wondering if aftermarket s-flow muffler will improve performance over the original s-flow?
Basic Intake and Exhaust Modification Guide, for normal aspirated cars v1.0
Basic Intake and Exhaust Modification Guide, for normal aspirated cars v1.0
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Aug 26 2010, 11:58 PM
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wondering if aftermarket s-flow muffler will improve performance over the original s-flow?
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Feb 23 2011, 11:34 AM
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Dec 6 2011, 10:28 AM
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my daily ride is a waja 4g18, i changed the exhaust to wegow 4-2-1, wegow 2" piping with 2 bullet(similar or same as r3 piping) and top cat sflow muffler. the idle sound is bassy and not loud. is there any way I could reduce the bassy sound and make the muffler sound loud only when accelerate? just like those FGK muffler that is very silent when idle and loud when you accelerate hard?
also, i'm on auto transmission and seems my low end suffer abit, do you think it'll be good to change one of my bullet to a midbox to have more backpressure and at the same time reduce the exhaust note when idle? please help. |
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Dec 6 2011, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Dec 6 2011, 04:54 PM) dat is y swirl bullet were created specially for person like u...... coz u havin too big pipin for daily use.. yea, i know my mistake to change to 2.0". instead of swirl bullet, will a mid box be a better choice? btw, i have heard someone say that changing the flexible section(nenas) to a smaller diameter will increase the response/low end, true?d cheapest way to reduce noise + increase exhaust gas velocity at low end is reduce d piping size.. QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 6 2011, 07:15 PM) Can also look for the pressure activate valve muffler like the one in the FD2R. Low end works as normal muffler, and when pressure is high it opens and works like straight through muffler..... not very cost effective though.. This post has been edited by Andy0625: Dec 6 2011, 08:07 PM |
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Dec 6 2011, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 6 2011, 08:07 PM) like this? That one is a silencer, he's referring to something like mugen twin loop(original).http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/partdetail...encers/ATS/7030 locally got sell such product? |
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Dec 7 2011, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(saru04 @ Dec 7 2011, 11:14 AM) You can have both at Everco, Jaffar, Jian Hang with a price to pay.As to my previous question, anyone can help or give suggestion whether if changing to a smaller flexible pipe will increase the torque? |
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Dec 9 2011, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(wandzul @ Dec 8 2011, 12:52 PM) guys, need professional opinion here.. You sure you can sacrifice low end power? I'm having similar set-up as yours other than 2 normal bullet + 2.0" piping. The low end is horrible together with 17" on a 1.6L engine. my current exhaust setup is: 4-2-1 (wegow) twist bullet right after the pipe joint (after flexipipe) =2.0" inlet/outlet oval midbox after bullet =2.0" inlet/outlet everco s-flow muffler = 2.0" inlet 1.6" piping may i know what effect should i expect if i change to straight flow muffler? or a long 4-1? btw, car is 1.6l campro auto current setup got nice pickup but top slightly suffers (quite heavy near 170kph onwards) please advise, thanks Which sifu change their flexipipe to smaller diameter here again? care to share if it'll improve the low end? |
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Dec 9 2011, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(xshiro @ Dec 9 2011, 07:11 PM) i think your pipe is too big...try 1.7inch pipe.. thanks for suggesting. any idea how much to change the piping to 1.7inch? would changing the bullet to midbox on my current 2" okay?and consider using 1 mid bullet..but maintain current muffler just a suggestion i think the rule of thumb, for 1.6L engine, only go 2 inch or more with heavily modded engine or turbo |
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Dec 10 2011, 12:17 AM
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in this case, changing bullet to a midbox with the same 2.0" piping diameter better or reduce the piping size with same bullet set-up better?
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Dec 11 2011, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Dec 11 2011, 01:56 PM) i disagree with it...piping size doesnt always relate to CC...its more on the amount of power u have and where in the rev ranger is that power at. In this case, how do I improve back my low end? add mid box?take for example 1.6...campros and CPS goes up to 2.0 and the gain is pretty decent... even CPS stock piping size is 2.0....go bigger and kaput... but when it comes to the 1.6 MIVECs and VTECs...although the 2" pipes is pretty decent for those engines but they benefit more with 2.3" especially since most of the peak power is at the higher end of the rev range and the bigger pipe size really benefits the higher rev range. my 2.0 VTEC is running 2.5" pipes.. and its good...so good.. 4-1, 2.5" pipe, 1 midbox, no muffler. i also have an exhaust cut out valve.. so when the valve closed the exhaust is forced from a 2.5" pipe into a 2.3" pipe and s-flow muffler.....i lose 15hp about 1.2kg torque. tested this on the dyno just yesterday so max n/a is 2.0"??? big big no. current set-up, 4-2-1 , 2 small bullet + s flow muffler. running on 2.0" piping. |
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Dec 14 2011, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Dec 11 2011, 08:20 PM) lol... any cams wit 270+- duration or lower is OK..provided d lift is not to aggressive... works enginerrin / powerzone cam looks fine. jasma cam if u r on tight budget... what i previously meant was taking one bullet out and replaced with a midbox as it's larger, it'll able to provide more backpressure - perhaps? Will this improve the pickup a little or change to 1.8" directly after the extractor? but d rough idle is vry adrenaline pumpin... huhu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb4e5jYZDdM&feature=related agree... d pipe sizin is really depends on d engine characteristics n also d driver's handling d fuel pedal. there r act a bunch of software to calculate d piping size for certain rpm one's r aimin accordin to inlet valve, outlet, bore, stroke, cam duration n lift yadyadyadya.. but for rough guidance, 2.0" is still d magic number where alot tuner / guides use as threshold..lol 2 mufflin is enough at middle. 3 r too much...lol.. like i said, d cheapest way is change d piping size.. rm150+- settle..lol Any idea which shop got good workmanship on welding piping? my current 2.0" piping is ready made mandrel bend from manufacturer, those welding point is really neat and not really noticeable, is there any shop can do this? |
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Dec 14 2011, 04:42 PM
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thanks for sharing. the thing i should seriously look into is the piping size which is 1.8" for my 1.6L engine, right?
any recommendations on good workmanship for welding? |
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Dec 15 2011, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE(xshiro @ Dec 14 2011, 04:15 PM) what you need is to maintain the gas velocity with smooth and suitable size piping...not simply adding midbox and hoping that backpressure will imporve the pickup...which is wrong concept... have a look at the link posted below.http://www.facebook.com/#!/exsswork?sk=photos they seems to configure using 2 midbox and from their comments, they're using 2.0" for waja too, other than the extractor remain original. so should I really downsize my pipe or add a midbox and see how? i'm opening myself to choices, really sorry to ask alot. |
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Dec 15 2011, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(xshiro @ Dec 15 2011, 12:15 PM) which picture? i saw the waja ones, he said piping is in original size that is 1.7inch... Yes yes, this is what i'm struggling right now. pick-up just sucks. at least need rev up to 2.5k to 3k to get the car moving and follow back the flow but once on highway 90km/h to above is just lightly tap on the accelerator. ok la, i dont know about mivec / vtec...but for campro 1.6 with auto transmission need to use 1.6 / 1.7 piping, i tested already, anything bigger is ok, but you need to rev up all the time like a race car, just to overtake another car on highway..im not talking about top speed..with 1.6 inch or 1.7 inch piping you get some drivibility... i suggest la you maintain your 2 bullet, and downsize your piping all the way to 1.7inch...or you go to exss work and get their opinion. got suggestion where got mandrel bend and good workmanship on welding the pipe? Exss is too expensive IMO, dont even dare to step inside. rm800 for 2 midbox. |
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Dec 15 2011, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(xshiro @ Dec 15 2011, 04:02 PM) so you want to have good high end power and low end power too? this one im still searching on how to do it..need expert tuner for that..its all about trial error.. but one thing for sure you need to revise your engine for that..tune for more horsepower and torque...rely on exhaust mod only wont do much, its about how efficient air in and out.. Would really love a balance to have good pick-up and power till 140km/h but i normally just cruise at 110 though only. you're rolling on cps bro?good workmanship im not sure..usually i go to normal exhaust shop, and worksmanship is ok ok only..as long as there is no leak then im ok.. hopefully anyone here can recommend good workshop, i want to know too.. BTW, if those blocked muffler is really that good, come to think of it why dont other manufacturer create them? I believe it's all hype. This post has been edited by Andy0625: Dec 15 2011, 08:27 PM |
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Dec 19 2011, 09:18 AM
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Dec 28 2011, 02:26 PM
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Dec 29 2011, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 28 2011, 11:54 PM) dont go off-topic la bro, it's kind of annoying. every thread also saw your posting asking this and that. This post has been edited by Andy0625: Dec 29 2011, 12:08 PM |
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Dec 30 2011, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 29 2011, 04:34 PM) agree. using topcat sflow muffler currently, when idle, a little bassy sound, when cruising, even above 4k rpm, it's not noisy as the engine suction sound and my directional tyre. Maybe a reputable muffler brand will be a better choice in this case? btw, i'm running two stock looking bullet(not those like zenden bullet) fyi. if you're using those zenden like, it should be better imo. |
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