Well, both OS are very different, one is a locked down simple OS, another is a flexible, customizable OS; it's not really fair to compare.
Comparing both OS, in terms of stability, smoothness, speed, WP surely wins, but it's restricted, little customization, etc. Both are very different in fact, WP is more toward iOS style but less restricted, more flexible and more customizable, more lively.

If comparing price, all OS have it's own value, and it also depends on the user. So, to Mr. A maybe they feel all OS are the same, and which one is faster means better, but to Mr. B, he maybe looking for a proper smartphone, a true mobile computer OS, in this case, it will be different story.

But anyway, there's no right or wrong, as long as the person is satisfied with the device. In terms of hardware and classification of the device though, the L820 should be mid-range which should be below S3, L920 should be the more proper competitor against S3.
Just like cars, there is different category and classifications, like B Segment, C Segment, D Segment. New generation cars are bigger, but it's still the same category/segment.

Oh ya u are right. But it's also not very fair to compare the price since S3 RM16xx is dealer price. If compare retail price, S3 RM1999 vs L820 RM1599 edi. But for dealer price, I believe it will take some time for L820 price to drop drastically.

Yes, should be RRP price, and RRP for S3 when launch is RM2199?

As long as it's popular, the price should be able to maintain and won't drop like crazy like the previous Lumias. The previous Lumia mainly due to WP7 and also the announcement that it cannot be upgraded to WP8.

what? s3 now rm16xx something?? what a drop there!!

How do you define fast? Scrolling flat 2D menu with simple 2 colour tiles up and down?

This is a real error message from Lumia 920. I'm not sure how you are supposed to insert a Windows installation disk into a phone.






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LOL, nice try

Web browsing smoothness also I think. I mean high end single core Android vs high end single core WP7.
Or just overall usage. Dual core Android just play with it in the shop also can feel some lag on the animation and all that.

This post has been edited by danielcmugen: Dec 16 2012, 09:32 PM

LOL!

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Added on December 17, 2012, 12:24 amsometimes i just wonder is it the andriod use some custom skin or what make it laggish ?

how about try both in vanilla one


This post has been edited by Agito666: Dec 17 2012, 12:24 AM

im so surprise symbian thread still active.
anyway,i would like to voice out my user review after few months usage.
the camera capabilities are simply awesome and unbeatable in phone territory.Rich sound recording are another add value feature as well.other than that,the video recording capabilities makes me proud of owning 808 when show it to my friend.Ovi Maps(symbian) used to be 1 of the top in mapping navigation but now ovi maps in symbian isn't competitive enough as compare to other platform like ovi maps in windows phone 8,waze in the android etc.

other that the advantages i stated as above,the others are disadvantages....

There're many factors, but technicals aside, to make it simple.
If you create something SIMPLE, it will surely be easy to manage, smooth, fast, etc.
Imagine if there is a BIG concert, but there is ONLY ONE entrance, in terms of security and controls, it's very easy to control and you don't to hire many people (manpower and resources). If you open MANY doors, you need to have more security, more manpower and resources, you need to control and manage, update the list, sooo many more things and it's much more harder to coordinate and communicate.

In terms of OS, to make it simple, we use Windows as sample and imagine you're in IT department which controls user's priviledge, accounts, networks, etc. If you control strictly the each user account, means give them a very restricted and limited account priviledge so they cannot install software, they only allow to run and use "allowed" applications, they can only access certain folders/drives, they can only see certain file types, etc. The more strict and limitations you provide, the easier to control your user and less problems.
But would you want to use such computer as your personal computer at home???

ya i mean this, window mobile now still so far dont have custom skin yet right?

about my personal computer, i dont install much rubbish also, only some 2-3 useful apps in chrome browser and i also disabled AERO theme, useless lol. nearly want to switch window 95 theme.

Not sure, but those skin also don't do much because Windows Phone is using tiles which is controlled and restricted, unlike Widgets on Symbian, Android.
Windows Mobile is different from Windows Phone, Windows Mobile have proper homescreen and more flexible and less restricted.

As for your personal computer, it's depends on how each person use, understanding, RESPONSIBILITY, etc. A proper smartphone, which suppose to work like a mobile computer, will give flexibility, customizations, and this is important for the user to know, understand and be responsible.
Of course, nowadays PC are fast, powerful; Imagine those old days, how many user will complain the PC are slow and laggy, crash, etc, worst when many user are NEW to computer, and very impatience, they will bang the mouse, bang the keyboard, kick the CPU, etc. Imagine those days without even Streamyx, using dial-ups only, how those people bear with the internet speed? I used to play online games with dial-ups, Strategy Games still OK, imagine racing games, the cars will dissapear and reappear, etc. For those people who don't understand, impatience and just don't care, will complain to the max, which won't help or fix anything.

We have many choices now, go for the device/OS which suit your needs.
As example, don't get a "fuel-saving car" and try to race/speed like sports performance car, then complain the car has no power and not fuel saving. Similarly, if one gets a performance sports car, no point complain the car fuel consumption is higher than normal car.

For me, I don't need super smooth/fast smartphone. That's not the important thing for smartphone, smartphone is about mobile computing in a phone. smooth/fast is GOOD to have, but most important it it's able to provide me the flexibility, customization or like a mini computer. It's not a must to have like 0.5 seconds faster when opening Contacts, it's a NICE to have, but not a must. I would prefer to have the flexibility and customization, instead of being controlled and restricted. Imagine buying a entry level DSLR, but you cannot access manual mode.....

It depends on each user/customer, some don't need those flexibility/customization, hence there're different OS choice to suit different user needs; The problem here is, these flexiblity/customization is not something the OS cannot give/provide, is the company decides NOT to give to the customers/users, so in short, we're being short-changed, just like I said, imagine a entry level DSLR, and they remove the manual mode because they want to restrict and control the users. Imagine they come out with different versions of Windows OS for PC/Laptop, and default version they give with limitations and restrictions, you cannot see all files, you cannot simply install applications, etc. so now they can reduce "user issues".


This post has been edited by Andy214: Dec 17 2012, 12:55 PM

wah so mant interesting points here

This post has been edited by skylinelover: Dec 17 2012, 02:26 PM

haha

for me, i need minimal waiting time to start an apps/ open apps/program.
customize or not, as long as clean enough is okay.
and my PC is core 2 duo only

Yup, minimal is normal, or like acceptable performance/speed at least. As a user, the user should also know how to utilize and be responsible, it's the same theory to any products, if the person upgrades to a sports car, the person needs to know how to handle and utilize it, accept the harder ride (less comfort) to sacrifice for better handling, higher fuel consumption, etc. In terms of camera example, if one upgrade to a DSLR with bigger sensor, one needs to understand the changes in DOF, using and framing with the viewfinder, difference in auto-focus, lens, apertures, etc.

Let's say iOS, it's very restricted and limited, no homescreen, no file manager, not allowed to view other files types, everything goes through iTunes, no flexibility/customization and very simple/straightforward for the user. It's good for users to pickup and learn, but there's no room for them to improve and they will forever stuck and rely on these features and never thought they can actually do this or that with a real smartphone. With this mindset, when they see other smartphone which is more capable, flexible and customizable, it looks "complicated", "scary", "hard to learn and use". If a user use a simple camera without much buttons or dial, just point and shoot, it's simple and easy to use right? Pass them a DSLR with all buttons, modes, multiple dials, complex menu, lenses, etc. It "complicated" ,"scary", "hard to learn and use". But... actually, both can still use AUTO mode.

yet again andy u r dam right i must agree with all your points

since "complicated/scary/hard 2 learn n use" is not in my vocabulary,,,i going 2 use windows 8 soon that is another new thing i going 2 use bsides android haha

This post has been edited by skylinelover: Dec 17 2012, 11:48 PM

Hehe, all depends on each user, their needs and what they want. As long as the person buy thing that fit his/her needs or requirement, not buy because other people say it's good (which is pretty common, then after buy, if it doesn't satisfy them, they will complain this and that, right?).

andy still soo hardworking at symbian thread...

Some things don't change. In the early days of Windows we have the 3 finger salute (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) when the OS crash. Now more than 15 years later we have the 3 finger salute (Vol Down, Camera, Power) to reset a Windows Phone when it crash.