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post Oct 8 2021, 05:08 PM

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UtdHampshire mainly in grocery properties.

How grocery industry in US doing currently?

With online shopping on the rise, how impact on grocery shopping future?
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 05:07 PM)
Ahh,....  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  Now, I'm hearing this : Swiss stocks WHT is fully deducted without considering tax treaties.

Thank you, bro, for sharing,...

I think that Ramjade will reply,.... Swiss is Swiss, Canada is Canada,..... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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laugh.gif to further complicate matters, the tax treaty should be with US and not Malaysia. Since our accounts are custodian accounts, it is US that matters for tax treaty considerations, not Malaysia.
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(wayton @ Oct 8 2021, 05:08 PM)
UtdHampshire mainly in grocery properties.

How grocery industry in US doing currently?

With online shopping on the rise, how impact on grocery shopping future?
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Just my opinion : I would like an exposure into grocery-anchored props too in The US too. Based on datapoints around us and on other factors, such malls are building visitor footfalls again from re-openings in The USA.

Even during the pandemic, rental collection rate was acceptable,... in the high-80s, if my memory serves me right !
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 8 2021, 05:11 PM)
laugh.gif to further complicate matters, the tax treaty should be with US and not Malaysia. Since our accounts are custodian accounts, it is US that matters for tax treaty considerations, not Malaysia.
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Emm,... no bro,... the nationality of the final beneficiary is the key, not the country of domicile of the custodian,...That's is why,... we need to input our nationality when we first opened accounts.

Why is that fella not replying ?

After I go off here,... I can't debate with him anymore,..... nowadays, quite busy and not much time to log-on.
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 05:17 PM)
Emm,... no bro,... the nationality of the final beneficiary is the key, not the country of domicile of the custodian,...That's is why,... we need to input our nationality when we first opened accounts.

Why is that fella not replying ?

After I go off here,... I can't debate with him anymore,..... nowadays, quite busy and not much time to log-on.
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Haha he busy preparing to write calls tonight.

Regarding tax, you might want to read this: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=102419542
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 8 2021, 05:02 PM)
How come? Takudan reported on IB thread that her Swiss stocks WHT is fully deducted without considering tax treaties.

Is Canada being lenient or they don't have "tax vouchers" yet?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 05:07 PM)
Ahh,....  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  Now, I'm hearing this : Swiss stocks WHT is fully deducted without considering tax treaties.

Thank you, bro, for sharing,...

I think that Ramjade will reply,.... Swiss is Swiss, Canada is Canada,..... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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The answer is because Malaysia and Swiss got no tax treaty hence tax full amount lo. As far as I know. Hence I avoided Swiss when I was still a dividend investor.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 05:05 PM)
What full amt ? It's either 15% or 30% with most countries.

Msia has a Double Treaty Tax Agmt with the CRA,... it's straightforward 15%,... till they feel there is a reason to increase this amt at their discretion.

IB incurs banking fees when remitting in funds. Not so beautiful here compared against another even though the brokerage is slightly cheaper than the other.
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Actually got some 10, 15, 25, 30, 35%. Not pure 15 and 30%. Last I checked.
For, me, it's free when I remit in funds cause I use FAST transfer. The only stuff I pay is USD 2.00 conversion charges regards how much I exchange at spot rate. Thats beautiful to me.

Where in the world, can you find a brokerage that with hold the correct amount paid to you based off treaty of the country, give you spot exchange rate and only charge you USD2.00/conversion, give you free inward and outward transaction? And best if all no need to be priority/private banking.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 8 2021, 05:34 PM
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 8 2021, 05:23 PM)
Haha he busy preparing to write calls tonight.

Regarding tax, you might want to read this: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=102419542
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He mentioned as if Selling Covered Calls is so easy to win,.... he's 'killing' innocent, unsuspected investors with all his writings. I would urge all investors to think carefully before following everything he said.

I have experienced many types of taxes, bro,... and debated with many different authorities,....
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 8 2021, 05:23 PM)
Haha he busy preparing to write calls tonight.

Regarding tax, you might want to read this: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=102419542
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I only do once a week. And it's on Monday or Tuesday only. If I didnt go thr options road, I wouldn't have been able to increase my dividends by 1200%

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 8 2021, 05:40 PM
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 05:34 PM)
He mentioned as if Selling Covered Calls is so easy to win,.... he's 'killing' innocent, unsuspected investors with all his writings. I would urge all investors to think carefully before following everything he said.

I have experienced many types of taxes, bro,... and debated with many different authorities,....
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You help me to debate with IB lah lol I want to have a stake in Nestle, Roche and Novartis, but the tax is putting me off. You debate with IB to chase back your "overcharged" WHT?
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 8 2021, 05:40 PM)
You help me to debate with IB lah lol I want to have a stake in Nestle, Roche and Novartis, but the tax is putting me off. You debate with IB to chase back your "overcharged" WHT?
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Don't bother about dividends bro. Call options and put options is the way to go. Been there, done threre. Was severely limited by dividend tax before this. Now not anymore. brows.gif

Now I am basically free bird. Last time dividend tax was my cage or stone tied to my leg. You can do options on European stock. Let me check and see if the above got options.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 8 2021, 05:44 PM
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 8 2021, 05:33 PM)
The answer is because Malaysia and Swiss got no tax treaty hence tax full amount lo. As far as I know. Hence I avoided Swiss when I was still a dividend investor.
Actually got some 10, 15, 25, 30, 35%. Not pure 15 and 30%. Last I checked.
For, me, it's free when I remit in funds cause I use FAST transfer. The only stuff I pay is USD 2.00 conversion charges regards how much I exchange at spot rate. Thats beautiful to me.

Where in the world, can you find a brokerage that with hold the correct amount paid to you based off treaty of the country, give you spot exchange rate and only charge you USD2.00/conversion, give you free inward and outward transaction? And best if all no need to be priority/private banking.
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Everybody knows FAST Transfer is FREE-lar,... what if you transfer in USD ? Where got free with IBKR ?

You are going to say you don't transfer in USD but you change over from SGD, right ? Then you are not thinking abt people who have USDs to invest.

I transfer in USDs FREE from all charges.

Many brokerages withhold the correct amount IF you can provide the official certified proof of country of residence. Perhaps you have only experienced the ones that don't.

Free inward and outward transactions ? Many don't charge internal admin fees when they process the transfers for you. But if you transfer out too often, administrative charges will start to kick-in.

Whatever it is, you still need to pay bank charges if you TT to another bank outside of SG when you don't have an SG bank account, right ?
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 8 2021, 05:41 PM)
Don't bother about dividends bro. Call options and put options is the way to go. Been there, done threre. Was severely limited by dividend tax before this. Now not anymore. brows.gif

Now I am basically free bird. Last time dividend tax was my cage or stone tied to my leg. You can do options on European stock. Let me check and see if the above got options.
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Based on above bolded statement that you mentioned,... you have failed badly as an SG REIT investor. And you are using Options in countries that have this program to cover-up your failures. I too can cover-up my failures with my other instruments if I wished to.

But I'm a relatively successful SG REIT and dividend stock investor.
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post Oct 8 2021, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 05:45 PM)
Everybody knows FAST Transfer is FREE-lar,... what if you transfer in USD ? Where got free with IBKR ?

You are going to say you don't transfer in USD but you change over from SGD, right ? Then you are not thinking abt people who have USDs to invest.

I transfer in USDs FREE from all charges.

Many brokerages withhold the correct amount IF you can provide the official certified proof of country of residence. Perhaps you have only experienced the ones that don't.

Free inward and outward transactions ? Many don't charge internal admin fees when they process the transfers for you. But if you transfer out too often, administrative charges will start to kick-in.

Whatever it is, you still need to pay bank charges if you TT to another bank outside of SG when you don't have an SG bank account, right ?
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Bro, I transfer USD from DBS free. So many times already.

Yes free inward and outward provided it's local bank transfer. Interactive broker mentioned black and white, one free withdrawal a month which honestly I never even ultitised. If you have bank account overseas like you have, you can link your bank account to IB, convert at spot rate and withdraw to the local bank account for free (provided you didn't use up the 1 free monthly withdrawal yet). This is cheat way to convert the money and bypass the bank altogether. Save you on markup exchange rate, and TT fees. All only paying USD 2.00.

That one you cannot avoid. Thr one is from banking side. There is no way around it as far as I know. Unless as mentioned above you do local withdrawal.
QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 05:49 PM)
Based on above bolded statement that you mentioned,... you have failed badly as an SG REIT investor. And you are using Options in countries that have this program to cover-up your failures. I too can cover-up my failures with my other instruments if I wished to.

But I'm a relatively successful SG REIT and dividend stock investor.
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Actually wrong. You started way earlier than me when yield was like 7-8%. I startrd when? When yield was like 6% and decreasing over time. You have the initial start advantage.

Second question.Can your dividend growth be juiced up 1200%? No dividend growth can give you that. With options I juiced my dividend growth by 1200% (yes I considered premium as DIY dividend).

Third question, can you add when dividend only give you 3-4%p.a? Last time I can't add because of this. Now no dividend/they giving peanuts I don't care. I don't care cause I am generating my own dividends. No money rotting in the bank because things are expensive (I still keep cash and will only buy when market is red).

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 8 2021, 06:02 PM
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post Oct 8 2021, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 8 2021, 05:11 PM)
laugh.gif to further complicate matters, the tax treaty should be with US and not Malaysia. Since our accounts are custodian accounts, it is US that matters for tax treaty considerations, not Malaysia.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 05:17 PM)
Emm,... no bro,... the nationality of the final beneficiary is the key, not the country of domicile of the custodian,...That's is why,... we need to input our nationality when we first opened accounts.

Why is that fella not replying ?

After I go off here,... I can't debate with him anymore,..... nowadays, quite busy and not much time to log-on.
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bro Hansel!... just saying hi... smile.gif

TOS... bro Hansel is correct...

...and Swiss - Malaysia treaty 15% I just checked
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post Oct 8 2021, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 8 2021, 06:02 PM)
bro Hansel!... just saying hi... smile.gif

TOS... bro Hansel is correct...

...and Swiss - Malaysia treaty 15% I just checked
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But then what about Takudan's reply from IB?

QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 8 2021, 05:23 PM)
Haha he busy preparing to write calls tonight.

Regarding tax, you might want to read this: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=102419542
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As client assets are held in street name Interactive Brokers LLC, tax treaty agreement taken in consideration for this withholding tax is the one between US (IBKR's country of residence) and the country of residence of the company paying out the dividend.


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post Oct 8 2021, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(wayton @ Oct 8 2021, 05:08 PM)
UtdHampshire mainly in grocery properties.

How grocery industry in US doing currently?

With online shopping on the rise, how impact on grocery shopping future?
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Ask yourself, you rather pick your own vegetables and fruits or have someone pick majority rotten/over ripe ones for you? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 05:13 PM)
Just my opinion : I would like an exposure into grocery-anchored props too in The US too. Based on datapoints around us and on other factors, such malls are building visitor footfalls again from re-openings in The USA.

Even during the pandemic, rental collection rate was acceptable,... in the high-80s, if my memory serves me right !
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Yup. Your memory did not fail you. It was high 80s%
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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 8 2021, 06:05 PM)
But then what about Takudan's reply from IB?
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After reading Swiss got no tax treaty, hence I backed away. I was like you. Wanting to own a piece of nestle. So far, only way to know is experiment.

Btw Novartis (US, and Swiss side)and Nestle have options. Roche don't think so. But if roche are listed in LSE under 0QQ6, might have options.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 8 2021, 06:09 PM
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post Oct 8 2021, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 8 2021, 05:55 PM)
Bro, I transfer USD from DBS free. So many times already.

Yes free inward and outward provided it's local bank transfer. Interactive broker mentioned black and white, one free withdrawal a month which honestly I never even ultitised. If you have bank account overseas like you have, you can link your bank account to IB, convert at spot rate and withdraw to the local bank account for free (provided you didn't use up the 1 free monthly withdrawal yet). This is cheat way to convert the money and bypass the bank altogether. Save you on markup exchange rate, and TT fees. All only paying USD 2.00.

That one you cannot avoid. Thr one is from banking side. There is no way around it as far as I know. Unless as mentioned above you do local withdrawal.

Actually wrong. You started way earlier than me when yield was like 7-8%. I startrd when? When yield was like 6% and decreasing over time. You have the initial start advantage.

Second question.Can your dividend growth be juiced up 1200%? No dividend growth can give you that. With options I juiced my dividend growth by 1200% (yes I considered premium as DIY dividend).

Third question, can you add when dividend only give you 3-4%p.a? Last time I can't add because of this. Now no dividend/they giving peanuts I don't care. I don't care cause I am generating my own dividends. No money rotting in the bank because things are expensive (I still keep cash and will only buy when market is red).
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You transfer USD from DBS free. Doesn't IBKR's bank charge you anything for your incoming ? I'm neutral to this question.

You have ONLY 1 Free withdrawal, I have unlimited withdrawals if I wished to. You never know,... especially since you are using IBKR as a bank to convert your funds. You'll still have to pay USD2 if yuo transfer out for the second time onwards every month.

My banking side is free too for USDs.

Your yield started decreasing 'cos your REITs started to 'die-off' and you did not put in actions to mitigate this. You must know how to manage your REIT-investment. There is no such thing as auto-pilot. Nothing to do with initial advantage,... you don't know how to manage.

My First REIT, Singpost and Starhub died too,... so I quickly took profit and moved on to other REITs. My yield for Parkway Life is 6+% at my cost price today.

You want to talk abt Options that made you 1200% more over your dividends ? Wait till I tell you how much I made in my forex pair,.. just one pair is enough.

Don't use other instruments to shield your weaknesses.
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post Oct 8 2021, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 8 2021, 06:02 PM)
bro Hansel!... just saying hi... smile.gif

TOS... bro Hansel is correct...

...and Swiss - Malaysia treaty 15% I just checked
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Good to see you again, bro,... been sometime,...

I'm still holding-on to my 3 tranches of AUDJPY,... I forgot abt them until my debate with Ramjade started this evening and after seeing your post/greeting,... biggrin.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 8 2021, 06:29 PM)
You transfer USD from DBS free. Doesn't IBKR's bank charge you anything for your incoming ? I'm neutral to this question.

You have ONLY 1 Free withdrawal, I have unlimited withdrawals if I wished to. You never know,... especially since you are using IBKR as a bank to convert your funds. You'll still have to pay USD2 if yuo transfer out for the second time onwards every month.

My banking side is free too for USDs.

Your yield started decreasing 'cos your REITs started to 'die-off' and you did not put in actions to mitigate this. You must know how to manage your REIT-investment. There is no such thing as auto-pilot. Nothing to do with initial advantage,... you don't know how to manage.

My First REIT, Singpost and Starhub died too,... so I quickly took profit and moved on to other REITs. My yield for Parkway Life is 6+% at my cost price today.

You want to talk abt Options that made you 1200% more over your dividends ? Wait till I tell you how much I made in my forex pair,.. just one pair is enough.

Don't use other instruments to shield your weaknesses.
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Free from dbs side. Use DBS remit. Free from IB side as well.

Once exceeded the one free withdraw a month, it only cost USD10/withdrawal.

You might have free withdraw, but can you get spot rate exchange rate and local withdraw for no fees without being a private banking customer? biggrin.gif Even priority cannot get access to spot rate. Remember not everyone have cash/asset for private banking. You need to bring yourself down to people like me and TOS which have no access to priority banking/private banking. I value the spot exchange rate Vs free withdrawal anytime anyday.

I give you some example.
Fraser's logistics 7.x%-> 4.88%
maple tree commercial 6% -> 3.83%
mapletree logistics 7-8%-> 4 11%
Ascendas 6.xx-> 4.9%
Parkway 4.5% -> 3%

The above are example that I faced. I can't add at the above latest yield. Not worth to put my money in at such low yield. Is not about finding the next thing before it die off. Is can you add at such miserable yield? Just answer me this.

Forex need to see news constantly. Mine is just once a week and that's it.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 8 2021, 06:50 PM

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