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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 1-2 ManU

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post Sep 19 2012, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 18 2012, 07:15 PM)
HOLY F!!!! We are that desperateeeeeeee
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Seriously, I would have loved it. I still think that Torres will excel to his old form if he comes back to Liverpool. In Liverpool, they play the ball to him more often and they form the play around his strength. Suarez could have easily provided so many assists to Torres.

Unfortunately, things are not meant to be and we are now without a prolific striker.
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post Sep 19 2012, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 19 2012, 10:26 AM)
Seriously, I would have loved it. I still think that Torres will excel to his old form if he comes back to Liverpool. In Liverpool, they play the ball to him more often and they form the play around his strength. Suarez could have easily provided so many assists to Torres.

Unfortunately, things are not meant to be and we are now without a prolific striker.
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I think I read somewhere that the 'prominent Liverpool player' that requested Comolli to do so did so after a hint of interest from Torres, who at the time was having a *ahem* Tor-rid time at Chelsea. Speculation is that player was Reina.
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post Sep 19 2012, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 19 2012, 10:27 AM)
I think I read somewhere that the 'prominent Liverpool player' that requested Comolli to do so did so after a hint of interest from Torres, who at the time was having a *ahem* Tor-rid time at Chelsea. Speculation is that player was Reina.
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Yup. Wildly speculated to be Reina due to the Spanish connection but it could also be Gerrard since Torres and Gerrard are really close.

Fernando got to face it. He made a wrong career move just like Mickey (Michael Owen) and now he has to pay a big price for it. Chelsea has destroyed so many big names such as Mutu, Shevchenko, Kezman, etc. Such a silly move.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 19 2012, 10:43 AM)
Yup. Wildly speculated to be Reina due to the Spanish connection but it could also be Gerrard since Torres and Gerrard are really close.

Fernando got to face it. He made a wrong career move just like Mickey (Michael Owen) and now he has to pay a big price for it. Chelsea has destroyed so many big names such as Mutu, Shevchenko, Kezman, etc. Such a silly move.
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True, but seems like with Hazard he's slowly coming back to his best. I honestly want to see him at his best again, definitely the most graceful striker I've seen in a long time.
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post Sep 19 2012, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 19 2012, 10:43 AM)
Yup. Wildly speculated to be Reina due to the Spanish connection but it could also be Gerrard since Torres and Gerrard are really close.

Fernando got to face it. He made a wrong career move just like Mickey (Michael Owen) and now he has to pay a big price for it. Chelsea has destroyed so many big names such as Mutu, Shevchenko, Kezman, etc. Such a silly move.
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Come to think of it, only Drogba seems to really thrives as a striker there. Anelka & Kalou is decent but always play out of position. Must be the way the team is built ard the Ivorian.
Ski - graveyards of strikers laugh.gif

QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 19 2012, 10:44 AM)
True, but seems like with Hazard he's slowly coming back to his best. I honestly want to see him at his best again, definitely the most graceful striker I've seen in a long time.
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surely his form is coming back slowly since end of last season but doubt we'll ever see the devastating Torres we saw in Reds as injury takes it toll esp he aint getting younger & also the team is not built ard him at all.
Torres is one of the most complete players of his generation. Aragones once said, he nvr saw torres scored same type of goal twice nod.gif
Thou I think the phrase more apt for RvP.
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post Sep 19 2012, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 19 2012, 10:44 AM)
True, but seems like with Hazard he's slowly coming back to his best. I honestly want to see him at his best again, definitely the most graceful striker I've seen in a long time.
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In Chelsea, the main players of the team are the Gangster head duo of John Terry and Frank Lampard. They determined most of the plays. Some even said those 2 are the ones that caused AVB to be sacked. Torres only has the support of Mata and now Hazard. It clearly shows how unimportant he is to those 2.

In Liverpool, Torres is the main man, besides Gerrard and Carra. They respect him and they play to his style. If he has a barren spell, they will create tap in chances for him to build his confidence back unlike Chelsea. Gerrard and Co will always publicly back him on and off the field. This is not happening in Chelsea. Above all, the fans in Liverpool loves him more.

So now he realised which club is the real deal. Too little, too late.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 19 2012, 10:54 AM)
In Chelsea, the main players of the team are the Gangster head duo of John Terry and Frank Lampard. They determined most of the plays. Some even said those 2 are the ones that caused AVB to be sacked. Torres only has the support of Mata and now Hazard. It clearly shows how unimportant he is to those 2.

In Liverpool, Torres is the main man, besides Gerrard and Carra. They respect him and they play to his style. If he has a barren spell, they will create tap in chances for him to build his confidence back unlike Chelsea. Gerrard and Co will always publicly back him on and off the field. This is not happening in Chelsea. Above all, the fans in Liverpool loves him more.

So now he realised which club is the real deal. Too little, too late.
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1st bold part is really true if you've seen the way the fans take to him.

2nd bold part, is it? don't think so, considering how many gaffes statements he released since he went south.

P/S: beware of ppl telling us to get over & move on....just for discussing torres. whistling.gif

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QUOTE(vreis @ Sep 19 2012, 10:59 AM)
1st bold part is really true if you've seen the way the fans take to him.

2nd bold part, is it? don't think so, considering how many gaffes statements he released since he went south.

P/S: beware of ppl telling us to get over & move on....just for discussing torres.  whistling.gif
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Yup. I am sure Owen and Torres both regretted their decisions massively. Who would want to go from "Hero to Zero"? He even took a pay cut to join Chelsea.

PS - If they stop us from talking about Torres as a topic, we shall reply "The Freedom of Speech" biggrin.gif
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post Sep 19 2012, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(vreis @ Sep 19 2012, 10:59 AM)
1st bold part is really true if you've seen the way the fans take to him.

2nd bold part, is it? don't think so, considering how many gaffes statements he released since he went south.

P/S: beware of ppl telling us to get over & move on....just for discussing torres.  whistling.gif
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Get over it and move on tongue.gif

But seriously, you're right. Torres was one of the most complete strikers I've ever seen. I actually wouldn't rate RVP as high as him. Another complete player I feel is Cristiano Ronaldo, although he often loses out in competitions to Messi due to his selfishness I guess.

I really hope Yesil shines against the Young Boys, though I doubt he'll get a call up against MU. We're probably gonna look at Boringni and Suarez again up front. Though I do hope BR will have the presence of mind to deploy GJ as a winger, since the two newcomers might not be adjusted to the PL yet. Is Enrique still injured? Man I miss Finnan, Arbeloa and Riise
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post Sep 19 2012, 11:14 AM

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By the way, bad news for us.

Shrek (Rooney) is back for the game against us this weekend. How is our defense gonna hold up against RVP, Shrek, Nani and Valencia? All pacy and lethal finisher.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/346897?
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post Sep 19 2012, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 19 2012, 11:04 AM)
Get over it and move on  tongue.gif

But seriously, you're right. Torres was one of the most complete strikers I've ever seen. I actually wouldn't rate RVP as high as him. Another complete player I feel is Cristiano Ronaldo, although he often loses out in competitions to Messi due to his selfishness I guess.

I really hope Yesil shines against the Young Boys, though I doubt he'll get a call up against MU. We're probably gonna look at Boringni and Suarez again up front. Though I do hope BR will have the presence of mind to deploy GJ as a winger, since the two newcomers might not be adjusted to the PL yet. Is Enrique still injured? Man I miss Finnan, Arbeloa and Riise
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Arbeloa is certainly very underrated. Now a mainstay in the all-winning Spanish squad and highly rated by Mourinho.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 19 2012, 10:43 AM)
Fernando got to face it. He made a wrong career move just like Mickey (Michael Owen) and now he has to pay a big price for it. Chelsea has destroyed so many big names such as Mutu, Shevchenko, Kezman, etc. Such a silly move.
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Yes and no depending on how you look at it. He has a Champions League medal. If he had stayed, he'd only have won a League Cup. That being said, I miss the Torres bounce and chant. One of the coolest in recent history.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 19 2012, 11:03 AM)
Yup. I am sure Owen and Torres both regretted their decisions massively. Who would want to go from "Hero to Zero"? He even took a pay cut to join Chelsea.

PS - If they stop us from talking about Torres as a topic, we shall reply "The Freedom of Speech" biggrin.gif
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Who knows? Maybe he enjoys collecting medals from the bench. The fact that he isn't getting younger, I don't see him ever regaining the sort of form he had with us that made him one of the most lethal strikers in Europe.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Sep 19 2012, 11:15 AM)
Arbeloa is certainly very underrated. Now a mainstay in the all-winning Spanish squad and highly rated by Mourinho.
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Indeed and we let him for got all of 2 million. He may have been in the last year of his contract but I thought it would have been smarter to keep him for a year rather than let him go for such a paltry sum.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 19 2012, 11:03 AM)
Yup. I am sure Owen and Torres both regretted their decisions massively. Who would want to go from "Hero to Zero"? He even took a pay cut to join Chelsea.

PS - If they stop us from talking about Torres as a topic, we shall reply "The Freedom of Speech" biggrin.gif
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Mickey seems content enuff collecting big paychecks after his Reds career. Can't see him regreting leaving us considering his fondness of gambling. Someone have to foot his gambling needs right tongue.gif
Just think that its fortunate that the team is not us, Mikey taking the Mickey out of Toon.... biggrin.gif

As for Torres, second tots maybe considering how his post Reds career panned out. but still don't think he regrets it due to the statements he released abt Reds. Oh ya, how's Olala doing over there, Terry not targetting he, is he laugh.gif

QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 19 2012, 11:04 AM)
Get over it and move on  tongue.gif

But seriously, you're right. Torres was one of the most complete strikers I've ever seen. I actually wouldn't rate RVP as high as him. Another complete player I feel is Cristiano Ronaldo, although he often loses out in competitions to Messi due to his selfishness I guess.

I really hope Yesil shines against the Young Boys, though I doubt he'll get a call up against MU. We're probably gonna look at Boringni and Suarez again up front. Though I do hope BR will have the presence of mind to deploy GJ as a winger, since the two newcomers might not be adjusted to the PL yet. Is Enrique still injured? Man I miss Finnan, Arbeloa and Riise
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RvP is for the nvr score 2 same goals statement. In all seriousness, RvP only started scoring freely in the past 18 mths or so. He's nvr a great scorer but a scorer of great goals in his career.
I would say CR is more complete than Torres though. Prob with CR me think is mostly of his arrogance which keeps off the neutral. Messi on the other hand seems more down to earth & low profile, which identifies to most working class ppl.
Finnan & Arbeloa, both solid & unspectacular. While Riise must've lost his shooting boots after 'that' goal, for all his shots threatened spectators more than keepers doh.gif


Added on September 19, 2012, 11:22 am
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 19 2012, 11:18 AM)
Indeed and we let him for got all of 2 million. He may have been in the last year of his contract but I thought it would have been smarter to keep him for a year rather than let him go for such a paltry sum.
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Can't help that he longed to be back to his roots though sometimes i wonder how the heck players think, for going from starter in a good team to being subs in RM. He's not the only one...loads of others are the same.

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QUOTE(vreis @ Sep 19 2012, 11:18 AM)
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RvP is for the nvr score 2 same goals statement. In all seriousness, RvP only started scoring freely in the past 18 mths or so. He's nvr a great scorer but a scorer of great goals in his career.
I would say CR is more complete than Torres though. Prob with CR me think is mostly of his arrogance which keeps off the neutral. Messi on the other hand seems more down to earth & low profile, which identifies to most working class ppl.
Finnan & Arbeloa, both solid & unspectacular. While Riise must've lost his shooting boots after 'that' goal, for all his shots threatened spectators more than keepers doh.gif
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They are all very different players and best in certain aspects. RvP can score goals just unimaginable as CR's, he's the one of the best when it comes to handling volley and he has very good heading ability too. He doesn't score many long range amazing goals or free kicks like CR. CR is obviously a better and more versatile player. He has the speed, penetration, trickery, accuracy, power, physical and aerial abilities. I wouldn't say he handles volley as well as RvP though as RvP has scored many amazing volleys, against Everton, last year against Liverpool and just recently his first goal for MU.

I wouldn't comment much about Torres because I've never seen his prime performance. The only good things I saw in him is he can run and he can pass to others to score quite well. He honestly does not have enough trickery like CR to trick past defenders, hence his low penetration level and he'd sometime fail when it comes to 1v1 situation, that shows a lack of composure in such situation.
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post Sep 19 2012, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(vreis @ Sep 19 2012, 11:18 AM)
Mickey seems content enuff collecting big paychecks after his Reds career. Can't see him regreting leaving us considering his fondness of gambling. Someone have to foot his gambling needs right tongue.gif
Just think that its fortunate that the team is not us, Mikey taking the Mickey out of Toon.... biggrin.gif

As for Torres, second tots maybe considering how his post Reds career panned out. but still don't think he regrets it due to the statements he released abt Reds. Oh ya, how's Olala doing over there, Terry not targetting he, is he laugh.gif
RvP is for the nvr score 2 same goals statement. In all seriousness, RvP only started scoring freely in the past 18 mths or so. He's nvr a great scorer but a scorer of great goals in his career.
I would say CR is more complete than Torres though. Prob with CR me think is mostly of his arrogance which keeps off the neutral. Messi on the other hand seems more down to earth & low profile, which identifies to most working class ppl.
Finnan & Arbeloa, both solid & unspectacular. While Riise must've lost his shooting boots after 'that' goal, for all his shots threatened spectators more than keepers doh.gif
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Probably perhaps RvP was never played as a main striker spearheading an attack till last season. He has been playing as a winger/supporting striker his entire career. Always thought he is a very good player and would have scored lots of goals even as a supporting striker if not for his injuries.

I miss the Riise in his prime, not the one we sold, maybe it's just me but I can certainly understand why Rafa sold him. What I don't understand is that position has never really been filled since he left. Dossena came and go like the wind. I thought Insua was pretty decent, don't know why we sold him, would've done well as a backup if not a starter.
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watching back Torres's goals for us, i was simply swept away. it was a dream to have such a striker in our squad. its amazing that he and gerrard alone are enough to score us many victories and almost gave us our title in the season we finshed 2nd. if only we were able to reinforce in the following summer, it could have been a whole lot different

but... the tale of what ifs, again...

another thing to share - havent we heard the saying that you cant win anything with kids? how true is that? now that our squad is generally younger, with youngsters like sterling and yesil, and then assaidi and perhaps suso and pacheco, as well as adam, coming into the fray...

perhaps we should have signed podolski. now he is on fire. as the january window is few months away, there are now rumors about huntelaar may be available. we should not make the same mistake twice. he is quality and i think we should sign him. same goes to llorente. then wouldnt look so thin. they will add much qualtiy and experience to the squad
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QUOTE(vreis @ Sep 19 2012, 11:18 AM)
Can't help that he longed to be back to his roots though sometimes i wonder how the heck players think, for going from starter in a good team to being subs in RM. He's not the only one...loads of others are the same.
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Contrary to popular belief, he isn't exactly a backup bench player at Madrid. Mourinho highly values his work rate, consistency and ability to play on both sides. He was at first predominantly used as a rotation player for both Ramos and Marcelo but no longer. Now with Ramos and Pepe at centre back, Arbeloa is a first team regular right back for Madrid. He even made Spain's first 11 with Puyol out with Ramos and Pique at centre back.

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Sep 19 2012, 11:15 AM)
Arbeloa is certainly very underrated. Now a mainstay in the all-winning Spanish squad and highly rated by Mourinho.
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i rated him highly...remember when he burst with carragher..many of us here doesn't defend him (arbeloa).

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