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afhamhilman
post Sep 8 2012, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(zerohunter @ Sep 8 2012, 01:56 AM)
min requirement is 500w so don't worry, the input power for this card is LOW but the output performance is HIGH  drool.gif

i suggest enermax naxn 550w reason

550w 80+ bronze rated
nicely sleeved cables
one of the top psu makers (u can google for user review)
i personally used 2 psu of enermax before, the reason i'm not using it on my rig now is coz they don't have any 650w gold rated modular sad.gif
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ok then. now u assure me for the psu. still undecided for the gpu though. haha. still have few more days to think about it. btw, for the motherboard. let say if i have extra cash. can i go for MSI Z77A-G43? as the price differences 30-40 with the one u suggested earlier.
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QUOTE(afhamhilman @ Sep 8 2012, 02:08 AM)
ok then. now u assure me for the psu. still undecided for the gpu though. haha. still have few more days to think about it. btw, for the motherboard. let say if i have extra cash. can i go for MSI Z77A-G43? as the price differences 30-40 with the one u suggested earlier.
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Z77 boards are for K series chip, a H77 would be good, save up the extra cash
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post Sep 8 2012, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(afhamhilman @ Sep 8 2012, 02:08 AM)
ok then. now u assure me for the psu. still undecided for the gpu though. haha. still have few more days to think about it. btw, for the motherboard. let say if i have extra cash. can i go for MSI Z77A-G43? as the price differences 30-40 with the one u suggested earlier.
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if u insist, why not ? the reason u don't need the z77 is because u are not doing any cpu overclocking. if u wanna do the overclock, u need the k version cpu, z77 mobo, and of course an after market cpu cooler as well coz it will produce more heat when add cpu voltage and overclock. the h77ma-g43 and the other one z77a-g43 no different except the h77 and z77 chipset. maybe u can save up the money for a gaming mouse or xbox controller tongue.gif
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post Sep 8 2012, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(AssToast @ Sep 8 2012, 02:11 AM)
Z77 boards are for K series chip, a H77 would be good, save up the extra cash
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tq for the info.

QUOTE(zerohunter @ Sep 8 2012, 02:11 AM)
if u insist, why not ? the reason u don't need the z77 is because u are not doing any cpu overclocking. if u wanna do the overclock, u need the k version cpu, z77 mobo, and of course an after market cpu cooler as well coz it will produce more heat when add cpu voltage and overclock. the h77ma-g43 and the other one z77a-g43 no different except the h77 and z77 chipset. maybe u can save up the money for a gaming mouse or xbox controller tongue.gif
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at the moment i have zero percent knowledge about overclocking. but if i have the free time. im willing to learn about overclocking. so maybe i could learn to overclock in the future and i invest on the motherboard first? if im not mistaken, based on my research. the motherboard is one among the best right?

actually all other equipment i already have. except for the rig. currently using dell u2312hm connected to my laptop. filco keyboard and ime3.0 mouse smile.gif

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post Sep 8 2012, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(afhamhilman @ Sep 8 2012, 02:19 AM)
tq for the info.
at the moment i have zero percent knowledge about overclocking. but if i have the free time. im willing to learn about overclocking. so maybe i could learn to overclock in the future and i invest on the motherboard first? if im not mistaken, based on my research. the motherboard is one among the best right?

actually all other equipment i already have. except for the rig. currently using dell u2312hm connected to my laptop. filco keyboard and ime3.0 mouse  smile.gif
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a yes for above statement. it's overall a good price/performance mobo. somehow changing mobo is troublesome, need to remove many things that attached, if u have the plan to learn oc, get the z77 one then

damn ur peripherals are great thumbup.gif

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post Sep 8 2012, 03:04 AM

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QUOTE(dlwl @ Sep 7 2012, 03:24 PM)
[Budget] RM3k
[Purpose] For redering / calculation using MATLAB software
[Hardware that will be reuse from old rig] None, all brand new
[Monitor resolution] FullHD
[Game or software that use frequently] MATLAB

Can have 2 quotations, 1 with monitor and 1 without monitor? Thanks biggrin.gif
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depend on what the user is rendering/calculating in MATLAB, from my experience (few weeks of experience in MATLAB for image recognition assignment). but I'm gonna say that it'll cost quite a bit

here's the information for sifu to recommend system for you.

CPU: more core = better (quad core or quad core with HT) *I've heard some pro MATLAB user use an array of PCs to calculate

RAM: MATLAB is one memory hungry application (memory trashing might affect the rendering)

HDD / SSD: *if user uses virtual RAM, it'll affect the performance as well. *faster application startup. MATLAB do startup slow. (I use Crucial M4 128GB also feel it starts very slow.)

GPU: CUDA cores will help in computation, but in the end, it still relies on user's project whether got utilize it or not. nvidia cards with CUDA 1.3 or later (http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-gpus) *MATLAB do not support computation acceleration from AMD/ATi

there you go, recommend a machine to fit his needs.
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post Sep 8 2012, 06:59 AM

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Guru,
Need some understanding of below :-

1. what is the different between Z68 vs h77 chipset ?
2. what is SLI/Crossfire about ?

Thanks in advance !
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post Sep 8 2012, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(dlwl @ Sep 7 2012, 03:24 PM)
[Budget] RM3k
[Purpose] For redering / calculation using MATLAB software
[Hardware that will be reuse from old rig] None, all brand new
[Monitor resolution] FullHD
[Game or software that use frequently] MATLAB

Can have 2 quotations, 1 with monitor and 1 without monitor? Thanks biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(JohnDiew0107 @ Sep 8 2012, 03:04 AM)
depend on what the user is rendering/calculating in MATLAB, from my experience (few weeks of experience in MATLAB for image recognition assignment). but I'm gonna say that it'll cost quite a bit

here's the information for sifu to recommend system for you.

CPU: more core  = better (quad core or quad core with HT) *I've heard some pro MATLAB user use an array of PCs to calculate

RAM: MATLAB is one memory hungry application (memory trashing might affect the rendering)

HDD / SSD: *if user uses virtual RAM, it'll affect the performance as well. *faster application startup. MATLAB do startup slow. (I use Crucial M4 128GB also feel it starts very slow.)

GPU: CUDA cores will help in computation, but in the end, it still relies on user's project whether got utilize it or not. nvidia cards with CUDA 1.3 or later (http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-gpus) *MATLAB do not support computation acceleration from AMD/ATi

there you go, recommend a machine to fit his needs.
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hmm, perhaps

intel core i7 3770 rm909
msi h77ma-g43 rm319
kingston value 4gb x4 rm248
leadtek gtx 550 ti rm369
intel 330 120gb rm319
wd blue 1tb rm249
liteon dvd-rw rm59
fsp hexa 500w rm149
aerocool strike x one advance rm139

total rm2760 (viewnet)

recommended monitors

viewsonic vx2250vm 21.5' full hd led rm350 (jayacom)
dell u2312hm 23' full hd ips led rm559 (boonykun garage sales)

QUOTE(alvincks @ Sep 8 2012, 06:59 AM)
Guru,
Need some understanding of below :-

1. what is the different between Z68 vs h77 chipset ?
2. what is SLI/Crossfire about ?

Thanks in advance !
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z68
This chipset represents the pinnacle of Intel’s second-generation, mainstream Core processor platform (also known as Sandy Bridge). It combined the key features of the earlier P67 and H67 chipsets, as we have previously discussed. It supports splitting the main PCI-Express x16 connection into two x8 slots, allowing SLI or Crossfire functionality for improved gaming. It also allows for overclocking of select processors, and was the first Intel chipset to add Smart Response Technology – Intel’s fancy name for SSD caching of a traditional hard drive. Use of the onboard graphics on Intel’s Sandy Bridge processors is also supported, with up to two simultaneous monitor outputs.

h77
This is a scaled-back chipset option, suitable when overclocking and multiple video cards are not needed. It cannot split the main PCI-Express x16 slot into two connections, though the PCI-Express 3.0 standard is still supported (with the upcoming processors). Support for increasing the multiplier on unlocked processor models is also missing, hence the lack of overclocking support. Aside from those two limitations, though, it is effectively the same as Z77: the same number of SATA and USB ports are there, SSD caching, onboard Intel graphics, and more.

source here

basically for current new setup, u only need to look at z77 or h77 . for oc, get z77, non oc get h77.


alvincks
post Sep 8 2012, 11:01 AM

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Thanks for great explanation zerohunter !!
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post Sep 8 2012, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(dlwl @ Sep 7 2012, 03:24 PM)
[Budget] RM3k
[Purpose] For redering / calculation using MATLAB software
[Hardware that will be reuse from old rig] None, all brand new
[Monitor resolution] FullHD
[Game or software that use frequently] MATLAB

Can have 2 quotations, 1 with monitor and 1 without monitor? Thanks biggrin.gif
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That budget were kinda tight for a full setup.. sweat.gif

Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 3.3GHz RM699
MSI B75MA-P45 mainboard RM224
Kingston 1333 DDR3 ram 4x4GB RM256
Palit GT640 2GB GDDR5 RM389
Corsair CX500 80+ PSU RM195
Intel 330 Series 120GB SSD RM339
WD Caviar Blue 1TB HDD RM240
Xigmatek Asgard Pro case RM159
Lite-On 22x DVDRW RM59
LG IPS2240T 21.5" monitor RM419

Total - RM2979.00

IINM,for MATLAB,you need a better GPU which implements as much of OpenGL on it's hardware as possible..read from some sos.. smile.gif
So,if u can afford more pricier card,the better.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Cable707 @ Sep 8 2012, 11:47 AM)
That budget were kinda tight for a full setup.. sweat.gif

Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 3.3GHz RM699
MSI B75MA-P45 mainboard RM224
Kingston 1333 DDR3 ram 4x4GB RM256
Palit GT640 2GB GDDR5 RM389
Corsair CX500 80+ PSU RM195
Intel 330 Series 120GB SSD RM339
WD Caviar Blue 1TB HDD RM240
Xigmatek Asgard Pro case RM159
Lite-On 22x DVDRW RM59
LG IPS2240T 21.5" monitor RM419

Total - RM2979.00

IINM,for MATLAB,you need a better GPU which implements as much of OpenGL on it's hardware as possible..read from some sos.. smile.gif
So,if u can afford more pricier card,the better.. smile.gif
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anyone can confirm that the GT640 at jayacom is GDDR5 and not GDDR3? coz i heard GDDR5 is only for oem makers
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QUOTE(AssToast @ Sep 8 2012, 12:00 PM)
anyone can confirm that the GT640 at jayacom is GDDR5 and not GDDR3? coz i heard GDDR5 is only for oem makers
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Someone have to call or go there,then.. tongue.gif
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post Sep 8 2012, 12:35 PM

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thanks guys for your replies, awesome man thumbup.gif
got a few questions to ask.

1. Core i7 3770 and Xeon E3-1230 - What's the difference between both the processors? Looking at the price, can I assume the performance of i7 3770 > Xeon E3-1230?
2. Is it better to include a third party CPU cooler in, or can stock fan do the job?
3. GTX550Ti vs GT640, which one is a better performing chip?

This post has been edited by dlwl: Sep 8 2012, 12:37 PM
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Hi guys,

Need help in buying a new pc. Not sure if this is ok cause I don't see other people asking this question around here. I'm not very pro in pc lingo (eg: overclocking?) but I'll try my best to give you guys more details.

What I intend to do with the PC: Graphics software (lightroom, photoshop, illustrator, occasional after effects and video editing), gaming (I play some first person shooter games but the graphics dont have to be at highest levels) + all usual stuff like internet, office etc etc

My budget: 2.5k, could be more or less depends on your suggestions. Also I don't need a monitor and speakers as I already have them.

Here's the vague part, would appreciate it if anyone could suggest a suitable specs for my requirements above and also tips on cooling, power supply, etc. Kinda frustrating when you get home with a new comp then after a few days you just realise there's a tonne of problems with it.

Also, where's the best place to get a desktop in KL? Still lowyat? IF it's possible I hope to get everything in one shop, or at least just 2 shops that are nearby.

Also I might want to get one within a few days, as I'm heading back to my uni and my desktop harddisk just crashed so I'm leaving that at home for repairs.

Any guidance would be much appreciated!

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QUOTE(dlwl @ Sep 8 2012, 12:35 PM)
thanks guys for your replies, awesome man thumbup.gif
got a few questions to ask.

1. Core i7 3770 and Xeon E3-1230 - What's the difference between both the processors? Looking at the price, can I assume the performance of i7 3770 > Xeon E3-1230?
2. Is it better to include a third party CPU cooler in, or can stock fan do the job?
3. GTX550Ti vs GT640, which one is a better performing chip?
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Xeon E3-1230 V2 (make sure its v2, ivy bridge) = i7-2600
a stock hsf will do the work since u wont be ocing
the 640 would be better if confirmed its GDDR5 and not GDDR3


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QUOTE(AIAF @ Sep 8 2012, 12:36 PM)
Hi guys,

Need help in buying a new pc. Not sure if this is ok cause I don't see other people asking this question around here.  I'm not very pro in pc lingo (eg: overclocking?) but I'll try my best to give you guys more details.

What I intend to do with the PC: Graphics software (lightroom, photoshop, illustrator, occasional after effects and video editing), gaming (I play some first person shooter games but the graphics dont have to be at highest levels) + all usual stuff like internet, office etc etc

My budget: 2.5k, could be more or less depends on your suggestions. Also I don't need a monitor and speakers as I already have them.

Here's the vague part, would appreciate it if anyone could suggest a suitable specs for my requirements above and also tips on cooling, power supply, etc. Kinda frustrating when you get home with a new comp then after a few days you just realise there's a tonne of problems with it.

Also, where's the best place to get a desktop in KL? Still lowyat? IF it's possible I hope to get everything in one shop, or at least just 2 shops that are nearby.

If it's possible I want to get one within a few days, as I'm heading back to my uni and my desktop harddisk just crashed so I'm leaving that at home for repairs.

Any guidance would be much appreciated!
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dunno bout graphics software and stuffs but u can look for forumers like lingloong or idealtech, their stuffs are usually cheaper

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QUOTE(AssToast @ Sep 8 2012, 12:39 PM)
Xeon E3-1230 V2 (make sure its v2, ivy bridge) = i7-2600
a stock hsf will do the work since u wont be ocing
the 640 would be better if confirmed its GDDR5 and not GDDR3
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ok, thanks smile.gif
checked viewnet's pricelist and what is listed is Xeon E3-1240 V2 RM849.
from what I googled, seems to be pretty close performance to i7 3770. So I go ahead with this one? biggrin.gif

and another thing, what I should be looking for in the GC specs now is the CUDA cores / shader units right? Besides the raw performance...since it's for MATLAB hmm.gif

This post has been edited by dlwl: Sep 8 2012, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(dlwl @ Sep 8 2012, 01:05 PM)
ok, thanks smile.gif
checked viewnet's pricelist and what is listed is Xeon E3-1240 V2 RM849.
from what I googled, seems to be pretty close performance to i7 3770. So I go ahead with this one? biggrin.gif

and another thing, what I should be looking for in the GC specs now is the CUDA cores / shader units right? Besides the raw performance...since it's for MATLAB hmm.gif
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just get the 1230, 1240 is just 100mhz faster
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QUOTE(AssToast @ Sep 8 2012, 12:39 PM)

Added on September 8, 2012, 12:42 pm
dunno bout graphics software and stuffs but u can look for forumers like lingloong or idealtech, their stuffs are usually cheaper
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Both are shops in lowyat?
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QUOTE(AIAF @ Sep 8 2012, 01:26 PM)
Both are shops in lowyat?
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no they are not forumers that are trusted, btw idealtech have a few sellers so just look out for people with the logo
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QUOTE(AssToast @ Sep 8 2012, 01:30 PM)
no they are not forumers that are trusted, btw idealtech have a few sellers so just look out for people with the logo
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Sorry I dont really understand the bolded part. unsure.gif

QUOTE(AIAF @ Sep 8 2012, 12:36 PM)
Hi guys,

Need help in buying a new pc. Not sure if this is ok cause I don't see other people asking this question around here.  I'm not very pro in pc lingo (eg: overclocking?) but I'll try my best to give you guys more details.

What I intend to do with the PC: Graphics software (lightroom, photoshop, illustrator, occasional after effects and video editing), gaming (I play some first person shooter games but the graphics dont have to be at highest levels) + all usual stuff like internet, office etc etc

My budget: 2.5k, could be more or less depends on your suggestions. Also I don't need a monitor and speakers as I already have them.

Here's the vague part, would appreciate it if anyone could suggest a suitable specs for my requirements above and also tips on cooling, power supply, etc. Kinda frustrating when you get home with a new comp then after a few days you just realise there's a tonne of problems with it.

Also, where's the best place to get a desktop in KL? Still lowyat? IF it's possible I hope to get everything in one shop, or at least just 2 shops that are nearby.

Also I might want to get one within a few days, as I'm heading back to my uni and my desktop harddisk just crashed so I'm leaving that at home for repairs.

Any guidance would be much appreciated!
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Anyone that can recommend me some specs would be much appreciated thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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