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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V30, with <3s

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mieza
post Sep 7 2012, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 7 2012, 10:22 AM)
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=113&t=1792872

See got other FLX owners interested, bulk lar.
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Proton Saga FLX SE only right? I wonder why you all need vacuum gauge.. Speedometer pon susah mau tengok..
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QUOTE(mieza @ Sep 7 2012, 10:52 AM)
Proton Saga FLX SE only right? I wonder why you all need vacuum gauge.. Speedometer pon susah mau tengok..
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mieza ,x yah susah2...
just use ur 6th sense to drive laugh.gif
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:01 AM

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post Sep 7 2012, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Sep 7 2012, 11:52 AM)
Proton Saga FLX SE only right? I wonder why you all need vacuum gauge.. Speedometer pon tak kesah mau tengok..
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:04 AM

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shyt! just remember flx se no MT doh.gif
my fault...
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dares
post Sep 7 2012, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Sep 7 2012, 10:52 AM)
Proton Saga FLX SE only right? I wonder why you all need vacuum gauge.. Speedometer pon susah mau tengok..
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If it works for FLX SE then it should work for FLX. Siape FLX wanna test? Come come TT


Added on September 7, 2012, 11:07 am
QUOTE(lhwj @ Sep 7 2012, 10:50 AM)
I got a third theory. The brakes is powered by engine vacuum right? If you tekan throttle until vacuum gauge points at 0, means there's no vacuum to power your brakes shocking.gif
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The second you lift of throttle vacuum will return ma. Unless you heel toe or press brake with your left foot lar

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post Sep 7 2012, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Sep 7 2012, 10:50 AM)
I got a third theory. The brakes is powered by engine vacuum right? If you tekan throttle until vacuum gauge points at 0, means there's no vacuum to power your brakes shocking.gif
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Partially correct nod.gif

When full throttle, meaning no restriction. Engine suck how much, the air filter will take how much. If your air filter so damn dirty, even full throttle your vacuum will still point at 1-2in/hg laugh.gif

When vacuum 0, also meaning piston draw air directly from the biggest inlet(air intake pipe) whereas brake assistent need vacumized from intake manifold. So, your theory is right. Brake assistant will not exist under full throttle(even if there is will be very limited).

Your partial right will be totally non-sense. Regardless manual/auto, you only use right foot to control brake/gas pedal. When you full throttle sprint, you don't press on brake. When emergency brake, no point hit the gas, throttle shut, gain vacuum, brake pump full force vacumized. Last but not least, when you heel & toe, what action 1st? Brake first, then clutch followed by rev up, release clutch and gas pedal icon_idea.gif still got brake.
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:11 AM

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Can i use this one?

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post Sep 7 2012, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(sahar @ Sep 7 2012, 11:11 AM)
Can i use this one?

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Added on September 7, 2012, 11:13 am
QUOTE(dares @ Sep 7 2012, 11:05 AM)
If it works for FLX SE then it should work for FLX. Siape FLX wanna test? Come come TT


Added on September 7, 2012, 11:07 am

The second you lift of throttle vacuum will return ma. Unless you heel toe or press brake with your left foot lar
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Who want to be white mouse 1st?Btw, ur car is FLX SE right?If I not mistaken....

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post Sep 7 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Sep 7 2012, 11:12 AM)

Who want to be white mouse 1st?Btw, ur car is FLX SE right?If I not mistaken....
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Yar

Thats why I ask siape FLX mau cuba lar, since I ady know SE can use
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 7 2012, 12:16 PM)
Yar

Thats why I ask siape FLX mau cuba lar, since I ady know SE can use
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MIEZA.
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:27 AM

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Day 23rd without BLM... sad.gif
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 7 2012, 11:05 AM)
If it works for FLX SE then it should work for FLX. Siape FLX wanna test? Come come TT


Added on September 7, 2012, 11:07 am

The second you lift of throttle vacuum will return ma. Unless you heel toe or press brake with your left foot lar
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 7 2012, 11:10 AM)
Partially correct nod.gif

When full throttle, meaning no restriction. Engine suck how much, the air filter will take how much. If your air filter so damn dirty, even full throttle your vacuum will still point at 1-2in/hg laugh.gif

When vacuum 0, also meaning piston draw air directly from the biggest inlet(air intake pipe) whereas brake assistent need vacumized from intake manifold. So, your theory is right. Brake assistant will not exist under full throttle(even if there is will be very limited).

Your partial right will be totally non-sense. Regardless manual/auto, you only use right foot to control brake/gas pedal. When you full throttle sprint, you don't press on brake. When emergency brake, no point hit the gas, throttle shut, gain vacuum, brake pump full force vacumized. Last but not least, when you heel & toe, what action 1st? Brake first, then clutch followed by rev up, release clutch and gas pedal icon_idea.gif still got brake.
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I actually meant this might happen to those who drive auto with both feet. Could be that they tekan brake with their left foot while not realising that the right foot is at full throttle.

But I checked, GaryBenjamin drives a manual, so it's not plausible that this happened in his case.
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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Sep 7 2012, 11:12 AM)
Ur car scratched?Remember must match to ur car colour...


Added on September 7, 2012, 11:13 am

Who want to be white mouse 1st?Btw, ur car is FLX SE right?If I not mistaken....
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Yes, due to careless Eonos JJ Bukit Tinggi staff Polish my ride yesterday..its 4spots on the stock spoiler..huhu
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Sep 7 2012, 12:28 PM)
I actually meant this might happen to those who drive auto with both feet . Could be that they tekan brake with their left foot while not realising that the right foot is at full throttle.

But I checked, GaryBenjamin drives a manual, so it's not plausible that this happened in his case.
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who would be that driver? shocking.gif
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 7 2012, 09:11 AM)
2) Its weird hmm.gif more fuel goes in will reduce engine brake(keep the engine alive) to really cut off fuel supply, turn your key back to ACC position from ON(so you don't lock your steering). Now that is real engine braking icon_idea.gif Don't wanna argue with those with OBD2, but engine shall not cut off fuel supply until shut down. If the cut off fuel supply did exist as TOYOTA suggested, then the problem will be when rolling downhill, if you step on clutch then engine mati straight away. No powah steering, no hydraulic brake, no ABS doh.gif i'd think when injector/ml 0 reading meaning not sending signal to the injector, but fuel being tarik by vacuum to keep the engine alive.
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The injector response time is quick enough to start again when the RPM goes a specified ECU threshold.

You can also see someone mentioned: "DFCO was a requirement for all OBD II vehicles. So anything post 1996 should have it."
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2184765

I haven't found Persona's parameter for injection duty cycle from OBD2, but at least I can see the engine entering open loop mode during the fuel cut, suggesting that the ECU does not monitor AFR anymore while rolling down the hill.
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 7 2012, 11:30 AM)
who would be that driver?  shocking.gif
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My aunt. She told me she's been doing that since she learnt how to drive whistling.gif

You know sometimes you see cars with their brake light on while they're cruising? Left foot brakers lor.
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Sep 7 2012, 11:27 AM)
Day 23rd without BLM... sad.gif
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me day 10 without BLM... sad.gif
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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Sep 7 2012, 11:33 AM)
me day 10 without BLM... sad.gif
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How's both your repair jobs going?
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Sep 7 2012, 11:30 AM)
The injector response time is quick enough to start again when the RPM goes a specified ECU threshold.

You can also see someone mentioned: "DFCO was a requirement for all OBD II vehicles. So anything post 1996 should have it."
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2184765

I haven't found Persona's parameter for injection duty cycle from OBD2, but at least I can see the engine entering open loop mode during the fuel cut, suggesting that the ECU does not monitor AFR anymore while rolling down the hill.
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i wonder any sensor to detect manual gear whether in gear or not... hmm.gif

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