Just went to COSE this afternoon. For preve premium you can choose either rm2k discount or 3 years free service (parts & labour). For preve exec im not sure. Didnt ask the salesguy

2k rebate or 3 years free service, only apply to CFE variant only.
Most dealers shall give another few hundred to 1k discount too

what do u mean by old proton hero? Wira era i presume. Wira still using throttle cable system, so its totally diff from than dbw. Yup, so much talk around the world about dbw throttle lag during take off(easier to control emmision during low rev than throttle cable), but dbw is better interm of efficiency, means better power delivery with how much fuel used when its already on move with the same engine.

Many people cursing coz not using cps. Ok, lets me share a bit story that i know. When pheonix project is planned, it just for turbo variant only. The budget is enough to focus on turbo variant. There are 2 base engine, 1st is original campro with distributor design@ iafm which using distributeless design n better injector than 1st gen campro which cps is based on and iafm campro based already been tested using 32bit ecu(persona elegance), while campro n cps still using 16bit ecu. So, they choosed iafm campro based since its better, less time to develop n easier to meet the objective n costless than 1st gen campro coz many things need to change including the injector systems n intergration with 32bit ecu. Time n budget is really crucial to prtn since dont have much time n money to spend.

During the project running, an idea come out, since prtn still need na engine that meeting the same emmision objective, which cps isnt unless some changing are needed, which will be another cost since cps n cfe using diff based engine, so, by sharing some components from cfe, n revert it back to na form where it is based on. So within same budget which supposed to develop turbo variant, they manage to come out with na n turbo variant.

Why exora still use cps? Already mention earlier, iafm+ dont meet the objective of minimum 80hp pertonne. Even torque is better, achieve max torque lower than cps, and better spread of torque, the relation of torque n hp still intact. U know how heavier exora than preve.

Another note, upgrading cps to meet higher emmision control, not only cost higher than iafm based, but the hp n torque, will be reduce, so, if that so, its not really make sense to do so. To maintain the same torque n hp in cps, means more time need to spend in rnd, it also means more cost need to be spend, while prtn really need the turbo variant for future.

So, cps still euro 3/4, but iafm+ is euro 4/5. This is really crucial if prtn need to go global. When prtn said using cps cost more than iafm+, that was the meaning.

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Added on November 12, 2012, 12:33 amthats why, maintenace schedule is nearly the same for cfe n iafm+ except for spark plugs n air filter, but iafm, cps, campro, share the same schedule of maintenance. Another obkective during pheonix project is prolong servicing vital components so that can reduce the cost of ownership.

Its a hard decision that prtn need to make. I have to solute the engineers involved to come out with the idea, n they r really competent to make it a success within the same time frame given with the same budget given. If not, there wont be flx, or even cheaper preve variant. They can plonk cfe in all variants, but the price diff wont be that big.

As for leather seats, yup, initial plan was premium will equip with leather seats n it will be german made cow leather, but since need to be set the price really low(the leather is not cheap by the way), so, where the cost cutting measure can be done, it had to be done. Even the material used in preve interior seems cheap for many, but it isnt cheaper than exora's and its expensive than exora.
Many said not global enough, yes, i do agree if u pit it with a real global car. But to develop a global car, with time, manpower, n budget constraint, for me it is commendable, n its global enaugh. Its not cheap to consult with italdesign n magna even co develop braking sytems with trw. Engaging punch n getrag also not a cheap skate. Engaging conti for bcm systems also doesnt come cheap, but luckily that was done during exora development. Spending on hpf machine also not cheap. Prtn can used same technique n material of exora since they share the same platform to reduce cost like waja with gen2 n persona, but they know they need to make preve better than exora in many aspects. Can used original torsion beam to save cost as in exora, but they still change it n even make it better even using multilink, boot space isnt much sacrifice.

With nearly same budget as exora, prtn develop preve which is nearly totally diff n even better in manyaspects than exora.

And i believe, they can do even better with a partner, with more money injected for rnd, n more sales to cover up the money spends.

So, gudnight everyone. Hopefully prtn is doing somethg for iafm+ owners whether flx@preve.

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Added on November 12, 2012, 12:33 amthats why, maintenace schedule is nearly the same for cfe n iafm+ except for spark plugs n air filter, but iafm, cps, campro, share the same schedule of maintenance. Another obkective during pheonix project is prolong servicing vital components so that can reduce the cost of ownership.

Its a hard decision that prtn need to make. I have to solute the engineers involved to come out with the idea, n they r really competent to make it a success within the same time frame given with the same budget given. If not, there wont be flx, or even cheaper preve variant. They can plonk cfe in all variants, but the price diff wont be that big.

As for leather seats, yup, initial plan was premium will equip with leather seats n it will be german made cow leather, but since need to be set the price really low(the leather is not cheap by the way), so, where the cost cutting measure can be done, it had to be done. Even the material used in preve interior seems cheap for many, but it isnt cheaper than exora's and its expensive than exora.
Many said not global enough, yes, i do agree if u pit it with a real global car. But to develop a global car, with time, manpower, n budget constraint, for me it is commendable, n its global enaugh. Its not cheap to consult with italdesign n magna even co develop braking sytems with trw. Engaging punch n getrag also not a cheap skate. Engaging conti for bcm systems also doesnt come cheap, but luckily that was done during exora development. Spending on hpf machine also not cheap. Prtn can used same technique n material of exora since they share the same platform to reduce cost like waja with gen2 n persona, but they know they need to make preve better than exora in many aspects. Can used original torsion beam to save cost as in exora, but they still change it n even make it better even using multilink, boot space isnt much sacrifice.

With nearly same budget as exora, prtn develop preve which is nearly totally diff n even better in manyaspects than exora.

And i believe, they can do even better with a partner, with more money injected for rnd, n more sales to cover up the money spends.

So, gudnight everyone. Hopefully prtn is doing somethg for iafm+ owners whether flx@preve.

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Added on November 12, 2012, 1:19 amgood to hear then. By the way, can u guys share some finding, between full cvt mode versus full manual mode(by pulling to the left)and also sat for iafm+ version versus full cvt mode, the diff in feeling during take off in the 1st gear, from standstill to move. Urs finding is highly appreciated. Tqvm.

This post has been edited by mat79: Nov 12 2012, 01:19 AM

Hi, i am considering of getting a preve cfe. I've been doing some research (here, autoworld, random google search) and found that there seems to be some reliability issues. but it seems that they are getting less and less, which is a good thing. The "in" thing right now about the preve is the remapping of ECU/TCU. I wonder, since they are remapping the preves which are already on the road, will the new preves have a remapped ECU/TCU from the factory? or do we need to send in for remap after getting the car.

Btw, which offer is better, 2k rebate or 3yrs free maintenance?

Why too old? It's just an open forum to discuss issues related to manual Preve's At least more organized than this thread (...no offence guys )
As for the throttle issue - look back at my previous posts - I've been ranting about this the whole way The new ECU map looks promising & I have forumers in PREVOC.ORG saying they have MUCH better throttle response after the update. Fingers crossed then

Abg. mat79 - if Proton really put so much of effort & money into this project, why not share it with the world? All the layman see is bad promotional work and shoddy sale deals. Why not use FACTS like this to promote the Preve. We're lucky you put your time & effort to explain things to us. What about all the people out there? Be honest, share & I'm sure Proton will have good support.
Instead, they overcook certain points & make it look like they are vending pancakes As it is Proton has a LOOONG way to go in gaining the public's trust - I think they should be more transparent & people will start supporting them.
My 2-cent's worth

Thanks mat79 for the background info on the various partners involved in developing Preve. Proton should actually advertise and promote this rather than saying that it is a global car. Make it the buyers feel that it is worth the money. Still the specs and pricing is still better than competitors.

I still think having leather seats would be good (do not think people will mind paying extra for the premium variants because it is worth it). I think no reverse cam and having better HU is also to cut cost.

This post has been edited by Gigabit: Nov 12 2012, 09:11 AM

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All Preve CFE with chassis number above 23409 will be equipped with latest ECU/TCU mapping.
Most of the stocks in dealer should be with old ECU/TCU mapping still.

How about request them to send to nearest selected Proton Edar/EON outlets for new ECU/TCU mapping before delivery?

Guys, by request of Mr sexatary and pleasurer. New thread:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2585865

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hi all, i have a question here. what is the service interval for preve? the engine oil sticker wrote 10k and on the receipt it wrote 5k. btw i am using semi syn engine oil, planning to change the engine oil at SC every 10k and beside this i change the engine oil myself at 5k without tell SC anything about it. (can save some labour cost)

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