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 Basic Intake and Exhaust Modification Guide, for normal aspirated cars v1.0

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Andy0625
post Aug 26 2010, 11:58 PM

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wondering if aftermarket s-flow muffler will improve performance over the original s-flow?
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post Feb 23 2011, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Reign @ Feb 23 2011, 09:22 AM)
Why standard exhaust system more save fuel?
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not necessary that standard exhaust system is more fuel efficient.
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post Dec 6 2011, 10:28 AM

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my daily ride is a waja 4g18, i changed the exhaust to wegow 4-2-1, wegow 2" piping with 2 bullet(similar or same as r3 piping) and top cat sflow muffler. the idle sound is bassy and not loud. is there any way I could reduce the bassy sound and make the muffler sound loud only when accelerate? just like those FGK muffler that is very silent when idle and loud when you accelerate hard?

also, i'm on auto transmission and seems my low end suffer abit, do you think it'll be good to change one of my bullet to a midbox to have more backpressure and at the same time reduce the exhaust note when idle?

please help.
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post Dec 6 2011, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Dec 6 2011, 04:54 PM)
dat is y swirl bullet were created specially for person like u...... coz u havin too big pipin for daily use..

d cheapest way to reduce noise + increase exhaust gas velocity at low end is reduce d piping size..
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yea, i know my mistake to change to 2.0". instead of swirl bullet, will a mid box be a better choice? btw, i have heard someone say that changing the flexible section(nenas) to a smaller diameter will increase the response/low end, true?

QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 6 2011, 07:15 PM)
Can also look for the pressure activate valve muffler like the one in the FD2R. Low end works as normal muffler, and when pressure is high it opens and works like straight through muffler.....
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not very cost effective though.. sad.gif

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post Dec 6 2011, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 6 2011, 08:07 PM)
like this?
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/partdetail...encers/ATS/7030

locally got sell such product?
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That one is a silencer, he's referring to something like mugen twin loop(original).
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post Dec 7 2011, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(saru04 @ Dec 7 2011, 11:14 AM)
omg. means i must choose between good workmanship and good quality?
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You can have both at Everco, Jaffar, Jian Hang with a price to pay.

As to my previous question, anyone can help or give suggestion whether if changing to a smaller flexible pipe will increase the torque?
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post Dec 9 2011, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(wandzul @ Dec 8 2011, 12:52 PM)
guys, need professional opinion here..
my current exhaust setup is:
4-2-1 (wegow)
twist bullet right after the pipe joint (after flexipipe) =2.0" inlet/outlet
oval midbox after bullet =2.0" inlet/outlet
everco s-flow muffler = 2.0" inlet
1.6" piping

may i know what effect should i expect if i change to straight flow muffler?
or a long 4-1?
btw, car is 1.6l campro auto
current setup got nice pickup but top slightly suffers (quite heavy near 170kph onwards)
please advise, thanks
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You sure you can sacrifice low end power? I'm having similar set-up as yours other than 2 normal bullet + 2.0" piping. The low end is horrible together with 17" on a 1.6L engine. sweat.gif sweat.gif

Which sifu change their flexipipe to smaller diameter here again? care to share if it'll improve the low end?
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post Dec 9 2011, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Dec 9 2011, 07:11 PM)
i think your pipe is too big...try 1.7inch pipe..

and consider using 1 mid bullet..but maintain current muffler

just a suggestion

i think the rule of thumb, for 1.6L engine, only go 2 inch or more with heavily modded engine or turbo
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thanks for suggesting. any idea how much to change the piping to 1.7inch? would changing the bullet to midbox on my current 2" okay?
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post Dec 10 2011, 12:17 AM

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in this case, changing bullet to a midbox with the same 2.0" piping diameter better or reduce the piping size with same bullet set-up better?
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post Dec 11 2011, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Dec 11 2011, 01:56 PM)
i disagree with it...piping size doesnt always relate to CC...its more on the amount of power u have and where in the rev ranger is that power at.

take for example 1.6...campros and CPS goes up to 2.0 and the gain is pretty decent... even CPS stock piping size is 2.0....go bigger and kaput...

but when it comes to the 1.6 MIVECs and VTECs...although the 2" pipes is pretty decent for those engines but they benefit more with 2.3" especially since most of the peak power is at the higher end of the rev range and the bigger pipe size really benefits the higher rev range.

my 2.0 VTEC is running 2.5" pipes.. and its good...so good.. 4-1, 2.5" pipe, 1 midbox, no muffler.

i also have an exhaust cut out valve.. so when the valve closed the exhaust is forced from a 2.5" pipe into a 2.3" pipe and s-flow muffler.....i lose 15hp about 1.2kg torque. tested this on the dyno just yesterday

so max n/a is 2.0"??? big big no.
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In this case, how do I improve back my low end? add mid box?

current set-up, 4-2-1 , 2 small bullet + s flow muffler. running on 2.0" piping.
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post Dec 14 2011, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Dec 11 2011, 08:20 PM)
lol... any cams wit 270+- duration or lower is OK..provided d lift is not to aggressive... works enginerrin / powerzone cam looks fine. jasma cam if u r on tight budget...

but d rough idle is vry adrenaline pumpin... huhu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb4e5jYZDdM&feature=related
agree... d pipe sizin is really depends on d engine characteristics n also d driver's handling d fuel pedal. there r act a bunch of software to calculate d piping size for certain rpm one's r aimin accordin to inlet valve, outlet, bore, stroke, cam duration n lift yadyadyadya..

but for rough guidance, 2.0" is still d magic number where alot tuner / guides use as threshold..lol
2 mufflin is enough at middle. 3 r too much...lol..  like i said, d cheapest way is change d piping size.. rm150+- settle..lol
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what i previously meant was taking one bullet out and replaced with a midbox as it's larger, it'll able to provide more backpressure - perhaps? Will this improve the pickup a little or change to 1.8" directly after the extractor?

Any idea which shop got good workmanship on welding piping? my current 2.0" piping is ready made mandrel bend from manufacturer, those welding point is really neat and not really noticeable, is there any shop can do this?
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post Dec 14 2011, 04:42 PM

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thanks for sharing. the thing i should seriously look into is the piping size which is 1.8" for my 1.6L engine, right?

any recommendations on good workmanship for welding?
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post Dec 15 2011, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Dec 14 2011, 04:15 PM)
what you need is to maintain the gas velocity with smooth and suitable size piping...not simply adding midbox and hoping that backpressure will imporve the pickup...which is wrong concept... smile.gif
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have a look at the link posted below.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/exsswork?sk=photos

they seems to configure using 2 midbox and from their comments, they're using 2.0" for waja too, other than the extractor remain original. so should I really downsize my pipe or add a midbox and see how?

i'm opening myself to choices, really sorry to ask alot. sad.gif
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post Dec 15 2011, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Dec 15 2011, 12:15 PM)
which picture? i saw the waja ones, he said piping is in original size that is 1.7inch...

ok la, i dont know about mivec / vtec...but for campro 1.6 with auto transmission need to use 1.6 / 1.7 piping, i tested already, anything bigger is ok, but you need to rev up all the time like a race car, just to overtake another car on highway..im not talking about top speed..with 1.6 inch or 1.7 inch piping you get some drivibility...

i suggest la you maintain your 2 bullet, and downsize your piping all the way to 1.7inch...or you go to exss work and get their opinion.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yes yes, this is what i'm struggling right now. pick-up just sucks. at least need rev up to 2.5k to 3k to get the car moving and follow back the flow but once on highway 90km/h to above is just lightly tap on the accelerator. drool.gif

got suggestion where got mandrel bend and good workmanship on welding the pipe? Exss is too expensive IMO, dont even dare to step inside. rm800 for 2 midbox. doh.gif doh.gif
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post Dec 15 2011, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Dec 15 2011, 04:02 PM)
so you want to have good high end power and low end power too? this one im still searching on how to do it..need expert tuner for that..its all about trial error.. but one thing for sure you need to revise your engine for that..tune for more horsepower and torque...rely on exhaust mod only wont do much, its about how efficient air in and out.. tongue.gif

good workmanship im not sure..usually i go to normal exhaust shop, and worksmanship is ok ok only..as long as there is no leak then im ok..

hopefully anyone here can recommend good workshop, i want to know too..
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Would really love a balance to have good pick-up and power till 140km/h but i normally just cruise at 110 though only. you're rolling on cps bro?

BTW, if those blocked muffler is really that good, come to think of it why dont other manufacturer create them? I believe it's all hype. tongue.gif

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post Dec 19 2011, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(tictac @ Dec 18 2011, 09:25 PM)
Today managed to test my exhaust setup at Dato Sagor Track

I managed to clock 56.44 second per lap.  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

Pair it up.. with this muffler..  brows.gif 

user posted image
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why do you say this twin tip muffler good?? unsure.gif
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post Dec 28 2011, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 28 2011, 01:50 PM)
Not sure but he knows how to overhaul engines la...
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bawah pokok also know how to overhaul la, just whether if they can do it right..
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post Dec 29 2011, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 28 2011, 11:54 PM)
Have any latest engine same as that for wira?  hmm.gif
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dont go off-topic la bro, it's kind of annoying. every thread also saw your posting asking this and that. cool2.gif go open up a thread and ask all your question there and we shall discuss there. cool2.gif

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post Dec 30 2011, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 29 2011, 04:34 PM)
Could be different brand issue. Different brand different make already.....
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agree. using topcat sflow muffler currently, when idle, a little bassy sound, when cruising, even above 4k rpm, it's not noisy as the engine suction sound and my directional tyre.
Maybe a reputable muffler brand will be a better choice in this case?

btw, i'm running two stock looking bullet(not those like zenden bullet) fyi. if you're using those zenden like, it should be better imo.
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post Dec 30 2011, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ Dec 30 2011, 10:23 AM)
I use nismo.replica.hehe
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that's why it's noisy. tongue.gif maybe you can have a look on FGK muffler. heard those are really silent muffler. thumbup.gif

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