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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 1-2 ManU

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Duke Red
post Sep 24 2012, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 24 2012, 02:53 PM)
Is Medial Ligament as serious as Cruciate Ligament?
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No idea dude. Not my area of expertise unfortunately.

Can't find any news on Kelly but from the way he bent his knee, it looked like he may have torn a ligament. I'm just hoping it was a bad sprain.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 24 2012, 02:51 PM)
I honestly don't see why Jonjo had to apologise to Fergie. Whiskey nose claims there was no way Shelvey was going for the ball, despite winning it ahead of Evans who lunged at it with both feet. Why should anyone apologise when an idiotic statement was directed in their direction? Maybe he doesn't like watching replays.

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post Sep 24 2012, 02:59 PM

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Jonjo was a one footed lunge tho. It looks 2 footed because his legs eventually had to come together at some point. Both players made a crazy lunge for the ball, but there was no malice in it.

In regards to Suso, he came as an attacking midfielder but the Academy started playing him as CM and at times even as DM to improve his overall game. The thing is he's so well-rounded that he can play in most midfield positions. Has good technique, good vision and venomous left foot.

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post Sep 24 2012, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 24 2012, 02:59 PM)
Jonjo was a one footed lunge tho. It looks 2 footed because his legs eventually had to come together at some point. Both players made a crazy lunge for the ball, there was no malice in it.

In regards to Suso, he came as an attacking midfielder but the Academy started playing him as CM and at times even as DM to improve his overall game. The thing is' he's a well-rounded midfielder that he can play in most midfield positions. Has good technique, good vision and venomous left foot.
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Absolutely true on this point. But sadly nowadays in modern football, there's no such thing as full-blooded, crunching tackles in a 50-50 ball situation. The ref actually had a good view of it. I'm not sure how he missed Evans went in studs up as well. BR was right. If Jonjo gets a red for that, so should Evans.

On another note, let's hope that Agger's injury isn't as bad as feared. The same goes to Kelly and Borini too.

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post Sep 24 2012, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Sep 24 2012, 03:05 PM)
Absolutely true on this point. But sadly nowadays in modern football, there's no such thing as full-blooded, crunching tackles in a 50-50 ball situation. The ref actually had a good view of it. I'm not sure how he missed Evans went in studs up as well. BR was right. If Jonjo gets a red for that, so should Evans.

On another note, let's hope that Agger's injury isn't as bad as feared. The same goes to Kelly and Borini too.
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He also missed Van Persie's lunge and Suarez's penalty. He only saw football with 1 side of his eye unlike us watching with 2 eyes.
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No surprise then that McMahon vehemently disagreed that it was a red card. I watched football in the 80's when Macca was still a midfield enforcer for us. The rules have changed a lot since then, no doubt due in part to protecting the interests of sponsors who endorse teams and players. In short, if a players gets injured today, a lot of people are at risk of losing money.

Rules are rules however and in Jonjo deserved a red card, so did Evans. Simple as.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 24 2012, 03:10 PM)
He also missed Van Persie's lunge and Suarez's penalty. He only saw football with 1 side of his eye unlike us watching with 2 eyes.
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For any other players they would have gotten the penalty but Suarez's fall was too theatrical. He was also infamous for his staged plays in front of goal and also the hand of god in WC. How can you persuade referee to give you a penalty with that kind of player profile? Had it been Gerrard who's tackled, the English pride and bias may very well give him a penalty.

It was the extreme opposite for Aguero who was unwilling to fall even tackled by Koscielny. It just goes to show that you need to fall to get a penalty but do not make it too obvious that you're fishing one out, do it the professional way and not an over-dramatic fall.


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 24 2012, 03:57 PM)
No idea dude. Not my area of expertise unfortunately.

Can't find any news on Kelly but from the way he bent his knee, it looked like he may have torn a ligament. I'm just hoping it was a bad sprain.
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MCL Knee Ligament Injury Explained
The Medial Collateral Ligament is the knee ligament located on the inner side of the knee joint. It links the thigh bone and the shin bone. A knee ligament injury is referred to as a sprain, and this knee injury can occur if the knee is twisted or subject to force from an opponent during sport.

The Medial Collateral Ligament is the large ligament on the inside of the knee that links the thigh bone and the shin bone. Damage to a ligament is referred to as a sprain, and depending on the severity of the injury it is classified as first, second or third degree:

A first degree sprain is damage to only a few ligament fibres.
A second degree sprain is damage to a more extensive number of ligament fibres, but the ligament remains intact.
A third degree sprain is a complete rupture of the ligament. Because of the force involved in this injury other structures in the knee, such as the Meniscus (Cartilage) or the Anterior Cruciate Ligament can also be damaged.


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The injury is usually caused in one of two classic ways. In collision sports such as football (soccer), rugby, and American football, the Medial ligament can be damaged when an opponent applies a force (usually from their knee) to the outside aspect of the leg, just above the knee. Alternatively the Medial ligament can be damaged if the studs get caught in turf and the player tries to turn to the side, away from the planted leg.

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Sep 24 2012, 03:19 PM)
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Gosh. I can imagine the pain. This is really crap. First we lost undeservingly. Then we lost so many players at one go while our squad is so thin. We are going to suffer anorexia in a football term.
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damm, the Shelvey-Evans incident is really something new to ponder about,
i know it all may have been over there nth anyone can do, but doing a couple of discussion wont do any bad i supposed
as a neutral,
no matter how many times i watch it, i can't conclude if its a yellow or red
one minute its yellow, then its somewhat red...then back to yellow and then red, both yellow? both red? what sorcery is this..i cant brain

from first glance shelvey looks like 2 footed challenge, but when look at it closely it does look like a 1 footed lunged only
if there is ever a 2 footed lunge, evens challenge was definitely moar like it,
both his feet eventually got off the ground and combine become a flying scissors
yes Evens got the ball first, but i think Shelvey won the ball* and then unluckily went to evans leg
i personally think malice is definitely not there

I don't know what are the rules men it gets so complicated
- Is Shelvey challenge a 2 footed?
- Evans 2 footed
- Evans got the ball first, but Shelvey won the ball
- Shelvey right leg that won the ball unfortunately got to Evans leg

if like that how? unsure.gif
so many If's and How...but one can only suck it up and move on now
tough luck for Shelvey i guess, if it wasn't for the red it would perhaps been a 1 way game.

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QUOTE(Quick` @ Sep 24 2012, 03:41 PM)
damm, the Shelvey-Evans incident is really something new to ponder about,
i know it all may have been over there nth anyone can do, but doing a couple of discussion wont do any bad i supposed
as a neutral,
no matter how many times i watch it, i can't conclude if its a yellow or red
one minute its yellow, then its somewhat red...then back to yellow and then red, both yellow? both red? what sorcery is this..i cant brain

from first glance shelvey looks like 2 footed challenge, but when look at it closely it does look like a 1 footed lunged only
if there is ever a 2 footed lunge, evens challenge was definitely moar like it,
both his feet eventually got off the ground and combine become a flying scissors
yes Evens got the ball first, but i think Shelvey won the ball* and then unluckily went to evans leg
i personally think malice is definitely not there

I don't know what are the rules men it gets so complicated
- Is Shelvey challenge a 2 footed?
- Evans 2 footed
- Evans got the ball first, but Shelvey won the ball
- Shelvey right leg that won the ball unfortunately got to Evans leg

if like that how? unsure.gif
so many If's and How...but one can only suck it up and move on now
tough luck for Shelvey i guess, if it wasn't for the red it would perhaps been a 1 way game.
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Does it matter when you are watching MU's Premier League? Anything MU does is ok. Other teams = no no no!
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 24 2012, 04:04 PM)
Does it matter when you are watching MU's Premier League? Anything MU does is ok. Other teams = no no no!
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thats the spirit. not matter what happens its MU fault. so just leave it as MU fed up with Liverpool liao wants to get them relegated smile.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 24 2012, 04:04 PM)
Does it matter when you are watching MU's Premier League? Anything MU does is ok. Other teams = no no no!
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sweat.gif its silly to say its a MU premier league

QUOTE(whoopa @ Sep 24 2012, 04:09 PM)
thats the spirit. not matter what happens its MU fault. so just leave it as MU fed up with Liverpool liao wants to get them relegated smile.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 24 2012, 04:04 PM)
Does it matter when you are watching MU's Premier League? Anything MU does is ok. Other teams = no no no!
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Its not our fault ok when you guys cant get a win after 5 games. Instead of rueing this lost to united, why dont you have a detailed analysis of why liverpool is sitting at the relegation zone now laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Sep 24 2012, 04:13 PM)
Its not our fault ok when you guys cant get a win after 5 games. Instead of rueing this lost to united, why dont you have a detailed analysis of why liverpool is sitting at the relegation zone now laugh.gif
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Yup. Of course. You guys played wonderful football yesterday. I think the MU players have more honor in admitting they were crap but not their fans. Their fans saw winning as marvelous and nothing else matter.

Jamie Redknapp: All the decisions went against Liverpool today.
Gary Neville: I agree.

Even your legendary player is honorable. Follow his example. Stop coming to here and telling us about our position in the table. When you win the premier league, just remember Mark Halsey play a part for you. Be happy as a dirty champion! Sleep well.
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For those who still think Shelvey who doesnt deserved the red card please see the gif above.
if you see both legs are up in the air so it is dangerous. Rules are rules so get over it guys. Once both of you leg is in the air referee have the rights to send you off.

As for Evan well there is nothing much we could do. If their supporter thinks is correct let it be as it is just wasting time arguing for thing that you cant change.


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QUOTE(melt @ Sep 24 2012, 04:21 PM)
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For those who still think Shelvey who doesnt deserved the red card please see the gif above.
if you see both legs are up in the air so it is dangerous. Rules are rules so get over it guys. Once both of you leg is in the air referee have the rights to send you off.

As for Evan well there is nothing much we could do. If their supporter thinks is correct let it be as it is just wasting time arguing for thing that you cant change.
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One decision right doesnt make up for 3 wrong decisions. Their supporter only thinks Shelvey is guilty but not Evans nor Van Persie. They also think Suarez dive and Valencia getting the penalty was correct. People like that are enemy of football. Fans of club but enemy of football.
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