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Hi-Fi Audiophile Bookshelf Speaker: X-LS Encore, Rated 5-star from audiofi.net

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TSfx20
post Jun 17 2014, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(vivakarna @ Jun 6 2014, 03:51 PM)
interesting, would love to try one side by side
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I am getting gatal to listen to them side by side now. Vivakarna let's arrange for a A/B test for this speaker to see if it live up to what it claimed.

According to the seller, it has "7 days money back guarantee for COD customers only". It is not harm to give it a try.

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post Jun 20 2014, 06:32 AM

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The following are famous Sonodyne SM50AK, one of the high end studio monitors.

Could you spot the similarity between these studio with XLS-Encore? It is one of the main reason why XLS sounds so sweet at high register.

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post Jun 20 2014, 06:40 AM

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More customer setup.
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Emerald Physics DAC2+TP60+XLS Encore. A setup for vocal music. "All BLACKS"

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post Jun 20 2014, 10:29 AM

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any recommendation for bluetooth earset/headset for vocal music?
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Jun 17 2014, 06:44 PM)
I am getting gatal to listen to them side by side now. Vivakarna let's arrange for a A/B test for this speaker to see if it live up to what it claimed.

According to the seller, it has "7 days money back guarantee for COD customers only". It is not harm to give it a try.
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Ya, please do a Justice Bao listening session to compare those 2 drool.gif

Can't wait for you all reviews cool.gif rclxm9.gif


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post Jun 20 2014, 11:10 AM

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where to review?
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post Jun 21 2014, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 20 2014, 11:08 AM)
Ya, please do a Justice Bao listening session to compare those 2 drool.gif

Can't wait for you all reviews cool.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Hi bro, I have to tell you this will not happen. My friend in KL have called and SMSed this fellow but got not response from him eventually.

By the way, I have called Taiwan www.AudioTaste.com.tw, who designed the speaker, and spoke to Mr Chung, and I was informed this is a speaker is to imitate BBC LS3/5A. Currently, it is priced at NT$8999 (RM899) with NT$1500 (RM150) discount voucher, and it is made by AAA in China. The two drivers are built by Jamo (I also heard Jamo has discontinued this drivers, for a reason they do not know).

I also spoke to MS Chen in AAA, China, where she promised me to point me to a speaker engineer and again it was never happened. It looked like they only able to read the spec from the website but not able to answer most of my questions.

Most importantly, after hours, nobody has or able to show me a SPL chart.

I have also spoken to my friends in Taiwan and Singapore and none of them realized the existence of the speaker. But one of my kind Taiwanese headfi friend, Mr Ching, pointed me to a forum thread,

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Headphone/M.1372947283.A.ACE.html

Accordingly, the impression of AAA 3/5A is as

" 喇叭區擺放的喇叭不多,以PSB、AAA、Amphion、KEF等廠牌為主 進去的時候,喇叭區唱歌的喇叭是AAA的復刻JM-3/5A 不大清楚是哪台AMP推的 聲音有點粗,低頻偏少,中頻還可以,高頻有點雜 各種聲音的搭配間夾有粗糙的顆粒,導致聲音銜接不是很流暢"

Google translated,

"There is not many speakers in the area: PSB, AAA, Amphion, KEF and other brands, the playing system is JM-3/5A AAA and an unknown amp, the acoustics was a little rough, no bass, mid is acceptable, high register is messy, the convergence of high, mid and low are filled up with rough particles, making the overall sound not very smooth"

Are you you still tempted?

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post Jun 21 2014, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(fx20 @ Jun 21 2014, 07:59 AM)
Hi bro, I have to tell you this will not happen. My friend in KL have called and SMSed this fellow but got not response from him eventually.

By the way, I have called Taiwan www.AudioTaste.com.tw, who designed the speaker, and spoke to Mr Chung, and I was informed this is a speaker is to imitate BBC LS3/5A. Currently, it is priced at NT$8999 (RM899) with NT$1500 (RM150) discount voucher, and it is made by AAA in China. The two drivers are built by Jamo (I also heard Jamo has discontinued this drivers, for a reason they do not know).

I also spoke to MS Chen in AAA, China, where she promised me to point me to a speaker engineer and again it was never happened.  It looked like they only able to read the spec from the website but not able to answer most of my questions.

Most importantly, after hours, nobody has or able to show me a SPL chart.

I have also spoken to my friends in Taiwan and Singapore and none of them realized the existence of the speaker.  But one of my kind Taiwanese headfi friend, Mr Ching, pointed me to a forum thread,

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Headphone/M.1372947283.A.ACE.html

Accordingly, the impression of AAA 3/5A is as

" 喇叭區擺放的喇叭不多,以PSB、AAA、Amphion、KEF等廠牌為主 進去的時候,喇叭區唱歌的喇叭是AAA的復刻JM-3/5A 不大清楚是哪台AMP推的 聲音有點粗,低頻偏少,中頻還可以,高頻有點雜 各種聲音的搭配間夾有粗糙的顆粒,導致聲音銜接不是很流暢"

Google translated,

"There is not many speakers in the area: PSB, AAA, Amphion, KEF and other brands, the playing system is JM-3/5A AAA and an unknown amp, the acoustics was a little rough, no bass, mid is acceptable, high register is messy, the convergence of high, mid and low are filled up with rough particles, making the overall sound not very smooth"

Are you you still tempted?
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I see, where is the feelfree guy go sweat.gif ? Maybe he can help to explain and demo a bit...

Just today I have clean my room and reposition xls-encore (as suggest by the diagram), resonance does not happen, but if I am not listen at my chair, e.g. like at side near speakers, still hear resonance quite strong, hmm guess I'll have to buy a subwoofer not long later...haha...


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post Jun 22 2014, 12:39 PM

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Most people use Tube amp to drive LS3/5a which they claimed is the better setup than pairing with SS amp. May I suggest the comparison of both speakers to be conducted under both SS and tube amp? at least under fair basis.
The AAA JM3/5a selling by another lowyat reseller in fact is 'obsoleted'product, the taiwan company introduced second edition some time ago (yes the one dropped to NT8999), but with Open Back design which betray the original design philosophy.
I have asked a few LS3/5a owner (regardless Roger/Kef etc) about this triple A imitate (or can we use reproduce) performance, none of them 'encourage' me to buy it, by giving reason such as "better buy well known or original brand" "you get what you pay for, in other word cheap does not guarantee quality" and the killing/cooling statement like "you don't have tube amp, what for you buy it".
Well, after cooling off for quite some time, i come across this Encore and almost buy from GR-Research (if not because of custom duty and the expensive courier charges....) But luckily I found one selling at Malaysia.
After having Encore for few months, I would say i love it more than my other price double speaker, especially after adding tube buffer (poor man tube setup). I don't know how to use those audio term to describe it (as all are personal judgement) but i like it more with tube buffer.
My fellow Encore owner here, have any of you mob the cap and resistor at the crossover? (FX20 might not agree). I kind of itchy want to upgrade the cap to sonicap (widely use by oversea Encore owner) or may be Mundorf cap... Please share here..
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post Jun 22 2014, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(burdiespooler @ Jun 22 2014, 12:39 PM)
Most people use Tube amp to drive LS3/5a which they claimed is the better setup than pairing with SS amp. May I suggest the comparison of both speakers to be conducted under both SS and tube amp? at least under fair basis.
The AAA JM3/5a selling by another lowyat reseller in fact is 'obsoleted'product, the taiwan company introduced second edition some time ago (yes the one dropped to NT8999), but with Open Back design which betray the original design philosophy.
I have asked a few LS3/5a owner (regardless Roger/Kef etc) about this triple A imitate (or can we use reproduce) performance, none of them 'encourage' me to buy it, by giving reason such as "better buy well known or original brand" "you get what you pay for, in other word cheap does not guarantee quality" and the killing/cooling statement like "you don't have tube amp, what for you buy it".
Well, after cooling off for quite some time, i come across this Encore and almost buy from GR-Research (if not because of custom duty and the expensive courier charges....) But luckily I found one selling at Malaysia.
After having Encore for few months, I would say i love it more than my other price double speaker, especially after adding tube buffer (poor man tube setup). I don't know how to use those audio term to describe it (as all are personal judgement) but i like it more with tube buffer.
My fellow Encore owner here, have any of you mob the cap and resistor at the crossover? (FX20 might not agree). I kind of itchy want to upgrade the cap to sonicap (widely use by oversea Encore owner) or may be Mundorf cap... Please share here..
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This is what I think about your thought on crossover. The current Encore facilitates high quality metallized polypropylene caps and air inductors. The purpose of crossover is to filter high and low pass. Changing the caps or inductor may improve the acoustics, probably smoother roll-offs, but I believe the money spent may have little effect of the output.

If you still want to try to play with crossover, I suggest you to look into this, DSP 2.4.

http://www.emeraldphysics.com/p/digital-processors.html

It worth the money to play with this alternative. Besides, it also fun to play with it.



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post Jun 23 2014, 04:05 PM

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Compare cost I think changing cap still a lot cheaper. Sonicap is about USD100 for two crossover, Mundorf MCap supreme may be USD200 or more (depend what value of cap), but it is still cheaper than adding DSP (wow DSP 2.4 retail price is.. USD850). Some more DSP is still another processor digitally alter the sound, whereas changing cap normally stick to the same value or little change of value (e.g. 0.22up to 0.33up) and hopping that the quality of the cap or the material used (MKS, MKT, FKP or MKP, with gold inside, Taiwan cap vs German cap etc) shall improve/smooth/make worse (whatever you called it) the sound but with signature intact.
Furthermore, cap/resistor upgrading (extend it to tube rolling, opamps swapping) with positive result will bring self-satisfaction.
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post Jul 14 2014, 01:00 AM

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Coming soon ... MTM, a perfect match for XLS Encore.

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QUOTE(burdiespooler @ Jun 22 2014, 12:39 PM)
Most people use Tube amp to drive LS3/5a which they claimed is the better setup than pairing with SS amp. May I suggest the comparison of both speakers to be conducted under both SS and tube amp? at least under fair basis.
The AAA JM3/5a selling by another lowyat reseller in fact is 'obsoleted'product, the taiwan company introduced second edition some time ago (yes the one dropped to NT8999), but with Open Back design which betray the original design philosophy.
I have asked a few LS3/5a owner (regardless Roger/Kef etc) about this triple A imitate (or can we use reproduce) performance, none of them 'encourage' me to buy it, by giving reason such as "better buy well known or original brand" "you get what you pay for, in other word cheap does not guarantee quality" and the killing/cooling statement like "you don't have tube amp, what for you buy it".
Well, after cooling off for quite some time, i come across this Encore and almost buy from GR-Research (if not because of custom duty and the expensive courier charges....) But luckily I found one selling at Malaysia.
After having Encore for few months, I would say i love it more than my other price double speaker, especially after adding tube buffer (poor man tube setup). I don't know how to use those audio term to describe it (as all are personal judgement) but i like it more with tube buffer.
My fellow Encore owner here, have any of you mob the cap and resistor at the crossover? (FX20 might not agree). I kind of itchy want to upgrade the cap to sonicap (widely use by oversea Encore owner) or may be Mundorf cap... Please share here..
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Seem like you are not really listen to the real LS3/5A before, even your so called LS3/5A owners, do you know why? Because no one will say tube amp is the only perfect match to the LS3/5A. And let me to repeat again, AAA JM3/5A isn't imitate the LS3/5A like what other brand did, such as Ho's, Jensen..., despite for this, the JM3/5A is using their own in-house built driver and crossover that followed their own specifications. If I'm not mistaken, the AAA the other lowyat member selling is the third generation of JM3/5A, not like what you said the obsolete 1st generation with sealed box, using the Peerless drivers. But whatever I said at here is useless if you are not listening to it before!
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Jul 15 2014, 03:08 PM)
Seem like you are not really listen to the real LS3/5A before, even your so called LS3/5A owners, do you know why? Because no one will say tube amp is the only perfect match to the LS3/5A. And let me to repeat again, AAA JM3/5A isn't imitate the LS3/5A like what other brand did, such as Ho's, Jensen..., despite for this, the JM3/5A is using their own in-house built driver and crossover that followed their own specifications. If I'm not mistaken, the AAA the other lowyat member selling is the third generation of JM3/5A, not like what you said the obsolete 1st generation with sealed box, using the Peerless drivers. But whatever I said at here is useless if you are not listening to it before!
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@feelfree, please re-read my post, I am not using those words that you implied that I saying them
I am not the owner of LS3/5A, the so called LS3/5A owners never listened to this AAA before. What they advise me is to get tube amp for LS3/5A (especially 845) as it is "better match" than SS amp (to clarify, I didn't said perfect match in my previous post but I do agreed with you that no one will said tube amp is the only perfect match, even the so called LS3/5A owner). And these LS3/5A fansboy (well, should called uncle) poison me to go for those original/licensed LS3/5A and 845 tube amp but not this AAA (again, I never said AAA is imitate, some other said it and I even suggest to use the word reproduce, but I did said it is open back, not like the original design). The statement such as "you don't have tube amp, what for you buy it" is not come out from me, but from one of the fansuncle.
I admitted that I am not really listen to the real LS3/5A before, less than an hour listening each time really cannot gain enough in depth on its sound signatures. I also wish that I can bring back home a set of LS3/5A but used one cost a lot.
As to this AAA, so bad I don't have opportunity to listen to it. That is why I requested others having opportunity to compare AAA & X-LS (in the same price range) side by side do add tube amp in their comparison.
However, best comparison should be this AAA vs those BBC,Stirling,Rogers etc orginal/licensed LS3/5A. Sounds like you listen to both of them, mind to share your opinion and setup here?
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Introducing X-CS Encore ...

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The Mid-Tweeter-Mid (MTM) is our new addition to the X series line of speaker since we have introduced X-LS Encore in 2013. X-CS Encore is originally meant to be a center channel to match X-LS Encore who loves multi-channel listening experience.

One of the significant fact about this speaker is the X-CS Encore is a sealed box which is attributed with slow bass roll-off and can be easily balanced with a subwoofer which provides a larger sweet spot for the low frequency crossover compared to ported speakers.

The best part is, with two units of X-CS Encore, they can be placed vertically on speaker stands functioning as stereo speaker. The on-axis listening height will deliver the smoothest sound on most listening material. We assure you that the female vocalists sounded sweet and clear, and male vocalists sounded rich and strong.

For more info, please visit

http://www.curveacoustics.com/x-cs-encore.html
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post Sep 15 2014, 01:57 PM

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Audiofi.net has rated XLS-Encore with 5 stars.


"There was nothing to dislike about the Encores, from the sonic perspective. They serve up a generous scale, and are well-controlled and finely detailed, conveying much of the musicality inherent in a recording without fuss. Whatever your musical diet, these black boxes have a handle on it. And there’s the bass…"



Please read the full review at

http://audiofi.net/2014/08/x-ls-encore-spe...for-bass-heads/

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post Oct 2 2014, 01:57 PM

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Since a lot of people asked me what is the use of copper cap in the woofers, here is the answer.

It is used for reduce impedance increment at high frequency and reduce the nonlinearity due to inductance modulation.
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did an upgrade on the XLS encore passive. was ask by a good fren to assist him.
overall speaker has a good built. bracing on sides, dampen, thick MDF constructions.
12/12db xover with tweeter attenuation + RC contour to give more 'airyness' and parallel resistor to dampen the impedance peak on tweeter

upgraded to sonic gen I caps and Mills resistor using 4% silver solder. parts supplied by curve.
sound: i like what i hear..

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post Nov 19 2014, 09:17 PM

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Nice.

Any significant difference with the sonicaps?

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