any grinder or a electric grinder?
what are you currently using?

The famous hario!!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001802PIQ/r...X110_SY165_QL70

barazta encore isn't that good of a grinder for espresso using unpressurized portafilters.
according to reviews it great for pressurized portafilters.

buying on amazon means u have to get a power transformer 3X the wattage of the grinder.
do factor in the cost. or hunt for used

Shipping from taobao include?
Warranty?? Usually big crack down of parallel importer in the region unless u know how to fix it yourself. Parts they don't sell to u have to source overseas...

200 rm isn't big savings to me
My pal get me buy irobot ship to China savings is a few thousand RMB. Then again local dealer refuse to sell parts or filter.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 6 2014, 08:41 AM

Well there will be risk just greater or lesser.
So long u are comfortable with risk go ahead

Iirc some Italian online store sells stuff and they provide warranty. But I don't recall they carry low end grinders.
Ie
http://www.aboutespresso.com/coffee_grinde...=2&sort_dir=asc
https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com


Just received my China iPhone case, damage. If seller refuse to ship me replacement it's just 21rm gone. That risk I am ok.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 6 2014, 11:38 PM

I read ppl switching out to non pressurized ones then it's more sensitive to grind and freshness of beans.
I felt a play until one get those hx and nicer grinder.
Results wise the pressurize ones maybe better. If one cannot good results from pressurized harder to get good results from non that's my feeling

Prefect coffee != espresso
Prefect coffee can be brew thru different methods
Like art, perfect art can be done with clay, crayons, pencils etc.

Yes the learning curve is steep but without the right tools how to achieve? Baby steps 1st. Walk before u learn to run esp when one has a machine that is build for walking.

Perfect espresso shot depends on other factors temperature of water, stable pressure etc. that machine isn't capable of doing that. So switching is more playing.
A krups to encore grinder to many they ain't the grinder to produce the prefect shot

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 7 2014, 09:32 PM

Found a review here
http://www.kapihan.ph/forum/index.php?f=6&...&rb_v=viewtopic

http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/sunbeamgrinder.html

A lot of reviews on Australian forum
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1959709
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/30043-sunbeam-emo480.html

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 8 2014, 12:42 AM

I met ppl who pretty much bought the entire house Reno products on taobao. From toilet, floors, table, chairs, cabinets eye.. All ok

I order many stuff but mostly small stuff there, delivery times long. Branded high end quality good states still cheaper than taobao.

Well those world barista competitions almost always use single origin or those video I watched

I agree normally blends are used

then U cannot say single source beans not suited for espresso.
so long u can get the extraction they meant for right.. room for error narrow.

That's a lot of coffee!

Pressurized portafilter cannot use the 25-30 seconds rule
Can only go by taste

Did u adjust your grind?
If u grind it coarser will u get extraction?

if you not using a Heat exchanger E61 unit, you don't back flash.

with krups/delonghi those single boilers you don't do any back flash.
U need to descale. U can check for water hardness level and see how frequently u need to descale.

didn't know the cheap Gaggia Classic is build with a 3 way release valve and the Rancilio Silvia too. most cheap ones don't have it.
my HX requires no descaling but I was recommended not to use tap water.

I stand correctly HX one may have to do both!



This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 16 2014, 11:45 PM

Drove all way to get some klatch house blend.
http://www.klatchroasting.com/House_Espres...kla_hou_esp.htm

new year coffee!!

what I see on taobao are those lower end products are cheaper, highend goods I find them cheaper in states, little risk on fake too.

Here is a good hand grinder need some work
http://www.madebyknock.com/feldgrind.html

great reviews here on these babies
http://www.home-barista.com/grinders/coman...der-t33463.html

Looks like nothing come close to my fav HG ONE!