Actually WP7.5 is more restricted than ios but without the apps. There are also lot's of unnecessary restrictions. For example those who register their age as less than 18 in the setup are not allowed to download any apps, even free ones. Why I do not know. To my knowledge there are no content in the app store that <18 y.o. can't handle.

Those using prepaid have a problem with WP7.5 as it cannot handle USSD codes. Nokia support recommends that they swap their SIM to a dumb phone, perform USSD transactions and swap back to their not-so-smart Lumia.

The wi-fi disconnects when the phone sleeps so any background updates, notifications or instant messages will use 3G or stop working. Too bad if you don't have 3G and need push email

There are many, many other usability issues with WP7.5 which show that this OS is still very rough and jagged. WP8 may improve on it but it will still be playing catch up with Symbian, ios and Android. Although Microsoft promise that WP8 will be able to run WP7 apps this remains to be seen as there are major changes in OS kernel, programming language, processor architecture and resolution. Frankly I have my doubts as even minor upgrades of an OS can break some apps.

As for the Lumia 920 it will be priced higher than Galaxy S3 and just under an iphone 5. The 820 will be priced about the same as a Galaxy S3. Good luck to Nokia!

WP claims to have 100,000 apps but what is the use if you can't even find a screenshot or a data monitor app? There is also no call recorder, call blocker or sms scheduler.

MeeGo has only about 2000 useful apps but you can find all of the above and much more. It's not quantity but quality that counts.

I strongly advise you not to get a 920 or any other WP. Even a Nokia N8 has a better camera than the 920 and runs an OS which is much more usable and feature rich than WP7.5. In fact WP7.5 is so far behind Symbian Belle that I can safely say that WP8 will still be playing catch-up.

N9 thread sometimes only 1-2 posts a day. The phone still good but community already quiet. Andy also never drop by N9 thread now.

Does it sound as good as a N9 or better? Music is a big deal with me and the S3 (which I have an eye on) also has a Wolfson chip.

No, I haven't got the S3 yet. Thinking about it but probably won't make a move until next year. I still prefer N9 multitasking and being able to close apps with a swipe or let apps remain open. Closing apps is a pain in Android. Sometimes the back button closes it, sometimes it doesn't. N9 also never give me this restart nonsense when I go back to a background app.

But S3 has a bigger screen and more APPS. For MeeGo I think the store will be more or less stagnant from now on. Unwilling to move but also forced to move unless want to be stuck with in a dead end OS.

2GB RAM version of S3? Got here meh?

Android is improving all the time. Android 2.1.2 has multisplit screen to run different apps in each screen. Android 4.2 has just been announced. But MeeGo's multitasking still cannot be beaten.

One problem with Android is the lateness of getting OS updates from manufacturer. It can take 9 months for a major version change and 6 months for a version upgrade like 4.0 to 4.1.1.

Symbian like MeeGo is already dead end and won't be improved anymore. Resolution is stuck at 640x480. App store is stagnant as developers have run away. Like Bada it is a sunset OS.

Ios too many restrictions. Don't even get me started on WP7. Tizen, BB10 and Jolla too risky. I'm not going to buy into another new OS and wait hopefully for apps. Bitten once by Bada and again by MeeGo. Twice is enough!

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 30 2012, 12:38 PM

16GB non-expandable storage not enough for me. My music already occupy 15GB.

WP8 was launched yesterday. Gsmarena has a review on it. I don't see any cutting edge features there. Some of them should have been in WP7.5 like re-sizable tiles and data monitor. Still no bluetooth file transfer. It is still far behind Android and trying to catch up with ios. One weird feature is Kid's Corner to let kids play with your phone safely. I say, do many users want their mobile phones to double up as toys for their kids? Microsoft is funny.

BGR has a review of HTC's Windows Phone 8X. The review is not a must read but the concluding comments hit the mark. To quote some passages:

It’s the same old story… apps.

High-quality Windows Phone apps are still incredibly scarce compared to the leading mobile platforms and momentum is not in Microsoft’s favor. It has been more than two and a half years since “Windows Phone Series 7″ was first announced and more than two years since the first round of devices launched. And still, apps are a huge issue.

For one thing, the platform is missing hundreds of popular apps that have been available on other platforms for quite some time. For another, many popular developers that do decide to bring their apps over to Windows Phone have done a very poor job, either due to inexperience with the platform and available tools, limitations and performance issues in Windows Phone itself, or a combination of both.

Users can’t switch from Android or iOS to Windows Phone if they don’t have access to their favorite apps. And users won’t switch if the apps they do have access to don’t perform well.


At the end of the day Windows Phone 8 is a tough sell just like Windows Phone 7.5, which was a tough sell just like Windows Phone 7. It’s not for lack of trying, and it certainly doesn’t speak to the quality of the software or the devices that carry it. HTC’s Windows Phone 8X is a gorgeous, elegant smartphone with a unique design and solid performance.

The sad truth is that there is still no compelling argument for Windows Phone over one of the market leaders.

The optimist in me wants to tell you that can change. The app situation will improve now that Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 share code, the third-party app performance situation will improve now that Windows Phone has a new core and new options for developers, and the visibility situation will improve now that Microsoft and Nokia are both dumping serious dollars into marketing. But the pessimist in me isn’t quite convinced. There are still too many ifs.

Compounding matters is the fact that as it stands today, there is no real differentiation that presents clear and important advantages over the competition. Nothing jumps out as a significant benefit over Android and the iPhone. Sure there are things Windows Phone has that its rivals do not, but they are not a big enough draw to really sway buyers.

If you’re willing to make do with Windows Phone in its current state and play the waiting game, I wholeheartedly recommend the Windows Phone 8X. This phone is awesome. The hardware is outstanding and the operating system is unique and smooth. But there are unavoidable compromises you’ll have to make in jumping over to the Windows Phone camp and now, more than two years since the platform first launched, people still seem unwilling to make those compromises.

P.S. Sorry about hijacking this thread...kekekeke

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 30 2012, 07:00 PM

After reading the WP8 specs I think Microsoft has listened to many of the users' complaints and removed some of the major restrictions. Now WP8 has mass storage mode, bluetooth file transfer, micro-SD card, can use any MP3 file as ringtone and not tied to Zune anymore. Previously they try to ape Apple thinking that if iphone can do it then so can they. This is erroneous logic as iphone and WP8 have different target markets. For example no iphone user complains about no bluetooth file transfer but this is the most requested feature in WP7.5.

However it may be too little, too late now for WP8. If those features including re-sizable tiles had been in WP7.5 they won't be suffering with less than 3.5% share now. WP8 is still far behind Android and only a little less restricted than ios. Those who don't like ios restrictions will go for Android. Iphone fans can live with ios restrictions or they can jailbreak. MS will just have a fringe market for those who don't like ios and Android.

As for Nokia it cannot survive even if WP8 is moderately successful. It has to share the cake with Samsung, HTC and Microsoft who will be making their own phones next year. Efforts to convert Symbian users to WP7.5 failed with only 2 out of 10 converting. Nokia isn't nimble enough to compete with Samsung and HTC and Microsoft will clobber all of them. Here's an interesting article which hits the mark.

"Game over for Nokia," says ex-Microsoft exec

Symbian Belle is still a much better OS than WP7.5 or WP8 with more power and more features. Even if it is not improved any more it will still take years for WP to catch up if ever. But the snag is that developers are no longer interested in developing for Symbian so you have to be satisfied with a stagnant app store.

Sorry to disagree with you but I think only a dying company will sell their HQ and lease back.

Not bad? You can buy a Galaxy S3 for the price of L820!

How do you define fast? Scrolling flat 2D menu with simple 2 colour tiles up and down?

This is a real error message from Lumia 920. I'm not sure how you are supposed to insert a Windows installation disk into a phone.






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Some things don't change. In the early days of Windows we have the 3 finger salute (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) when the OS crash. Now more than 15 years later we have the 3 finger salute (Vol Down, Camera, Power) to reset a Windows Phone when it crash.