those who have experienced this 'shitty' side effect, you might consider splitting the intake throughout the day and see if it helps.

i've now switched over to liquid fish oils. took 2 tbsp this morning and omg, i should've listened to my fiancee when she told me fish oil really sucks. i know scott's emulsion is not what one would consider straight up fish oil, but it tasted a hell of a lot better.

some pics of the new oil:

nutrition info:

damage: $50 from GNC Canada

raul88,
that is wayyyyyyyy to little fish oil tbh. the EPA/DHA content is really insignificant. at those levels, you would have to be taking at least 20 caps a day to meet the 2-3g recommended intake (imho).

Fuyo. Nice high potency fish oil there. Over 1700mg for one or two tablespoon? Damage not that bad either considering the $/mg and how overpriced the lousy ones can be sold for.

I think I will stick to my 1.2g a day for now Maybe when finances allow in future will bump to 2-3g but too poor now-need to stretch supplements to last.

it's actually 1700+mg total PER teaspoon (tsp). since 1 tablespoon (tbsp) is approximately 3 tsp, i'm getting 10.38g total per 2 tbsp. aiming for 6 tbsp spread throughout the day so i can have 1 in the morning, 1 at dinner and 1 post workout/before bed. ideally, it would be during breakfast, lunch and dinner but i can't be carrying this bottle around with me as it needs to be kept refrigerated.

if you gave me a choice between buying whey or fish oils, i'd go with fish oils because of the number of benefits it has over protein.

how do i get this in malaysia

Per TEAspoon? Wow! That is amazing value! Definitely investing in that after my current tablets finish Thanks for sharing!

your guess is as good as mine!

you could check with GNC Malaysia and see what liquid fish oils they carry. worst case is that you'll have to consume equivalent amounts in capsule form.

it's a good idea to go with fish oil in liquid form simply because it goes down easier than in capsule form. there is however, little to be desired in the taste.

hm..
i really dont know how much EPA or DHA i need daily
i just read the label
it says one capsule daily

why they only recommend that?

dude, youre working out. the nutrition requirements are bound to be higher. read up before buying supplements.

Because they are not obliged to educate you about your personal needs - only sell you a product which you need to ensure is what meets your needs. No one is looking out for you and your health but yourself.

For a person who exercises regularly, regardless of their fitness goals, they should aim for nothing less than 1000mg of fish oil. That number is what I highlighted in red for you. You add the EPA to the DHA to find out how much fish oil you get from a tablet. As you can see, many body builders and athletes consume more fish oil (especially if you do not or cannot afford to eat more fatty fish) than that recommended minimum.

Since you are only taking ONE tablet, you are only getting 300g of fish oil. Barely a third of what you should be aiming for. The '1000mg' is not important and misleads people. For your next fish oil supplement you should look for a good quality HIGH POTENCY fish oil.

I suggest you start taking 3-4 tablets a day (2 in the morning and 1-2 in the evening) so you are getting at least 900-1200mg fish oil. And like I said, I hope your fish oil supplement wasn't expensive.

completed day 1 of 30+g of EPA/DHA and no toilet issues. just that my burp smells orange-y. haha!

for the average joe/jane, i'd suggest at least 2g of EPA/DHA a day unless you are on some sort of blood thinning medication as fish oil does thin the blood although the efficacy is debatable.

Lucky Was worried you were going to come back and be like "OMG! MY INTESTINES!"

Hmmm 2g huh... I could swing that... Lemme read some more and see what I find Thanks for the info bro.

hey
thanks for the clarification

btw, i consume scott's fish oil
supermarket near my house sell rm23 IINM for 60 capsule
so roughly 40cent per capsule.

No worries *nods* Good. It wont take you long to finish off the tablets. For your next purchase-try hunting around for better quality high potency fish oil. The process to get the fish oil into the form we consume it is important too as some fish oils can guarantee no mercury or contaminants while others do not. When we are consuming so much of the stuff (assuming at least 1g a day - that adds up to 365g a year) it might be something you want to take note of.

Here:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/857454/+140

Look at post #152. It is a simple educational 'poster' someone put together Also, if you take time to read through the thread you might see some brands suggested you can consider.

I am so getting the one whatdamn is trying Great value and potency.

can find it back in Malaysia? if so, please provide details for everyone's benefit

hi, for fish oil with higher EPA and DHA. so far i able found in pharmacy is Pristin Fish oil which contain 660mg of EPA & DHA. but prices is bloody expensive as it is around RM160 for 150 cap.

So far i now using HSC Omega 3 fish oil, which is Malaysia generic brand of Pristin. around 744mg of EPA & DHA. i buy it around RM100 for 120 cap.

Just for sharing... :-)

what about fish oil in liquid form? that seems to be the easiest way to consume more fish oil as compared to swallowing 50 of those capsules throughout the day.

eh, for those cap, after u taking 2 capsule it already reached 1g EPA and 480mg of DHA already.. taking 2 cap 2 times a day should be enough right?

how much EPA and DHA u planning to take daily? 50 cap really alot wei...

for liquid form i need to search, coz so far i didnt see any yet...

refer to my thread title and original post, this is all about mega dosing on fish oil for the EPA/DHA.

i'm currently on 3rd day of dosing 30+g of EPA/DHA per day. no issues so far.

Sorry I wont be purchasing it from Malaysia. I actually live half the time in Canada (but I am back sorting visa and escaping winter *Brrrr*) so by the time I am done with my current tablets, I will actually be on my way back there and will purchase it then. When I plan to return to Malaysia I could bring a few extra bottles for anyone interested lah but that will be second half of 2013

There are sellers on LYN who often purchase bulk from US, I don't see why they couldn't do a bulk for the fish oil... unless the kastam no let lah. I am not familiar with what is allowed or not.

cool! another malaysian in canada

then, you should have no problems buying them from GNC Canada.

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Added on December 11, 2012, 11:59 pmday 5 and still doing fine.

so again i should stress that for those of you intending to try and mega dose on your fish oils, break it up into smaller portions.

on the plus side, consuming the oil is getting a little easier.

This post has been edited by whatdamn: Dec 11 2012, 11:59 PM

i tried with 4g per day for last 2 days. end up explosive diarrhea... zzzzzz

what were your dosage intervals like? also, did you consume them with food shortly after or before?

so far, having no issues like you've mentioned going on 30+g of EPA/DHA.

how about taking COD Liver Oil in liquid form instead? easier to find and cheaper than Fish Oil.

but don't know will overdose of Vit D and A, or not..

i've checked and usually cod liver oil has a much lower concentration of EPA/DHA eventually leading to even larger quantities consumed to get the same amount.

yes, lower than liquid Fish Oil, but higher than tablet Fish Oil that normally only about 300mg combined.
but main advantage of COD Liver Oil is easier to find and lower price.

my main worry is still of the Vitamin overdose.
anyone here taken COD Liver Oil? can share experience?

i think you've raised a valid alternative to fish oil but is the lower price actually significant?

let's put the possibility of vitamin A toxicity to one side and could you perhaps give a price comparison between fish oil (liquid/capsule form) and cod liver oil for the same amount of EPA/DHA?

For those that mention about the fishy smell, just take the tablets in the middle of your meal. I.e. stop eating halfway, take the tablets, then continue eating. If you burp, it doesn't come out.

As for fish oil overdose, my coach mentioned that there were none. So I then to take double for the few days a month during the female moment. No harm.

COD Liver Oil for 1 table spoon is about 1.5g EPA+DHA combined. 500ml for about RM35

not sure about tablet price. but most pharmacy that sell tablet is only about 300mg combined.

Just bought Scott's Fish oil 1000mg. Recommend to take 1 capsule daily but I've taken 2 (2,000mg). Only RM22 for 60 capsule.

1000mg of EPA & DHA or the capsule content is 1000mg?

alternatively, try freezing your capsules.

the only issues with fish oils is that it thins your blood, so if you're on any such medication, it wouldn't be a good idea to megadose on it. the cod liver oil on the other hand has vitamins A and D in them and i believe in much larger quantities, one could possible suffer vitamin A toxicity. i've not looked at journals for a particular number before one experiences this though.

xxboxx,
most likely it's the capsule content that's 1g but the EPA/DHA may be higher than the 300mg total you mentioned earlier.

enix2000,
you'd probably want to start experimenting with 5-6 capsules a day so that your EPA/DHA is around 2g.

Total content is 1000mg

this is the on that i take
each capsule EPA 180mg DHA 120mg only

enix2000, raul88 is right on the EPA and DHA contents of Scott's fish oil that you've bought hence the the lower price.

Link to concise info from the MIMS: http://www.mims.com.my/Malaysia/drug/info/...s%20Fish%20Oil/

since you're only taking 2 capsules a day, you're getting less than 1g of EPA/DHA combined daily. in order to reach the 30g per day target you'd need to be consuming close to 100 capsules a day. consuming fish oil in liquid form would be the better choice in this case provided the potency of the EPA/DHA are around the 1g mark per tsp. even if you're targetting 4g of EPA/DHA a day, you'll have to consume at least 10 capsules a day.

I somehow never got the same effect with cod liver oil compared to fish oil tablets.

As for fish oil and medication, I do have a friend who absolutely cannot take any fish oil supplements because it interferes with his diabetic medication. Said that the fish oil will stop the medication from working and he can blackout within 1 hour of taking fish oil.

i will take fish oil

your friend must have a severe case of diabetes for a little fish oil to have such an effect on his blood glucose levels. probably a higher dose of the diabetic medication is required for this but again, if he wishes to continue with fish oil then he should check with his doctor.

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Added on December 19, 2012, 1:33 pmalmost at the end of the bottle. the bottom part tastes the worst as the orange flavour is concentrated at the bottom. ugh!

on the up side, i seem to be having fewer pains than before. only time will tell.

This post has been edited by whatdamn: Dec 19 2012, 01:33 PM

does the normal fish oils capsules that we consume contains vitamin D?

Spend a bit more time in the sun...that'll give you free vitamin D.
Mammals' body can synthesize it under sunlight. Made from cholesterol I think.

it is naturally found in fish oil (it is oil soluble), and so yes they may contain Vitamin D. I believe the nutritional info on the packaging/bottle may tell you if they have Vitamin D or not.

I had checked on at the nutri info at the bottle and it only states the EPA and DHA content...no vitamin D though.

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Added on December 31, 2012, 1:47 pmI had checked on at the nutri info at the bottle and it only states the EPA and DHA content...no vitamin D though.

This post has been edited by yingchai: Dec 31 2012, 01:47 PM

They're types of Omega 3 fats.
They usually have vitamin D. Maybe some manufacturers distill them out of the oil, for people with sufficient vitamin D levels.

I'm really quite into this because my parents are taking them and the bottles are everywhere in my house.

fish oil is best taken at optimum dosage and that would be 1g of epa/dha per day. But some considerations need to be taken first;-

a) dha is said to be good to young children in their growing phase by creating new brain cells.

b) epa on the other hand is good for improving cognitive functions resulting from mental decline,dementia etc etc bottom line good for adult

most fish oils sold in malaysia have minimum fish oil content which is 180mg of epa and 120g of dha. This is far below the optimum dosage needed for

anyone to feel the therapeutic effect which one would benefit from taking fish oils. (research/goggling can be done to know the recommended dosage)

Iherb is a good place for finding fish oils that suit your preferences, been ordering for a year now. heres the link iherb

DON'T GET ME WRONG, im not their sales rep and i would never be. But this website has helped me finding some supplements that i could not find locally.

All fish oils are not created equally hence a few ringgits go a long way

some are selling salmon fish oil... wuts the difference

anyone here know chia seeds? It's also a good source of omega-3 fatty acids.

Chia Seeds

after a while on experimenting with this whole fish oil business, my findings are this:

liquid fish oil > capsule fish oil

reason being, the liquid just doesn't seem to give me at least shitty shits if you know what i mean. for some odd reason the capsule ones give me the above problem even with 5g of EPA/DHA.

there is a solution around this though which is to slowly consume the capsule fish oils over the course of the day. however, because of the amount being consumed, you'll finish the typical 90-120 caps bottle in a day or two. just like eating a bag of sweets really.

on the up side, my joints feel really well lubricated especially when squatting. for me at least.

Actually that is kind of the norm for fish oil in liquid form. Consider this:

1 teaspoon = 5ml
5ml = 5000mg (in the case of water)

Since oil is lighter than water, hence 5ml = 4150mg (in the case of the fish oil shown by whatdamn)
The total EPA/DHA = 1550mg (I'm ignoring the other Omega 3 since not consistently reported by diff brands)
So the % concentration = 37.3%

In the end what this tells you is that the volume of oil in a softgel is very small, like quarter-teaspoon. Much of the cost is in encapsulating the oil in the softgel, hence if you want to megadose then liquid is the economical option. The fish oil shown has slightly above average % concentration. The average is 30%, i.e. one softgel of 1000mg fish oil only contains 300mg of EPA/DHA.

Listen to this guy. He knows his stuff. Damn good supp seller too.

Oooohh that explains alot! Thank you for the info

Yes he is. Very knowledgeable and patient to answer questions. Also had the pleasure to get supps from him Recommended!

try and get the mega strength EPA / DHA ones..not cheap but it works.

whether or not you need mega dosing depends also on your training regime, most suitable if your joints are taking battering from heavy training. it does work but takes a few weeks to kick in.

around 10-15 pills of the high strength varities does the trick,
fish burps!!!

Lately Googling FISH OIL gets a lot of disclaimers saying no benefit.

Wondering here whether proponents have counter-arguments?

Not recommended to megadose Cod Liver Oil.
Unlike Fish Oil, Cod Liver Oil contains more Vitamin D rather than Omega-3.
Excessive intake will certainly induce hypervitaminosis D; causing muscle weakness, loss of bone density, fatique, kidney failure, kidney stones, constipation and vomitting; since you will also produce Vitamin D under the sunlight.
Search on the net and you will find out why it is a worse alternative.


http://www.livestrong.com/article/474462-i...lets-dangerous/
http://arthritis.emedtv.com/cod-liver-oil/...l-overdose.html

Plant-based Omega-3 supplements such as chia seeds and flax seeds are good alternative for vegetarians.
However, it contains APA which have to be convered to DHA and EPA in our body, and our conversion is very inefficient.
To match them up, one need to megadose in order to match with one capsule of fish oil.
Try to search it up more, as I try not to get into the technicalities.

To be more specific, the claim is that fish oil supplements do not help increase heart health. This is as a result of a study in Sep 2012. You can read it here: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/fish...ory?id=17211288 and watch the video also.

I'm also following this story with interest since there are comments that the study was flawed and that fish oil has other benefits.

This post has been edited by jchong: Feb 8 2013, 08:10 AM

Fish Oils do have many benefits apart from health alone....btw the video tend to subject a debate of fish oil supplements necessity vs fish as food of 2 days a week. I think thats what Dr. Richards implies.

Read more here
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22902522
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22340541

you may search for more articles there.

It has no benefit for the fish who's oil we're taking if that's what you mean.

for fish oil expert out there, is this one potent enough? Planning to order 1.

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Ultra-Omega...0-Softgels/8341

im consuming one/two caps 1000mg daily.. i dont see any problem there. now my bad cholesterol dropped from 5.8(high) to 4.2(normal)

That's just 2g. The context in this thread is a dosage of 30-45g. It's not unsual to have regular dosages of 4-6g in athletes so of course you're not going to see a problem with your intake.

Yeah it's potent enough.

yeah i just follow the instruction saying 1-2caps for adults

This is what i have been taking since i started taking fish oil, ~3yrs now. I found it to be the cheapest, and most potent EPA/DHA.
Its also where i buy from. Lowest postage delivery.
I take 2 in the morning, and 2 at night.
Apart from all the positives of fish oil, I believe its helped lower&maintain my BP at optimum. Most of my family are on meds for high BP.

great. Yeah, i already received the fish oil from iHerb. Super cheap for the EPA/DHA content very affordable shipping fee. Item arrived after 3-4 days only using DHL express.

Question is...what is/are the 'other' ingredient(s) and is/are the 'other' ingredient(s) in the fish oil safe to be consumed that much?

Example for average fish oil, only 300mg of omega 3 present in 1000mg of a capsule,so what makes the other 700mg?

And as I get the calculation from here,
isn't 300mg is cheaper than 750mg as per calculation below?

1) 300mg
Price: RM26.01 (exclude shipping)
Total DHA/Omega3: 300mg x 200 pills = 60,000mg
Price/100mg = RM0.04335/100mg

2) 750mg
Price: RM74.77 (exclude shipping)
Total DHA/Omega3: 750mg x 180 pills = 135,000mg
Price/100mg = RM0.05539/100mg

Furthermore, the 750mg price is around 2.9x of 300mg, which means you can buy 3 bottles of 300mg (600softgels).Taking 3 softgels per day can last for 200days compare to 180days and you can get 540mg of EPA and 360mg of DHA instead of to 500 + 250.

Of course, at first glance it is better to buy the 75% as it is twice as much higher than the 30%

Therefore I am asking, what is the other 70% in the 300mg,and is it safe to consume that much of the 70%?

Yes,I know this thread is about megadosing the fish oil and people may argue that more pills are needed to pop for the 300mg

Your maths is correct. The 300mg type is cheaper on a mg basis. This is not surprising because 300mg is the most common type of fish oil and there are economies of scale. So the raw material is the cheapest out there.

That said, it's not correct to say the 750mg type is 2.9x more than 300mg. Gotta go back to the per mg price. So it would be RM0.05539 / RM0.04335 = 1.28x

Back to your question on what is the other 70%, it would be oils and fats. You might be consuming a bit more fat with the 300mg type. Example: you want to take 3000mg of EPA/DHA.

300mg type = take 10 capsules
Total fat = 10g
Calories = 100

750mg type = take 4 capsules
Total fat = 4g
Calories = 40

Ah my bad for comparing the price of the products which is largely affected by sales/promotions/special prices instead of the per mg.Now I got it.

And it will be troublesome to pop so many pills everyday

Thanks a lot for the reply and the insight