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post Dec 13 2012, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Dec 13 2012, 08:49 AM)
from various reviews on other forums, ultremo zx is more fragile than gp4000s. but let's hear ur reviews after some time
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post Dec 13 2012, 09:53 AM

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craig always has something nice to say notworthy.gif
"hate the game don't hate the player"



hate cycling dont hate lance armstrong?

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post Dec 13 2012, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(apisthetic @ Dec 13 2012, 09:53 AM)
craig always has something nice to say notworthy.gif
"hate the game don't hate the player"



hate cycling dont hate lance armstrong?

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hate the game as in the competition...

it is due to the competition that pushes athletes to push themselves harder and do whatever necessary to win...

some of this guys have contracts worth millions annually, although not as high as football players... but the field is much much more competitive as you are competing with almost 200 equally motivated rivals in any competition just for 1 single spot...

they want the cutting edge of performance whether it is a new bike or new skin suit or the latest in doping products that can escape detection...

so, he is right in blaming the game and not the player...
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post Dec 13 2012, 10:15 AM

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woo hoo....

my P2K new team jersey is ready for collection!

Can wear it for training 22-23 Dec and Malakoff Interstate fellowship ride!

it's going to be kamikaze joining 2 days Malakoff Interstate rides, as Dec month, i only will be cycling on 22 & 23.
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post Dec 13 2012, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Dec 13 2012, 10:15 AM)
woo hoo....

my P2K new team jersey is ready for collection!

Can wear it for training 22-23 Dec and Malakoff Interstate fellowship ride!

it's going to be kamikaze joining 2 days Malakoff Interstate rides, as Dec month, i only will be cycling on 22 & 23.
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team enrollment pay extra RM100...else must wear organizer apparels...

pemotongan stim...
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post Dec 13 2012, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Dec 13 2012, 10:18 AM)
team enrollment pay extra RM100...else must wear organizer apparels...

pemotongan stim...
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only 2nd day must wear organizer apparels ma....

1st day can wear any jersey.... right ?
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post Dec 13 2012, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Dec 13 2012, 10:04 AM)
hate the game as in the competition...

it is due to the competition that pushes athletes to push themselves harder and do whatever necessary to win...

some of this guys have contracts worth millions annually, although not as high as football players... but the field is much much more competitive as you are competing with almost 200 equally motivated rivals in any competition just for 1 single spot...

they want the cutting edge of performance whether it is a new bike or new skin suit or the latest in doping products that can escape detection...

so, he is right in blaming the game and not the player...
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well said rclxms.gif

kesian lance. if mostly pro cyclists dope, he still the only one that win.
its like cheating in exam laa. some people cheat but still don't get highscore.
the one that get the highest score understand the subject + cheat a bit because he forgot few topics tongue.gif
its not like doper always win.
doper still need serious training+best bike+etc. then he can win.

and if everybody dopes, le tour de france was a fair game. if laa hmm.gif
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post Dec 13 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Dec 13 2012, 10:23 AM)
only 2nd day must wear organizer apparels ma....

1st day can wear any jersey.... right ?
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i dunno la.. i just blow water only... big events sometimes organizer damn kiasu one.. don't let you wear team or other sponsor apparels... so, they enforce you to wear their apparels or they charge you higher entry fees if you insist on going as a team (whether going as team or just wearing team apparels la)...


QUOTE(apisthetic @ Dec 13 2012, 10:32 AM)
well said  rclxms.gif

kesian lance. if mostly pro cyclists dope, he still the only one that win.
its like cheating in exam laa. some people cheat but still don't get highscore.
the one that get the highest score understand the subject + cheat a bit because he forgot few topics tongue.gif
its not like doper always win.
doper still need serious training+best bike+etc. then he can win.

and if everybody dopes, le tour de france was a fair game. if laa  hmm.gif
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i believe all cyclist train equally as hard, maybe within 10-15% difference between different riders... the doping allow them to train outside the limits of their physical limits thus improving their competition performance when they do not have the ability to ingest drugs, it doesn't make them superman in 2 days of taking PEDs...

like the recent leipheimer allegations... people say that although in recent years he did not dope.. but his previous doping practices have allowed him to achieve a level of base performance that he could not have achieved if he was to train normally without PEDs... that would have given him an edge if he can maintain his physical fitness post-doping with or without PEDs...

yes, doper does not always win... but you have to understand if they actually really lost or they choose to intentionally lose so they do not get flagged under suspicion like the armstrong allegations of him not entering any other races other than TDF and if there is any suspicion that he will be drug tested at any other events, he either drops out or loses the race as race winners get tested with or without being asked...

that being said, the dopers mentality is that all other riders dope... so, it is only fair that he joins the game and make the playing field level... and that is all based on the riders assumptions...no more than that..

armstrong, in some peoples eyes is still the winner because among the era where doping was rampant.. he was still a winner among the dopers because he did everything he could whether it was inside or outside of the sport to guarantee his victories...he took performance enhancing in one way or the other to the limits where no other riders went before...


Added on December 13, 2012, 11:03 amKatusha plans to sue UCI over promoting Argos Shimano to Worldtour license and dropping them.
Katusha plans court battle with UCI over WorldTour license snub

about time, with rodriguez? why the shovel out the window?


Added on December 13, 2012, 11:07 amSchleck sisters is the dissapointment of the year, haha

Most dramatic day of racing

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post Dec 13 2012, 11:08 AM

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from a scale of 1 to 10. 1 being baby and 10 being mature.

what do you think of the malaysian cycling scene's maturity?
are there a lot of people aware of this sport? Or is there still a long way to go? comparing to running as a sport, how far apart are they?
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post Dec 13 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(smang @ Dec 13 2012, 11:08 AM)
from a scale of 1 to 10. 1 being baby and 10 being mature.

what do you think of the malaysian cycling scene's maturity?
are there a lot of people aware of this sport? Or is there still a long way to go? comparing to running as a sport, how far apart are they?
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depending on what you are comparing it with... and which discipline of the sport...

if you say track cycling especially sprints, i believe our national athletes are among the top 10-20 in the world...

if you say road cycling, maybe within asia they are quite good... going to worlds, they are not at that level i believe because the sports council does not pour as much money into developing cyclist as compared to say, badminton...

in terms of sport, as i say... the national sports council has to fork out the money first.. else, i don't see any parents want to see their son into a sport where there is no bright future and huge risks of career ending injuries...

in terms of awareness, i guess we have one of the more reputable races among asian countries in LTDL... which is actually rated quite high before the tour of qatar and all the china tours came in... and we have quite a lot of coverage of the sport from eurosport on astro...

but, public interest is the interesting thing where i think is lacking... not counting cyclists, i think there is not a lot of outsiders who pay attention to cycling as opposed to sport like badminton or football...and i don't blame them... it is a blardy awfully boring sport where you see a bunch of sweaty dudes doing nothing but pushing pedals for 5 hours and only 1 fool gets to win...

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post Dec 13 2012, 11:27 AM

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simply amazing...
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post Dec 13 2012, 11:30 AM

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Haha let see. Hopefully it lasts another 1000km.

Btw vin Ann, what's the normal avg speed for the p2k peloton?
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post Dec 13 2012, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Dec 13 2012, 11:30 AM)
Btw vin Ann, what's the normal avg speed for the p2k peloton?
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un-bearable...


Added on December 13, 2012, 11:40 am
QUOTE(Confession @ Dec 13 2012, 11:27 AM)


simply amazing...
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think the same happened last year with another rider.. broke away, fell down and picked his bike up immediately to win the stage with a closing peloton...


Added on December 13, 2012, 11:48 am12speed and wireless... also bluetooth capable..



now you can sabo your friends on a climb.. hahahaha


Added on December 13, 2012, 11:51 amhttp://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/tiso-launches-wireless-12-speed-electronic-road-group-35956/

don't know why...



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post Dec 13 2012, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(apisthetic @ Dec 13 2012, 10:32 AM)
well said  rclxms.gif

kesian lance. if mostly pro cyclists dope, he still the only one that win.
its like cheating in exam laa. some people cheat but still don't get highscore.
the one that get the highest score understand the subject + cheat a bit because he forgot few topics tongue.gif
its not like doper always win.
doper still need serious training+best bike+etc. then he can win.

and if everybody dopes, le tour de france was a fair game. if laa  hmm.gif
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i think some of the articles written address your argument pretty well. and they trashed the kind of reasoning you've made pretty well too.
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post Dec 13 2012, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Dec 13 2012, 11:30 AM)
Haha let see. Hopefully it lasts another 1000km.

Btw vin Ann, what's the normal avg speed for the p2k peloton?
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QUOTE(butthead @ Dec 13 2012, 11:36 AM)
un-bearable...


Added on December 13, 2012, 11:40 am

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yup. un-bearable...

imagine from Titi back to Hulu langat bt 18, going up hills still can achieve 20km/hr....

and last 5km before reaching Batu 14, still can speed up more than 40km/hr...

Avg speed are around 35km/hr plus plus...

now everyone trains for KL-PG coming this month end.
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post Dec 13 2012, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Dec 13 2012, 11:01 AM)
armstrong, in some peoples eyes is still the winner because among the era where doping was rampant.. he was still a winner among the dopers because he did everything he could whether it was inside or outside of the sport to guarantee his victories...he took performance enhancing in one way or the other to the limits where no other riders went before...
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boss, don't tell me u r an armstrong fanboy?


Added on December 13, 2012, 12:29 pm
QUOTE(butthead @ Dec 13 2012, 11:21 AM)
it is a blardy awfully boring sport where you see a bunch of sweaty dudes doing nothing but pushing pedals for 5 hours and only 1 fool gets to win...
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agreed. i usually skip to the last 5km. haha


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QUOTE(butthead @ Dec 13 2012, 11:36 AM)
un-bearable...
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can runny nose dripping on handlebar be a good gauge of p2k avg speed?


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Added on December 13, 2012, 11:03 amKatusha plans to sue UCI over promoting Argos Shimano to Worldtour license and dropping them.
Katusha plans court battle with UCI over WorldTour license snub

about time, with rodriguez? why the shovel out the window?
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but why???

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post Dec 13 2012, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Dec 13 2012, 12:24 PM)
i think some of the articles written address your argument pretty well. and they trashed the kind of reasoning you've made pretty well too.
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people are jealous of him icon_idea.gif
hahaha idk
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post Dec 13 2012, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Dec 13 2012, 12:24 PM)
i think some of the articles written address your argument pretty well. and they trashed the kind of reasoning you've made pretty well too.
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wats with the trashing...

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Dec 13 2012, 12:24 PM)
yup. un-bearable...

imagine from Titi back to Hulu langat bt 18, going up hills still can achieve 20km/hr....

and last 5km before reaching Batu 14, still can speed up more than 40km/hr...

Avg speed are around 35km/hr plus plus...

now everyone trains for KL-PG coming this month end.
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they like SM.. all i can say...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Dec 13 2012, 12:27 PM)
boss, don't tell me u r an armstrong fanboy?
i do have his autobiographies... you tell me?

i also bought eddy merckx autobiography... you tell me again..

more controversially, i bought michael schumacher's autobiography as well...

i like my tainted champions...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Dec 13 2012, 12:27 PM)

Added on December 13, 2012, 12:32 pm
can runny nose dripping on handlebar be a good gauge of p2k avg speed?
not good enough, if they ride so fast that your mucus don't even have the chance to fall to the handlebar and splatter back onto your face... that then considered too friggin fast...

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Added on December 13, 2012, 12:39 pm
but why???
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evidence of under table activities... that is why...

QUOTE(apisthetic @ Dec 13 2012, 12:39 PM)
people are jealous of him icon_idea.gif
hahaha idk
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people are jealous of a lot of people... that's human nature for you..


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i mistakenly read the second paragraph "But after a lackluster spring campaign that failed to garner a single result worth mentioning, and then, a time trial crash at the Critérium du Dauphiné that saw him abandon with a fractured scrotum, his form was nowhere to be seen."
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Dec 13 2012, 12:45 PM)
i mistakenly read the second paragraph "But after a lackluster spring campaign that failed to garner a single result worth mentioning, and then, a time trial crash at the Critérium du Dauphiné that saw him abandon with a fractured scrotum, his form was nowhere to be seen."
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let's hope he does what he needs to do next year... with or without his bro to bro fist him...

no bruyneel, it should be smooth sailing..

it was his pelvis lar.. not his wang chung...

if his wang chung got damaged... got bless he does not turn into a gurl...

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