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 Wizard Discussion v2, Come, all ye arcanists

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metalfreak
post Apr 29 2013, 09:47 PM

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post Apr 29 2013, 09:49 PM

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Time Warp (20%) + Bone Chill (15%) + Cold Blooded (20%) + Conflagration (10%) = 65% xtra dmg taken by enemy
Few meteor spam will surely melt mobs fast but on the downside the freeze time will be less
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post Apr 29 2013, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Apr 29 2013, 09:49 PM)
Time Warp (20%) + Bone Chill (15%) + Cold Blooded (20%) + Conflagration (10%) = 65% xtra dmg taken by enemy
Few meteor spam will surely melt mobs fast but on the downside the freeze time will be less
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Unless you have a wizard nearby to help you with the freeze...

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post Apr 29 2013, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Apr 29 2013, 09:36 PM)
Nope, not yet but since MOBA, you and co. are our Saruman's benchmark, we are waiting for your feedback laugh.gif

If you ask me, based on my fingers aloha calculation, i think its going to be quite damaging (given if its 30 ApoC).

Fingers tired? Upgrade your dex! laugh.gif
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My wiz sucks. Trust me. Still tons of tweaking to do. You have way more experience than I do, should be listening to your advice.

QUOTE(Gecko @ Apr 29 2013, 09:49 PM)
Time Warp (20%) + Bone Chill (15%) + Cold Blooded (20%) + Conflagration (10%) = 65% xtra dmg taken by enemy
Few meteor spam will surely melt mobs fast but on the downside the freeze time will be less
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You need another wiz or this is suicide man.


QUOTE(peinsama @ Apr 29 2013, 09:58 PM)
Unless you have a wizard nearby to help you with the freeze...

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Yeah. Thing I dislike about wiz is u can't go all out DPS. And it seems there is no such things as too much AR.


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post Apr 30 2013, 04:31 AM

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Someone offered 3.5b for my amulet. I got it for 1b on the GAH and no one wanted it. Was on there for so many hours.

I guess you buy smth on GAH, then list it on diabloprogress. Some noob will offer you big money for it.
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post Apr 30 2013, 10:08 AM

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post Apr 30 2013, 04:57 PM

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Go buy your archon rings ASAP !!!!!

Avg Dmg, CC and CHD rings are archon rings IMO. Go before the price skyrocket.

Tal amulet too within the above rolls.

QUICK !!!!
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er reason for it to skyrocket even MORE? Tal Amulets are still out of reach. Pray to the Gods of RNG and hope for drop.


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post Apr 30 2013, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Apr 30 2013, 05:06 PM)
er reason for it to skyrocket even MORE? Tal Amulets are still out of reach. Pray to the Gods of RNG and hope for drop.
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I think tal amulets with say 6-7cc are still okay. The 10cc ones are insanely priced. Anyway i don't know how it is on the US but at least here average damage ones with 6-7cc are cheap. Basically, higher CC means higher price.

so just find one with high average damage because CC only inflates your DPS but average damage gives you solid damage.

Rare rings with average damage, CC and CHD should be cheap. I've seen some very good ones that are dirt cheap. People want trifecta so such rings are left out. And archon doesn't depend on AS so is a win win.

I only went for unity and wailing host because of the 8% elite i get from both rings.

Archon weapons might be the biggest problem at least here on the EU cuz some WDs are getting smart and starting to use black weapons with low APS. Some still use skorn but some use axe or spear which causes the price to rise.

Anyway, good luck and with patch 1.0.8 coming, archon will be a big hit i think.

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post May 1 2013, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Apr 29 2013, 10:12 PM)
My wiz sucks. Trust me. Still tons of tweaking to do. You have way more experience than I do, should be listening to your advice.
You need another wiz or this is suicide man.
Yeah. Thing I dislike about wiz is u can't go all out DPS. And it seems there is no such things as too much AR.
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Wutt....how can your wiz sucks, man..

QUOTE(2890 @ Apr 30 2013, 04:31 AM)
Someone offered 3.5b for my amulet. I got it for 1b on the GAH and no one wanted it. Was on there for so many hours.

I guess you buy smth on GAH, then list it on diabloprogress. Some noob will offer you big money for it.
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post May 1 2013, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ May 1 2013, 04:54 PM)
Wutt....how can your wiz sucks, man..
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1. not enough DPS
2. not enough mitigation

There you go.
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post May 2 2013, 03:21 AM

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DISINTEGRATE BUILD/SPEC (MINI ARCHON)
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/SwSw-2890/hero/11450608

Been trying out a disintegrate spec and so far pretty cool. Can channel without much problem and i only ran out of arcane power when up against 3 elite packs.

The stuff I bought to test this specs are:

1. Dark Mage Shade (-3 cost)
2. SoJ (-5 cost)

Well they are a few different combinations of gears.

1. Mempo + APoC Triumvirate + SoJ
2. Storm Crow with APoC + Triumvirate + SoJ
3. DMS + APoC Triumvirate + SoJ
4. DMS + Triumvirate + SoJ

The essential piece so far IMO is the SoJ unless you can further tweak the build but so far I've been unsuccessful to remove the SoJ

Best combination is No. 2 IMO cuz with a black weapon the 8% from storm crow > 9 AS and less AS is better with such channeling build. And APoC triumvirate is much more expensive and the average damage is lower as well.

Skills you can check my profile. There is one empty slot and i've used venow hydra cuz with a CM wiz is pretty good. Possible alternatives are Blizzard, Meteor, Arcane Orbit (looks very cool) or Arcane Torrent.

Another interesting spec is the one currently being worked on by metalfreak. The sleet storm build is pretty awesome. Black Ice is smth I'm currently looking at as well.

Anyway, let em know if u guys like it.
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post May 2 2013, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ May 2 2013, 03:21 AM)
DISINTEGRATE BUILD/SPEC (MINI ARCHON)
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/SwSw-2890/hero/11450608

Been trying out a disintegrate spec and so far pretty cool. Can channel without much problem and i only ran out of arcane power when up against 3 elite packs.

The stuff I bought to test this specs are:

1. Dark Mage Shade (-3 cost)
2. SoJ (-5 cost)

Well they are a few different combinations of gears.

1. Mempo + APoC Triumvirate + SoJ
2. Storm Crow with APoC + Triumvirate + SoJ
3. DMS + APoC Triumvirate + SoJ
4. DMS + Triumvirate + SoJ

The essential piece so far IMO is the SoJ unless you can further tweak the build but so far I've been unsuccessful to remove the SoJ

Best combination is No. 2 IMO cuz with a black weapon the 8% from storm crow > 9 AS and less AS is better with such channeling build. And APoC triumvirate is much more expensive and the average damage is lower as well.

Skills you can check my profile. There is one empty slot and i've used venow hydra cuz with a CM wiz is pretty good. Possible alternatives are Blizzard, Meteor, Arcane Orbit (looks very cool) or Arcane Torrent.

Another interesting spec is the one currently being worked on by metalfreak. The sleet storm build is pretty awesome. Black Ice is smth I'm currently looking at as well.

Anyway, let em know if u guys like it.
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Cool mayn, i seen this build on youtube by this fella named Archon somethang. Based on the current build in your profile, is the ApoC enough to counter the arcane used by Disintegrate? Another version i see, is substituting the hydra with Blizzard while glass cannon substituted by Temporal Flux
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Wa Lou eh, I'm getting fed up with RNG. Been doing mp5 repeatedly and nth. 3 alkaizer runs get 1m. So to get 100m means 300 alkaizer runs..wow fantastic baby..

Pls share how u guys farm gold these days. Other than rmah, I'm pretty old school and not open minded enuf to buy gold frm 3rd party. Flipping? I don't even get much frm it. Items getting cheaper n cheaper and I don't hav luck to encounter idiots selling 10% of actual price.
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QUOTE(Davy123 @ May 2 2013, 12:10 PM)
Wa Lou eh, I'm getting fed up with RNG. Been doing mp5 repeatedly and nth. 3 alkaizer runs get 1m. So to get 100m means 300 alkaizer runs..wow fantastic baby..

Pls share how u guys farm gold these days. Other than rmah, I'm pretty old school and not open minded enuf to buy gold frm 3rd party. Flipping? I don't even get much frm it. Items getting cheaper n cheaper and I don't hav luck to encounter idiots selling 10% of actual price.
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Well my style is....

For the runs i make, i keep legendary (62-63) and set items un-id. Sometimes i do keep rings and ammy.

When 1.08 comes, walaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa id all together and see which one sellable.

actually this is syok sendiri type of run ._.
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want to ask sifu here, the black weapon + triumvirate calculation is base on the weapon average dmg or the dps ?

which one should i buy ?

let say a 1100dps wand, 1.4as, lower avg dmg to spear
and 1100dps spear, 1.2as, higher avg dmg than wand


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^ aspd beats avrg dmg flat. In your case you get mor dps frm wand, after including the element bonus..do u want a full explanation? Will be very long..hehe
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Can use Skorn in Archon?
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post May 2 2013, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ May 2 2013, 11:47 AM)
Cool mayn, i seen this build on youtube by this fella named Archon somethang. Based on the current build in your profile, is the ApoC enough to counter the arcane used by Disintegrate? Another version i see, is substituting the hydra with Blizzard while glass cannon substituted by Temporal Flux
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Yeah the 10 APoC is enough. I can channel the beam non stop even on mobs with extra health affix. Yeah there is an empty slot currently and I chose venom hydra cuz i was running with a CM wiz. Temporal flux is good if u solo i think.

DS - crystal shell don't seem to be needed. I tried using duplicates. ACtually i think they are two empty skill slots now.

QUOTE(chitchat @ May 2 2013, 12:58 PM)
want to ask sifu here, the black weapon + triumvirate calculation is base on the weapon average dmg or the dps ?

which one should i buy ?

let say a 1100dps wand, 1.4as, lower avg dmg to spear
and 1100dps spear, 1.2as, higher avg dmg than wand
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Depends. If you wanna go archon build. AS is not important.

Triumvirate calculation is based on the weapon's damage range. The spear is better.


QUOTE(yuhhaur @ May 2 2013, 02:32 PM)
Can use Skorn in Archon?
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Yeah but you lose out on the awesome triumvirate offhand man.
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QUOTE(Davy123 @ May 2 2013, 02:20 PM)
^ aspd beats avrg dmg flat. In your case you get mor dps frm wand, after including the element bonus..do u want a full explanation? Will be very long..hehe
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I think the spear is better.

The AS only inflates the DPS but average damage is doesn't. Plus elemental damage benefits more from avg dmg.

wrong?

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