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 Basic Intake and Exhaust Modification Guide, for normal aspirated cars v1.0

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Jajay Chong Hon Keat
post Dec 10 2011, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Dec 10 2011, 05:34 PM)
lets jus say cannot in malaysia.. 4g15 dohc exist but not here...
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Lolx... Our dohc is 4G91? doh.gif
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post Dec 10 2011, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Dec 10 2011, 04:34 PM)
lets jus say cannot in malaysia.. 4g15 dohc exist but not here...
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not just say. it's totally cannot. that DOHC head is terbalik one.
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post Dec 10 2011, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 10 2011, 01:08 PM)
Cams will make the engine not stable leh... Well~ what is e management?
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Depends on what cams are fitted. I think you means rough idling with very high cams, not engine not stable.....
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post Dec 10 2011, 09:31 PM

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Previously having O2 problem with check engine light on but since the change. The light haven't come out for sometime already and will keep on testing just to be sure.

1.7" piping is enough for N/A engine at 1.5 & 1.6 not need to go until 2.0" that is what the exhaust shop owner tell me.

Anything above 1.7" is for cars like 1.8 and above. And max for N/A engine is 2.0".

Unsure about this fact as i got it from that owner.
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post Dec 10 2011, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 10 2011, 10:01 PM)
Depends on what cams are fitted. I think you means rough idling with very high cams, not engine not stable.....
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Any cams can you suggest for good idling(almost same as original) ? cool2.gif


Added on December 11, 2011, 12:44 amI am using K&N filter now but it's the original size for my engine. If I change it into K&N mushroom filter, will there any different?

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post Dec 11 2011, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(ben3085 @ Dec 10 2011, 09:31 PM)
Previously having O2 problem with check engine light on but since the change. The light haven't come out for sometime already and will keep on testing just to be sure.

1.7" piping is enough for N/A engine at 1.5 & 1.6 not need to go until 2.0" that is what the exhaust shop owner tell me.

Anything above 1.7" is for cars like 1.8 and above. And max for N/A engine is 2.0".

Unsure about this fact as i got it from that owner.
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I think quite accurate as my 2.0 turbo only using 2.5"


Added on December 11, 2011, 10:49 am
QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 10 2011, 11:40 PM)
Any cams can you suggest for good idling(almost same as original) ? cool2.gif


Added on December 11, 2011, 12:44 amI am using K&N filter now but it's the original size for my engine. If I change it into K&N mushroom filter, will there any different?
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I think bro. low yat 82 can advise you better on this, but basically older days we call them 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and full cams.
The higher the cam the rougher the idling but power gain is much better in the high end but poor in the lower end.
Lower cam have better idling and good lower end but high end gain is less, so you have to choose properly.

For mushroom type or open pod, best is couple with Cold Air Intake (CAI)

This post has been edited by vr2turbo: Dec 11 2011, 10:49 AM
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post Dec 11 2011, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(ben3085 @ Dec 10 2011, 09:31 PM)
Anything above 1.7" is for cars like 1.8 and above. And max for N/A engine is 2.0".
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 11 2011, 10:44 AM)
I think quite accurate as my 2.0 turbo only using 2.5"
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i disagree with it...piping size doesnt always relate to CC...its more on the amount of power u have and where in the rev ranger is that power at.

take for example 1.6...campros and CPS goes up to 2.0 and the gain is pretty decent... even CPS stock piping size is 2.0....go bigger and kaput...

but when it comes to the 1.6 MIVECs and VTECs...although the 2" pipes is pretty decent for those engines but they benefit more with 2.3" especially since most of the peak power is at the higher end of the rev range and the bigger pipe size really benefits the higher rev range.

my 2.0 VTEC is running 2.5" pipes.. and its good...so good.. 4-1, 2.5" pipe, 1 midbox, no muffler.

i also have an exhaust cut out valve.. so when the valve closed the exhaust is forced from a 2.5" pipe into a 2.3" pipe and s-flow muffler.....i lose 15hp about 1.2kg torque. tested this on the dyno just yesterday

so max n/a is 2.0"??? big big no.
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Dec 11 2011, 01:56 PM)
i disagree with it...piping size doesnt always relate to CC...its more on the amount of power u have and where in the rev ranger is that power at.

take for example 1.6...campros and CPS goes up to 2.0 and the gain is pretty decent... even CPS stock piping size is 2.0....go bigger and kaput...

but when it comes to the 1.6 MIVECs and VTECs...although the 2" pipes is pretty decent for those engines but they benefit more with 2.3" especially since most of the peak power is at the higher end of the rev range and the bigger pipe size really benefits the higher rev range.

my 2.0 VTEC is running 2.5" pipes.. and its good...so good.. 4-1, 2.5" pipe, 1 midbox, no muffler.

i also have an exhaust cut out valve.. so when the valve closed the exhaust is forced from a 2.5" pipe into a 2.3" pipe and s-flow muffler.....i lose 15hp about 1.2kg torque. tested this on the dyno just yesterday

so max n/a is 2.0"??? big big no.
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So what did you get at yesterday's dyno tune? smile.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Dec 11 2011, 01:56 PM)
i disagree with it...piping size doesnt always relate to CC...its more on the amount of power u have and where in the rev ranger is that power at.

take for example 1.6...campros and CPS goes up to 2.0 and the gain is pretty decent... even CPS stock piping size is 2.0....go bigger and kaput...

but when it comes to the 1.6 MIVECs and VTECs...although the 2" pipes is pretty decent for those engines but they benefit more with 2.3" especially since most of the peak power is at the higher end of the rev range and the bigger pipe size really benefits the higher rev range.

my 2.0 VTEC is running 2.5" pipes.. and its good...so good.. 4-1, 2.5" pipe, 1 midbox, no muffler.

i also have an exhaust cut out valve.. so when the valve closed the exhaust is forced from a 2.5" pipe into a 2.3" pipe and s-flow muffler.....i lose 15hp about 1.2kg torque. tested this on the dyno just yesterday

so max n/a is 2.0"??? big big no.
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In this case, how do I improve back my low end? add mid box?

current set-up, 4-2-1 , 2 small bullet + s flow muffler. running on 2.0" piping.
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post Dec 11 2011, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 11 2011, 10:44 AM)
I think quite accurate as my 2.0 turbo only using 2.5"


Added on December 11, 2011, 10:49 am
I think bro. low yat 82 can advise you better on this, but basically older days we call them 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and full cams.
The higher the cam the rougher the idling but power gain is much better in the high end but poor in the lower end.
Lower cam have better idling and good lower end but high end gain is less, so you have to choose properly.

For mushroom type or open pod, best is couple with Cold Air Intake (CAI)
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lol... any cams wit 270+- duration or lower is OK..provided d lift is not to aggressive... works enginerrin / powerzone cam looks fine. jasma cam if u r on tight budget...

but d rough idle is vry adrenaline pumpin... huhu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb4e5jYZDdM&feature=related

QUOTE(mADmAN @ Dec 11 2011, 01:56 PM)
i disagree with it...piping size doesnt always relate to CC...its more on the amount of power u have and where in the rev ranger is that power at.

take for example 1.6...campros and CPS goes up to 2.0 and the gain is pretty decent... even CPS stock piping size is 2.0....go bigger and kaput...

but when it comes to the 1.6 MIVECs and VTECs...although the 2" pipes is pretty decent for those engines but they benefit more with 2.3" especially since most of the peak power is at the higher end of the rev range and the bigger pipe size really benefits the higher rev range.

my 2.0 VTEC is running 2.5" pipes.. and its good...so good.. 4-1, 2.5" pipe, 1 midbox, no muffler.

i also have an exhaust cut out valve.. so when the valve closed the exhaust is forced from a 2.5" pipe into a 2.3" pipe and s-flow muffler.....i lose 15hp about 1.2kg torque. tested this on the dyno just yesterday

so max n/a is 2.0"??? big big no.
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agree... d pipe sizin is really depends on d engine characteristics n also d driver's handling d fuel pedal. there r act a bunch of software to calculate d piping size for certain rpm one's r aimin accordin to inlet valve, outlet, bore, stroke, cam duration n lift yadyadyadya..

but for rough guidance, 2.0" is still d magic number where alot tuner / guides use as threshold..lol

QUOTE(Andy0625 @ Dec 11 2011, 06:21 PM)
In this case, how do I improve back my low end? add mid box?

current set-up, 4-2-1 , 2 small bullet + s flow muffler. running on 2.0" piping.
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2 mufflin is enough at middle. 3 r too much...lol.. like i said, d cheapest way is change d piping size.. rm150+- settle..lol
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post Dec 11 2011, 10:37 PM

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blocked type muffler

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3 Exss Work mid boxes

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post Dec 11 2011, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(Kirie @ Dec 11 2011, 10:37 PM)
blocked type muffler

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3 Exss Work mid boxes

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wah, 3 midbox including the muffler will be 4 boxes.... shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif
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post Dec 11 2011, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(ldhong @ Dec 11 2011, 11:39 PM)
wah, 3 midbox including the muffler will be 4 boxes.... shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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yerp..top speed 265km/h on this waja mivec
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post Dec 11 2011, 11:47 PM

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Actually what is the function of midbox?
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post Dec 11 2011, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 11 2011, 11:47 PM)
Actually what is the function of midbox?
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as resonator & exhaust gas accumulator/collector..i guess hmm.gif
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post Dec 11 2011, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(Kirie @ Dec 12 2011, 12:41 AM)
yerp..top speed 265km/h on this waja mivec
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What engine? hmm.gif
4G63T normally only can that speed~
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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 11 2011, 11:51 PM)
What engine?  hmm.gif 
4G63T normally only can that speed~
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not quite familiar with mitsu engine..

it's mivec 1.6 tiptronic

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To be able to hit 265km/h in a 1.6 MIVEC triptonic somemore in a heavy Waja chassis, that MIVEC sure have a lot of firepower in it, my friend's Satria MIVEC manual with 152whp also struggling to go higher than 245km/h already.....
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 12 2011, 12:34 AM)
To be able to hit 265km/h in a 1.6 MIVEC triptonic somemore in a heavy Waja chassis, that MIVEC sure have a lot of firepower in it, my friend's Satria MIVEC manual with 152whp also struggling to go higher than 245km/h already.....
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Is it really useful to put so many midbox? Sampai 3 midbox ??? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(ldhong @ Dec 12 2011, 12:49 AM)
Is it really useful to put so many midbox? Sampai 3 midbox ??? shocking.gif
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owner claimed with 2 mid box top speed 245km/h, with 3 mid box up to 265km/h sweat.gif

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