Just a quick one... TPC need to pay for their parking there right (in CJ)?

No need.

Outsourcing is a worry for people in general because there is the a possibility that they would

- lose jobs
- lose money
- lose benefits
- get more work

I've never been outsourced before, my experience is from the Motorola/Freescale staff who were. Since the typical contracts don't state numbers of people etc. and instead concentrate on SLAs (eg. 4-hour response time for any urgent incidents), the outsourced company will have leeway in deciding whether they need 10 people or 100 people to do the job.

Let's say they do hire the 100 people, then decided that over time Shell isn't calling enough to justify 100 people, instead of firing those 100 people, they just dump EDS or BP or whatever else workload on that group instead.

And you're absolutely wrong, CSA is a subsidiary of CSC which is a global Fortune 500 company with stocks trading in the NYSE. They are very active in outsourcing, along with the Indian giants Wipro and Tata Consultancy. Good luck


This post has been edited by tishaban: Apr 5 2007, 10:25 AM

pennywise,
i'm not with engineering in dell. which teams are ur ppl moving to in dell?
most of my people are moving over as contract, just for the better pay. some of them are getting more than double their pay in dell already.

that's what i'm worried abt.
i've worked with my couterparts from wipro before n seriously, i dun like working with them. maybe it's because of the extremely diff culture, we usually have very different expectations of the same situation.
i kinda think CSA n HP might be the main ppl to take up this outsource plan from shell for our region, altho that's just my speculation at this point.

i've been thru the site already. i hate the idea of just sending in resumes online/offline. usually the returns for that is less than 10% statistically. plus, from the roughly 10 of my colleagues that moved over this yr, it took around 3-4 mths before they received a reply after submitting online.

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I have to say that Shell response on this is very good in terms of the response time & the visibiity of the application status

As for CSC and etc, thanks for educating me on that part. Appreciated but I still dont see how outsourcing can affect me negatively considering I am still TPC now.

I have no idea which team though. I never ask but I know so far a few is going over. It is a new team formed at DELL, a team of 10 but 5 are from SHELL.

TPC in shell will be affected la....they can fire you anytime if they decided you are not worthy to the company....In another words outsourcing is the time they clean up all those ppl who can;t work..

Working with Shell got 5% off petrol a?

Yes you get RM1000 for petrol n housing allowance + 5% off petrol if u use Shell card...

BUT all these will be gone after outsource.....sad case

last but not least

car allowance 1000 per month

later u able to buy Impreza

^ with all those benefits, if i'm able to get in as a permanent staff, i'd better get in fast before they outsource. haha.

They only give 5% off Shell minyak when you're a Shell staff? That's only like RM25-30 savings per month for me. I thought it'd be more....

You cant blame others when you cant perform, can you?

Yes, that's what many TPC is thinking.

Yea and Exxon only give 3%.

Damn kedekut these oil & gas companies. Shell profit for 2006 was > US$25 billion. Exxon Mobil profit for 2006 was > US$30+ billion....

5% and 3% discount je? meh....

5% i dun mind lor, furthermore not every company give this type of benefit... it's just another type of benefit for their staff...

dude....the offer to vendor and condition in it haven finalise yet....u really cant sure of what could happen yet.....who knows u might still can keep ur shell card....

this is jz valid for SITI staff....and its rips off from 2009 onwards....

currently the timeline for outsource transition is somewhere next year....not sure if gonna change....
bad news for u is....there is rule of minimum time frame to be meet before a TPC can be converted to staff...HR rulez!!!! go through SRD is the best way u could hav...

its jz a corporate benefits for staff.....for dif company of coz dif sort of benefits....
jz like if u HP staff...buy HP product cheaper....see?

I dont think that the outsource transition will be somewhere next year. I think we are all secured till 2009. Transfering team, dept, technology over to the new place will not be that easy.

TPC nowadays wanna convert is damn easy unless those in GI-NG because when Vista rollout, all those GI-NG will merge with GI-D and GI-NG I believe will disperse. SHELL also know that all their good staff is running out, so when a TPC can perform, they will absorb them.

After all, even if our salary is 7k, its just 1k Euro for them so what the heck... Cheap labour la us.

since when 1 euro = rm7 ?...haha

so what happen to those whose depts are not being outsource ? the RM1K also abolished ? wah, then rugi loh for those not affected by the outsourcing thing....is there any salary adjustment for this ???

Since it's an allowance - it's discretionary. The company make take it away any time...