I am joining the force at 2nd level support for scripted apps.. The support team you working on right now, is it GI-D Client team?

nope....
2nd level support???? IMG????
if u r....lets pray i wont "Bang" with you someday....
i m not sure if helpdesk or img is trained or jz follow the guidebook
a lot of them jz don make use of common sense....
and some...even pretend they know a lot technical than u...
even they should be able to know that u r from a engineering team...
yday i made call/email to helpdesk/support
and got myself some of the freakiest answer ever heard....
i couldn't continue the call then.....jz tell him its 6pm and i wanna leave...follow up next week....

to be honest....some should understand the dif between a staff and a contractor....
staff is some1 considered as employee for the corporate....and they must be treated as good as the labour law...if not better....

contractor is in term, should be some1 hired temporary...with already required skill set...no further...

of coz this definition is exactly right in western, but in eastern...not all can accept such an idea...that's why there is ppl who ignoring...

don ask Shell y hire u as contractor....instead...ask urself wat core u hav that worth Shell to hire u as employee....
its the fact...they r employer...they decide wat kind of ppl they want....
if u do not hav the skill/attitude they ok wit, y would they get u in....
n there will be no point for SRD to be exists....

as in shell, u should be feel more better....as other than the benefits/opportunity, they treat u the same as other staff in term of team, event, outing
not like other place where contractor is not welcome for any company dinner...
coz they r not staff.....

good luck to u littleway.....
u r from???? Client/IMG?
PM better.....

this incoming June or July , SHELL ppl will be using vista as their desktop ..hope there's more and more excitement not severe

i wonder how 2 apply for shell admin job?

dude.....not this year la.....

admin>>> sys admin? net admin? manager?

They will do it next year or so.

something like admin exe or admin assistance

oo...it means they defer the launching of the new desktop laa ...

nothing of defer la....
its the current schedule....

last time everyone deferred becoz microsoft deferred....remember?

ok ..thanks for that ...i thought SHELL or GI-NG team wanna deferred their new desktop launch , because of too many head-ache on vista's script

i'm now studying in uk and gonna graduate this july.. is is possible for me to apply internship in malaysia instead of apply a job in shell ? u know lar.. no job experience at all.. hard for me to get a permenant job after graduate.. i am studying mechcanical engineering now.. BEng..

This post has been edited by gniliap: Apr 3 2007, 08:16 AM

I will suggest you to apply Shell in UK, either do internship/job or even offer yourself to volunteering job in Shell. Just to open the door of Oil & Gas industry. I regretted that I did not do that during my stay in UK. If you are a fresh grad, they will not bother too much as they recruit fresh grad ALL the time. So, apply now before it is too late. Malaysia job market is dissappointing.... My piece of advice is to work in UK professionally but spend in Malaysia, you are 'employee King' then.

huhu

try apply for EP team (Exploration and Production) in UK , or what we called as SHELL UK EP (SUKEP)

bright future in EP team ...alot of benefits

i'm planning to apply for a job in shell later this yr (still got some things to take care of). hoping to look for a permanent non-helpdesk/non-support role. basically, hoping to move up to mgmt level, or something like a project mgr or infrastructure planning etc... still haven't decided yet.

what possible positions or job roles should i look out for in shell? anyone knows anyone in shell that i might approach directly to make the application more effective? (that's because MNCs prefer to hire staff-referred ppl than scan thru resumes)

as for qualifications, i'm an RHCE, has MCSE skills, but has not taken the exams. been with dell 2 yrs plus. very experienced in all their enterprise hw n sw, including EMC etc. mainly aiming to make an advance in my career to get into either mgmt or a large-scale IT infrastructure planning/consulting role.

btw, the outsourcing part is really confirmed for end of this yr? what jobs and level of staff are affected most by this?

This post has been edited by babybiter: Apr 4 2007, 12:11 PM

whole GITI will be fully affected.

gud luck for seeking job @ SHELL

try check with headhunter like micom,hesper,techsap dan so forth.

Not to discourage you or anything but I asked a friend who's part of the project team in Shell. Their project team there has pretty high standards, the entry level is the infrastructure consultant I believe and that requires > 10 years working experience.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

for project and planning stuff...y would a MNC or such a mega corporation gonna play play wit the kind of staff they gonna hire....

Well check www.shell.com/careers - I can see Shell has about 35 IT related jobs on offer in Malaysia. Some are definitely in the area of your interest.

i know that, but it's not always the case. if u have the qualifications n manage to impress the interviewer, paper-requirements can be waived. i have a colleague who got in earlier this yr like that.

i've been thru the site already. i hate the idea of just sending in resumes online/offline. usually the returns for that is less than 10% statistically. plus, from the roughly 10 of my colleagues that moved over this yr, it took around 3-4 mths before they received a reply after submitting online.

Actually some of the SHELL staff is already using Vista. A lot of those in GI-NG and some in GI-D are the pilot users for Vista. I am one of them. The rollout wont be so soon, think ~2008?

Outsourcing will affect most of SHELL IT operations staff but somehow it wont affect us or any of you who plan on getting a job in SHELL. Let me explain why.

If you join SHELL as a contract staff (Third Party Contractor - TPC), then you wont have benefits. You pay will be high but you have no benefits and when you dont work, you dont get paid. Later on, when you finish your contract, your team lead will decide whether to renew your contract, let you go or absord you as permanent staff.

So from the views of contract staff, you become permanent staff - enjoying all the benefits like RM800 for optical medication (I think some of them buy Oakley's with this), unlimited medical coverage, not sure how much dental coverage, 5% off petrol, etc.

So when outsourcing comes, how does it affect us? Lets just put it real simple - IBM and HP are probably the only ones who can support SHELL worldwide operations, dont tell me they would give it to some CSA company right cause CSA is local, SHELL is worldwide.

So, when you are absorb, you become SHELL staff. You are promised a safe position in the new company that you are being outsourced to. Let's just say IBM, then you become IBM permanent staff and enjoy IBM benefits - so what the hell is so bad about outsourcing? Either way you still become some permanent staff and no, they wont fire you, retrench you in any way because SHELL protects their staff and guaranteed you are safe from firing for 24 months! How cool is that? If you get fired, you are compensated immediately, unless you sendiri commit a big dufus mistake at work la.

So why is everyone so afraid of outsourcing? It is not new people that is affect, not those who has worked there 1 year that is being affected but rather those old-timers who has been there a long time. Every few year, I think SHELL contribution to their staff EPF increases, as well as other benefits - being outsourced means not being to enjoy those benefits anymore. For example: you contribute you EPF of 11%, SHELL contribute 16% from their end. Next year, they are supposed to contribute 20% to your EPF due to your long year of service, lets say 6 years. So suddenly, next year, you are being outsourced, then you wont get that 20% EPF benefit but rather IBM's very normal 11% EPF. That leaves you somewhat dissatisfied. Something like that. Not to mention if you work there for several years and been performing very well, being outsourced means going to somewhere where you have to rebuild your career again, thus a loss of opportunity for career development - promotion.

SHELL operations are quite sensitive and our GI-D is different from what others have out there so there is NO WAY that SHELL will close any team or discard anyone. The process of being outsourced will be a long one, decisions on who gets the deal also we dont know yet. We are updated from time to time and the wait-to-sign-the-agreement-because-SHELL-usually-wont-sign-immeidately will be another time frame. Then moving the technology from SHELL-to-the-outsourcing-counterparts will possibly take another 6 - 12 months... So what's there to worry about?

By the time everything come to past, its already 2009. Trust me.



LittleWay,
You are seated in the room way in the back of 2nd Floor, Wisma 1, Left Wing - correct? Same team with Sarah, Jason but they moved because they start shift in Right Wing. Now you are with the girl got braces one and etc... Yes?

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Added on April 5, 2007, 3:15 amMy team people moving to DELL, you wanna come to SHELL? Lolx... I suggest you better stay there. If you are still in DELL, did your Client Engineering team just hired a new manager and was just sent to USA for training?

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Apr 5 2007, 08:01 AM