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post Sep 4 2012, 09:07 AM

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I think the Owen deal has fallen through, looks like Owen is most likely headed for Stoke (heard over radio). On another note...Meireles off to Fenerbahce. Sigh, if only he didn't leave.
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post Sep 4 2012, 09:56 AM

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Don't know how far this is true, but this is the news I wanted to hear:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/343936?

Rodgers’ front-line is now wafer thin, but he is adamant that re-signing Owen, who controversially quit the club in 2004 and whose best days are behind him, is not the route Liverpool should go down.
Moves for other unsigned players, such as Emile Heskey and Eidur Gudjohnsen, are also likely to be non-starters. Teenage strikers Adam Morgan, 18, and Samed Yesil, 18, who signed from Bayer Leverkusen last week, are now likely to move up the pecking order.


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post Sep 4 2012, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Sep 4 2012, 11:31 AM)
Now now.. Maybe he still has 10 goals left in those foot of his. Pakai and buang case biggrin.gif
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Lol, if Owen does come I don't see him being used as anything more than an impact sub ala Bellamy or how he was used at MU. I doubt he can perform for a full 90 mins day in/day out, so the lightweight strikeforce problem will still be there.
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post Sep 4 2012, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 02:24 PM)
Seriously, I rather BR gamble on Yesil and Morgan. Giving youngsters some chance may just bring the best out of them and it will be our gain for the long run. They score some wondergoals then they will grow in confidence.
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Hoping for that also, plus it's not like Suarez and Borini are 100% condemned either...lol
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post Sep 4 2012, 11:55 PM

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Hey guys, I don't know if everyone has felt this, but I'm gonna mention my one major frustration with the club. Our inability to attract talent. We're in such a shitty position right now that believe it or not, we have to look at mid table clubs to raid players and inspire us. Just look at our midfield. Raheem Sterling, great no doubt, but a greenhorn at 17. Joe Allen, a playmaker from Swansea. That's right, Swansea. Nuri Sahin, who's been on the bench at Real all year, and Borini whom I've got absolutely no clue about. Stevie G is on old legs, and quite frankly other than Suarez and SG, who in the upper 6 players can we get excited about? And let's not start about Downing in left back. Reina is looking more and more disinterested by the day, and save Coates/Agger/Skrtel and Suarez's inventiveness, I'm not sure where our goals are gonna come from. Remember when we pulled off a major coup by landing Torres ahead of MU? Or when Masch joined us? Now we're hitting ourselves over not getting Dempsey.

I can't believe we've landed here in mid table mediocrity. Sigh.

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post Sep 5 2012, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Sep 5 2012, 12:00 AM)
you're still living in the past. ever since LFC sacked Rafa we've been a mid table club. i accept that and I accept FSG's plan for the future - build young. there are no quick fixes.
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KD was turning things around. If there are no quick fixes why sack him after 1 bad season? Then start over with someone else. What exactly is FSG's plan here?
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post Sep 5 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ Sep 5 2012, 01:15 AM)
KD turning things around? He would have continued playing Henderson, Adam and Downing no matter how bad they played. I just wonder if it was another manager who actually spent the 100 million King Kenny has basically WASTED, where in the table would we be in? We are talking about 100 million pounds.
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The weight of the price tags made Kenny think he had to justify the purchases. And the amount spent, was it really Kenny's doing?

QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Sep 5 2012, 02:02 AM)
If you think that finishing 8th after spending 100+ million is turning around then yeah, pretty sure that's an improvement over a 6th place finish. And that was a time when we arguably still have some pulling power on some of the bigger name players so big money moves for Henderson, Downing and Carroll are pretty shrewd moves I guess.


Added on September 5, 2012, 3:53 am
Suarez and Gerrard should take note. Stop dribbling and passing it out of possession at every opportunity.


Added on September 5, 2012, 4:04 amOf all the free agents available I'm especially keen on the legendary Del Piero. Not an out and out striker but a supporting trequartista. Slotting him into the team will allow Borini to move into a more central position because he seem to be our only natural goalscorer. He is also a set piece specialist and have been known to score goals from outside the box. Its no secret we have problems not just scoring but also creating goals. As the City game has proved, set pieces are good alternative to go to when you can't score from open play.
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I think finishing 8th and reaching two cup finals is turning around the club, yes. Especially comparing the way we played under Kenny to Hodgson. The bigger name player moves stopped once we became a midtable club, i.e. when Hodgson took over. Whoever thought he had the pedigree to manage Liverpool was sadly mistaken. People keep bringing up the money side of things but come on, if FSG was really a shrewd business group, they wouldn't have sanctioned the buys. I don't think Kenny is to blame. And it's also nice to see how people conveniently forget Kenny also brought in Suarez and Enrique.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 5 2012, 08:27 AM)
Dalglish's side suffered from the same ailments we have now, an inability to put the ball in the back of the net. We outplayed our opponents 75% of the time, dominating possession and having the most number of shots on goal. We also contrived to hit the post more times than anyone has in a season. His signings may have been questionable but often, we played some pretty decent footy. Rodgers has since come in and looks to be suffering from the same problem - that we simply cannot score. Not much has changed yet but just 3 games into the season, it's too soon to judge so come what may.

My point is that Kenny wasn't doing as bad as some suggest. Of course if a person doesn't watch our games, only highlights, then their opinion would differ.
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I agree, following the matches I thought there was a world of difference. But then they sacked KD and here we are back at square one, or should I say square -1 considering we only have a 19 man squad now.

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post Sep 5 2012, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 5 2012, 11:02 AM)
Looks like Del Piero is still waiting for us to make an offer. Coolness. Perhaps he can show Borini and Suarez how to score from long range, back heel and bicycle kick. biggrin.gif
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Where did you guys get the news on Del Piero from? I can't find anything much about that.

Also, I just read this. I have to eat my words about Dempsey being too old:

(About Dempsey)He turned 29 last March, and he acknowledges that his body was “beaten up” by the demands of last season.

Manchester United has just paid ÂŁ24 million for a striker, Robin van Persie, who on Sunday scored a hat trick in the 3-2 victory over Southampton.

Van Persie is also 29.

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post Sep 5 2012, 12:44 PM

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a good read for fans about our bad experiences with transfers:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1320844...iverpool-fc-way
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post Sep 6 2012, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 6 2012, 08:33 AM)
Regarding the Bleacher Report on poor transfers. Whilst I agree we've made a number of dodgy signings, I have to say that so have other clubs, plus we did make some really good signings in the following players:

Mark Wright, Rob Jones, Vegard Haggem, Daniel Agger, Marcus Babbel, Jason McAteer, Sami Hyypia, Stephan Henchoz, Patrik Berger, Xabi Alonso, Dirk Kuyt, Fernando Torres, Dean Saunders, Luis Suarez, Raul Meireles, Jari  & Gary Mac (on a free but still a transfer), Didi Hamann, Javier Mascherano, Stan Collymore, Alvaro Arbeloa, Yossi Benayoun, Steve Finnan, Luis Garcia, Pepe Reina, John Arne Riise, Ronny Rosenthal, and Martin Skrtel were decent to very good signings.

It mentions the emergence of Jamie Redknapp and Danny Murphy but it needs to be noted that they are local lads and were acquired from Bournemouth and Crewe respectively.

Maybe if we measures the percentage of success a club has with players by plotting the number of players signed against those who were deemed a success in an X and Y axis.

The problem with Souness was that he sold the likes of Houghton, McMahon, Beardsley and Staunton too early. They were still very good players and I do agree with the report in that the acquisitions of Speedie, Stewart, Clough (although he did score a hat trick against the mancs), Walters, Dicks and Razor Ruddock in particular were mind boggling. Houllier justified his signing of Jean Michel Ferri, who never featured in a single game by saying that he was his spy in the dressing room. The report doesnt mention Bernard Diomede who was a World Cup winner when we signed him.


Added on September 6, 2012, 8:40 am

We can't act based on what others are doing. We can only adhere to what the authorities are saying and if there is any truth in their words, FFP will take effect in 2013.

Regardless of big sponsorship deals, the clubs you've mentioned will still have to downsize. How much is a big sponsorship deal worth? 20-20 million a season e.g. Stand Chart. Assuming we had Yaya Toure, half of that would be used to pay his wages not including bonuses. FFP will not single handedly ensure a level playing ground but it is a step in the right direction. The amount of debt floating in the air is bigger than the economies of some developed nations.
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There was an article on soccernet about FFP. Apparently sponsorship deals will be benchmarked against other clubs. For example, if Barcelona is currently in a 20M pound deal, by comparison a 100M pound deal in Man City would be fishy, so they'd only take the benchmarked value of 20-30M pounds. I know, sounds weird but this article might help:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature/_/id/...r-play-?cc=5901
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post Sep 8 2012, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 8 2012, 10:01 AM)
It's important to have the person that have the presence and influence in the dressing room. Lucas is a very good player but I dont think he has that leadership quality. Almost all the managers love Lucas during their time here. None has selected him as possible captain when Stevie and Carra are not playing. Instead it goes to Reina. It says a lot.
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I think in terms of leading by example, the right person who's been a consistent performer all of our previous season and this has been Skrtel. Not entirely sure of the presence he commands though, but you can definitely see him pumping up the others.
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post Sep 12 2012, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 12 2012, 02:28 PM)
Important day today. I hope those poor people get some long over due closure. JTF96.
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I didn't quite watch the link Duke posted, but isn't the Hillsborough anniversary on the 15th of April? Or are you referring to the release of Hillsborough papers today?

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post Sep 12 2012, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Sep 12 2012, 05:27 PM)
Yeap.. took a toll on Kenny.. which leads to his abrupt resignation. Truly a great man.. finest ever player to don the shirt. Thats why I still bitter towards FSG for what they did to Kenny. Travel half the world just to get fired by them.
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I don't want to spark another debate but yes, I totally agree. I was never happy with Kenny's sacking and BR's appointment, despite what people say about the money he wasted. But BR is here now, and dislike it I might, but I'm hoping he can right the rudder on Liverpool's ship


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QUOTE(beenthere @ Sep 12 2012, 05:30 PM)
i hope u guys can excuse my lack of knowledge, but may i know what's JTF? i got a feeling that its related to the Hillsborough incident?
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JFT96=justice for the 96

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post Sep 12 2012, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Sep 12 2012, 11:15 PM)
I also feel the same when i read new revelations how the US actually knew but hushed up soviet's accountability for the katyn masacre.

JFT 20k.
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I don't know what to make of this post, are you actually being sincere or trying to take the pi$$ out of us fans here?
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post Sep 14 2012, 02:23 PM

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I started at the end of Houllier's tenure, around 2004 i think, just before Rafa came in. I remember thinking, 'what's all this fuss about football' as I turned the telly to a Liverpool match. Then I saw this strange looking dude with reddish hair launch the ball in with a long throw. I would later learn he had a sweet left foot too. And that's how I started following the Reds, literally the first team I watched on telly...haha. On another note, my manager yesterday was surprised when I told him I supported Liverpool. He supports them too and said I'm too young to have known them in their prime...sadly I think a lot of people my age are either Chelsea, MU or MC fans.
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post Sep 14 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 14 2012, 02:42 PM)
So you turned on  the telly and it just happens to be Liverpool playing and decided that was your team ? That's fate man haha.
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yeah man tell me about it. i started liking them even though they drew that first game i watched, and my choice was sealed when i visited a friend's house for deepavali or something. there were a bunch of us there and we were playing FIFA, one of the older ones. I picked Liverpool and Owen scored me the winning goal...ever since those two incidents, I just went with it, and well, 8 years later, here I am...lol. At that point I knew nothing about our history/players anything, I was only vaguely aware of our illustrious history. My friends (Arsenal fans - I think it was the invincibles era) would make fun of me every time, and I would defend Liverpool, and when I entered uni, I found myself outnumbered by MU fans. But I'm proud to call myself a red, and have never looked back smile.gif. That being said, since Riise was the first Liverpool player I watched on TV, I was naturally gutted when he left for Roma sad.gif

QUOTE(vreis @ Sep 14 2012, 02:46 PM)
I actually happened to support Reds due to the name LIVERPOOL. Found it nice....Fate maybe, I dunno...
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Haha, almost as random as my story...lol
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post Sep 14 2012, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 14 2012, 04:00 PM)
I did not know "The Joker" from Batman plays for Liverpool. WHen was this? LOL biggrin.gif
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Lol...good ol Riise of course. I remember one match (I think it was Champs league semi final 2005) where after we won he stripped down to his underwear while celebrating
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post Sep 14 2012, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 14 2012, 05:03 PM)
To be honest, I love Liverpool more than all my past girlfriends combined. If only I can show the same affection to a woman, I'll be the world's greatest boyfriend. LOL biggrin.gif
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I have a Liverpool window dangler thingy dangling from my backseat window of my car. One of my friends said it was bothering him. I told him he doesn't want me to choose between him and Liverpool lol.
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post Sep 16 2012, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 16 2012, 10:17 AM)
Let's get a few perspectives right. We are not in crisis but our defense is in crisis after costing us arguably all 4 games. And yes, if this goes on we are relegation candidate even if we play better football. Don't get me wrong. I like the system but our defense is too weak to support the current flow of play. We don't fix our defense we are going to lose more points.
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Agreed, watching the match yesterday I have a few positives/negatives I noticed in the play:

1. Johnson and Sterling, arguably our best players yesterday, yet I feel Johnson would better serve as a winger with less defensive responsibilities. Definitely better in my opinion than Downing, but I dunno how he compares to Assaidi or Sahin. Perhaps when Enrique and Kelly are available, play them both with Johnson and Sterling?
2. Reina was a bit shaky again, and some may say he was to blame for the goal.\
3. Suarez going to ground too often is going to cement his bad image even further and probably result in less calls being given for Liverpool rather than against.
4. Possession - we have to start making more important passes. There's no use having so much possession if 2/3 of it is in your defensive 3rd.
5. Lack of a finisher. We all know this. Put in Yesil or Morgan perhaps?
6. Gerrard missing passes - I don't know what to say about this...have Gerrard as a winger and play Sterling inside? Sterling has had success on the wing, but it would be interesting to see him play off the front man.

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post Sep 16 2012, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(xMika @ Sep 16 2012, 06:24 PM)
I think most of the people here just picks on Gerrard and make the most out of his mistake on passes .. he did made a few long cross forward giving the ball to Sterling .. I watched the full 94 minutes so I know. Don't expect 100% passing accuracy when you try to make an ambitious pass to your team mates ..
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True, he did make quite a few good long passes. I think our downfall in yesterday's match, no matter how well we played, is we got caught in possession a lot of times, and as I mentioned earlier, we kept the ball in the wrong 3rd for too long.

One thing I did like was seeing Suarez run after to get back the ball after he'd been dispossessed.

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