you do know that the KDS 450QS is a 6ch machine, right? it doesn't fly anywhere near the small v911's characteristic. it's more complex to setup, harder to fly, and requires more knowledge to maintain. crashing is pretty inevitable in your 1st CP flight and crashing a 450 will yield more damages than crashing a v911.

you can actually see how a heli flies by looking at the flybar. the v911's flybar is 45 degrees to the main blade. this means it would auto stabilize if you let go of the cyclic stick. the 450qs, or any other CP(6ch) helis, has a 90 degree flybar. this means once you push the cyclic in on direction, it will just move in that direction until a counter force is applied. no auto stabilization. so even hovering in a 4ftx4ft square is difficult to master.

i'm not trying to discourage you or anything. just want you to know what you're getting into. if you're up for the task, then by all means. seen to many people jumping into CP then quitting this hobby because they cant handle the crashing and setups.

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Oct 30 2014, 09:51 AM

Yes, I'm fully aware of the difference in channels involve, and the fact that one uses a 45 degree flybar and one uses a 90 degree flybar. An the fact tha one is fixed pitch and the other is collective pitch.

The KDS is one of the cheapest 6 ch 450 size heli, with "cheap" parts. So I can replace them when I crash. (I know I will surely crash, I just really hope not on my first flight..)

Which is why I'm asking if I should consider the KDS Flymentor, it returns the heli back to hovering position the moment the no input is given by the cyclic stick. I know this is a difficult hobby, but it's just too interesting to pass..

But thanks for the feedback!

quoting myself.

i wanted to go to 450QS route as well at some point, but decided to go FPV instead. i do agree that the 450QS makes a great entry level CP heli. brushless motor, belt drive, plastic parts(cheap)...much better than some of the other available options.

I just tried flying the 450QS and it was so difficult.. Haha..
Definitely nothing like the V911 in any way.
But I'm gonna keep trying~

haha...that's why i keep my honey bee around. it pretty much flies the same way as a CP, but smaller(can play indoor), simpler(no setup headache) & lighter(less crash damage). it's pretty exiting to fly something so erratic, isn't it? it is at this point that you'll realize hovering a quad, or a v911 for that matter, is not really an accomplishment.

I know!! Haha, suddenly it feels like flying my V911 is totally unchallenging.
My whole body was stiff just trying to keep it hovering.
I'm thinking of getting a KDS Flymentor, at least it could be a back up plan when I panic..
Anyone here knows how to set it up??

...and the relieve you fell once you managed to land safely after a full charge continuous flight is just.....

Haha, I know that feel bro..
Soon I'll high blood problem..
Maybe I should have moved up to a V977 first..

You guys are aware that you can practice you 6ch flying skill on a computer. Hook you controller up and you could buy a copy of a RC heli simulator (or download an ahem copy). Its very realistic where you could set every variable there is so that you could be practicing to as close as possible to the real thing, even wind speed. At least you get a feel of flying the real thing and crashes are free.

yes i do. been running simulators all the time. problem is, it's never the same experience. in the sim, you never have to worry about how bad you crash. this doesn't translate that well in real flight.

i can invert hover a 450 CP nose-in in the sim, but i'm pretty sure i'm not gonna be able to do it in real life. simply because scared of crashing kills the confidence.

I call the the video game syndrome. But still better than going straight to the real thing.

Haha, totally agree with this.
It's different in real life compared with the simulation, know that when you crash it will cost money. Not to mention being scared that the broken blade might fly straight at you..
But yeah, the simulation is definitely a big help!
A must for a beginner like me

haha...i guess you could call it that. my interest in this hobby does come from me playing too much combat heli sim.

yep, it does help. like learning stick movement for certain moves, eg circles, figure 8, even helps with some nose-in stuff. plus, you can always use it to see what would happen if you do certain stuff out of boredom. i do this a lot, like trying to loop an FP heli .

Anyone here using FPV?
What's the most budget oriented setup~?

fpv only setup .. rm400 and above

What's the run time on these systems?
Assuming I use a separate 1000mah for the transmitter and receiver (with the monitor), how long will the batteries last?

when i say say fpv system only ... that is only camera vtx vrx and a monitor
run times on your aricraft will run out way b4 any 1000mah used for vrx vtx runs out ..
a 200mw vtx will last about 45 mins easily using a 1000mah 3s

Nice~ 45 minutes is plenty~~
Now I just need to find a budget setup..

Anyone here knows where to get FrSky transmitter module in Selangor..? Any idea which shop sells them..?

anyone here fly FreeX skyview quadcopter?