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 AnGGUN 3 @ Rawang: Hillside Tropical Living, Gated & Guarded Dev. by Hong Bee Land

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post Aug 13 2012, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 12 2012, 02:53 PM)
This Anggun 3 is much bigger size than Anggun 1 & 2, my last visit, the sales said altogether 312 units of 2/3storey link, and 2/3 storey Semi D, will break into different phases.

Someone said there is a centralised toxic antiseptic tank there at the Anggun 3 site, anyone can confirmed?


Added on August 12, 2012, 3:35 pm

i dont think it is 800K for 2 storey link, i called the sales, they said from RM600K and above which i think it is NOT going to happened if they were to launch it end of the year. I guesstimate it shd be around 600K, 24 x 80 ft land size, 2850 sq ft BU, translate into around RM210psf.
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if 24 x 80 with 2850 built up, tat is huge and if 600k onwards, it would be very cheap.

Since EG sold with 800k onwards, my guess for this Anggun 3 could be minimum RM 828k onwards....



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QUOTE(smooth9 @ Aug 12 2012, 02:40 PM)
Well bro, I believe Rawang is not everyone's cup of tea still although it is changing with more people liking this area everyday. Noted the tentative price that I mentioned is the price I heard from my source, though not confirm yet since they have not announce it, and whether it is before or after any discount , buildup size etc is not known yet too. But, it sounds possible, considering the emerald Gardens 2 storey is now 800k+, without clubhouse, slightly further in and is almost sold out already too, and Bandaraya is expected to launch their Semi-ds tentatively starting from 1.5mil to 2mil by end of next year too.

The point that I am trying to make is, it is true that the price does not sounds cheap, but I don't think there is other landed development that is cheaper than this development still or has something comparable with the following:

- within 25km radium from KL/PJ/Shah Alam
- Freehold
- Gated and Guarded
- Tenby International School in the pipeline
- Clubhouse on a lake
- Perimeter CCTV, grand entrance with 24/7 security
- Still in the early stage of developments, with lots of potential in the near future.
- with an AEON mall (or comparable neighbourhood mall) with cinema at your doorsteps
- with new commercial that are similar to the type of Sunway Giza under construction now, and developer has reserved many lots to partially control the tenant mix targeted to preferred tenants, such as banks, restaurants etc.
- Without front gate: hence neighbors and children have more interaction (Many residence in Anggun 1 is experiencing the same thing, unlike other taman where children is usually not safe play outside, here every evening, we can see many children and family playing or gathering outside, though need to watch out for cars and not recommended to play at junction for safety.
- The developments by Hongbeeland, Guocoland, Tan& Tan, and Bandaraya, 4x heavy weight developers are developing side by side and each of them are benchmarking themselves as a high-end development, it will be a DPC, Setia Eco Park, Sierramas, a combination or something even better that will be built side by side.

Still if it is the location of Rawang that is one concern, I belief we should break up into these 2 to objectively determine how "Good" is the location:

Location - Distance:
I always belief that distance is a definite scientific measurement rather than objective, although we are often misguided by our perception/feeling that it is so far/long to travel to this area or that area. But, we can objectively determine the far/closeness of the location, and how long/short it takes to travel to the place that we go most often, e.g. works, or family/friends/relative etc. I have find this information by bro masbruno very helpful to determine the Distance part thumbup.gif
Location - Surrounding/Branding:
On the other hand, if the surrounding/branding of the location is a concern, it is changing, and it will continue to change. Successful Landed Gated & Guarded enclave in the initial stage often take times to change its perception due to its size of the land for the township, and when it has developed and changed the perception, many people have already missed the boat . Past is good to serve as a reference/starting point, but how the area is changing to become in the future is more important, some of the example:
- DPC, it is previously being perceived as in Kepong,
- Sierramas, it is previously being perceived as in Sungai Buloh
- Setia Ecopark, it is previously being perceived as in Klang/Meru.
- and now the 4 developments by Hongbeeland, Guocoland, Tan & Tan, and Bandaraya, EACH are benchmarking themselves to become the next successful high-end gated and guarded developments such as above, it is still being perceived as in Rawang. but noticed the change of perception for Rawang is already happening in such a short time over the past 2-3 years? now is still before Bandaraya with their high end development coming in, and Tan & Tan with their Sierramas 2 coming in and already have experience in rebranding Sungai Buloh previously coming in too. This perception for this place is already changing rapidly already. There are 5000 acres+ of land 3-4 km radium from AEON Rawang for a combination of medium-high and high-end developments, and there are 2000+ acres side by side of AEON Rawang by 4 reputable developers moving towards developing this area as a high end landed development, massive gated and guarded residential, beautiful landscape, commercials etc.

In the next few years, this area will be THE LARGEST GATED AND GUARDED, HIGH-END LANDED residential area, probably in the entire Malaysia. And with the security in recent years in many places deteriorating and people are more into lifestyle house, rather than just a house, this area will be very much sought-after more and more everyday. Just like in the past when people are looking for high-rise residential, many people might settle for an apartment without security or facilities, now the trend is security and facility is a must, and buyer buying a mid and above high-rise residential will not settle for one without security and facilities, and IMHO, the trend now is security and facilities is moving towards a must for high-end residential seeker, too, and this area has a massive Gated & Guarded development to fill in that gap thumbup.gif
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Isn't it true that if supply is high (thousands of acres), price will not go up easily. Furthermore, land cost cheap in Rawang.
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Anggun 3 - 4 types of properties are as follows:-

2 storey link - 22x70 - 2200 sqft BU
3 storey link - 22x70 - 3000 sqft BU

2 storey Semi D - 40x80 - 3400 sqft BU
3 storey Semi D - 40x80 - 4200 sqft BU

Altogethr 312 units, club house build on the lakes. Stratafied freehold GnG development.
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For these land area and build-up size, price should be <RM650k for 2 storey link, <RM850 for 3 storey link ...by the way, I think people more interested in Semi-D\
If more than that, M-residence definately a good buy!

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 13 2012, 10:20 PM)
Was told Hong Bee Land is the sister company of Hong Leong Group. If u can trust Hong Leong Group, then shd not be any issues.
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from my understanding, HBL owned the whole land area. HBL = Hong Bee Land. They JV with HL to formed Guocoland and at the same time leave some land for their own Development thru PURA DEVELOPMENT SDN BHD. HBL is from Singapore. in terms of Financial support, it's not a worry cos they have Anggun 1 and Anggun 2 completed. smile.gif


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QUOTE(smooth9 @ Aug 12 2012, 02:40 PM)
Well bro, I believe Rawang is not everyone's cup of tea still although it is changing with more people liking this area everyday. .....................

Location - Distance:
I always belief that distance is a definite scientific measurement rather than objective, although we are often misguided by our perception/feeling that it is so far/long to travel to this area or that area. But, we can objectively determine the far/closeness of the location, and how long/short it takes to travel to the place that we go most often, e.g. works, or family/friends/relative etc. I have find this information by bro masbruno very helpful to determine the Distance part thumbup.gif
+1. i like your judgement. Far or close is very subjective for different individual. it's all down to own preference to determine the purchase of property and not just buy buy buy. same goes to price. expensive or cheap... very subjective. last time during Anggun 1 launch @ RM 420K, i did mentioned the price is expensive looking at the location of Rawang and put a negative view on Anggun 1. But i am darn wrong looking at the success. But so what, look at now, Anggun 1 able to fetch at RM 850K.

btw, are u styaing in anggun?

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Jason Chee, u r right. Hong bee and hong Leong are not related. Thanks
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QUOTE(highcourt @ Aug 14 2012, 10:51 AM)
Isn't it true that if supply is high (thousands of acres), price will not go up easily. Furthermore, land cost cheap in Rawang.
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Generally speaking if the supply is too high, it is perhaps a yes to worry, BUT there are more people who are interested to upgrade from non Gated and Guarded, moving into Gated and Guarded everyday, as due to the security condition of Boleh land, no offense just saying the facts, there will be more and more people upgrading/moving/interested to move into a more secured area. If one good developer can pull out 3000 acres of Setia Alam and Setia Eco Park successfully, I don't see a problem with so many reputable developers (about 2000acres high end, and 3000 medium-high developments), each of the heavy weight developers have its own loyal customers/followers willing to upgrade waitting for this high-end development from the developer that they trusted and admired, they will be complimenting each other's developments. This area of Rawang is growing organically, as opposed to superficially, Anggun 1 is almost fully occupied already with more houses renovated every month, like one of the taiko from another forum mentioned, Tan & Tan and BRDB will only be expected to come in year 2013, and building more demands at that time with their own brands and followers, road upgrade etc, as even more people will like this area, and WCT in year 2014, by that time, Anggun City with banks, MCD etc shall be completed already.

The land was cheaper in Rawang previously, and it is probably still consider cheap now, but we shall see in the future, when the heavy weight developers gradually come in with their high-end developments, this area will become the LARGEST GATED AND GUARDED, HIGH-END LANDED in Klang valley, just like Mont Kiara is the Largest concentration of high end condos in Klang Valley, IMHO, this area will transform towards that direction in terms of landed play in the next 5-10 years.

QUOTE(highcourt @ Aug 13 2012, 09:27 PM)
Is Hong Bee a reliable developer? Financially sound?
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QUOTE(jason_chee @ Aug 16 2012, 12:48 PM)
from my understanding, HBL owned the whole land area. HBL = Hong Bee Land. They JV with HL to formed Guocoland and at the same time leave some land for their own Development thru PURA DEVELOPMENT SDN BHD. HBL is from Singapore. in terms of Financial support, it's not a worry cos they have Anggun 1 and Anggun 2 completed. smile.gif
Yes, per bro Jason_chee, they are the original land owner keeping the land for like half a century, with another piece in Johor (now Setia Eco Gardens). They have SOLD the land for partial payment of RM200+Mil and/plus JV with SP Setia to develop Setia Eco Gardes in Johor, and did the same for the Guocoland JV, by sold the land for partial payment of RM??Mil, and/plus JV with Guocoland to develops Emerald East+West. They have kept land for their own Anggun developments, now the portion below Emerald West, all the way till behind caltex, even the land above/on top of Emerald West (bigger land), is also their own land for future developments, some contractor that I have met for Anggun said there are more actually lol, not sure whether that is true on that part, but the one we are seeing now below Emerald for their Anggun is definately theirs, and the one undeveloped above Emerald West is also theirs.

I believe they are a cash rich company, considering they sold both piece of land (for a lumsum), then JV for recurring income on both successful project before they start their own, even the AEON rawang developments is a turnkey project, where they build the whole shopping mall, and then sold it to AEON group, if my source is correct.

QUOTE(jason_chee @ Aug 16 2012, 12:48 PM)
+1. i like your judgement. Far or close is very subjective for different individual. it's all down to own preference to determine the purchase of property and not just buy buy buy. same goes to price. expensive or cheap... very subjective. last time during Anggun 1 launch @ RM 420K, i did mentioned the price is expensive looking at the location of Rawang and put a negative view on Anggun 1. But i am darn wrong looking at the success. But so what, look at now, Anggun 1 able to fetch at RM 850K.

btw, are u styaing in anggun?
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Yes, I am staying in Anggun 1 for almost 2 years now, seeing more neighbours moving in every month. Staying here, I have noticed that the community living is quite good, without gate, the landscape, gated & guarded, is doing a big part. Without front gate and side fence at the front part, people are more inclined to meet up with neighbours during gardening, car washing, evening walking etc, and the part with landscape more people do evening walk, and hence closer relationship among neighbours, and neighbour's children, too. I have heard there are some Japanese and Chinese national family staying here too, and few doors away from my house, another Korean family is moving in too with their renovation almost completed, there will be more and more expats looking for a peaceful and secure environment when the Tenby International school is up. icon_rolleyes.gif
I have stayed in landed neighborhood all my life except few years in condo, and have never been so close with neighbours in such a short time, and hence never expected such a close neighborhood relationship before I more in. Here, neighbors of all races became friends, and close friends taking care of each others just like the old days, which I think is something that $$$ cannot buy. If one has an opportunity to see from own eyes the evening interaction of neighbor, especially weekends, you will know why the occupancy rate is so high here in such a short time, some people who bought the house previously and thought about making it an investment has either sold it to someone who would like to move in, or they themselves change their mind and moved in thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(smooth9 @ Aug 16 2012, 07:45 PM)
Yes, per bro Jason_chee, they are the original land owner keeping the land for like half a century, with another piece in Johor (now Setia Eco Gardens). They have SOLD the land for partial payment of RM200+Mil and/plus JV with SP Setia to develop Setia Eco Gardes in Johor, and did the same for the Guocoland JV, by sold the land for partial payment of RM??Mil, and/plus JV with Guocoland to develops Emerald East+West. They have kept land for their own Anggun developments, now the portion below Emerald West, all the way till behind caltex, even the land  above/on top of Emerald West (bigger land), is also their own land for future developments, some contractor that I have met for Anggun said there are more actually lol, not sure whether that is true on that part, but the one we are seeing now below Emerald for their Anggun is definately theirs, and the one undeveloped above Emerald West is also theirs.
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I believe they are a cash rich company, considering they sold both piece of land (for a lumsum), then JV for recurring income on both successful project before they start their own, even the AEON rawang developments is a turnkey project, where they build the whole shopping mall, and then sold it to AEON group, if my source is correct.
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Yes, I am staying in Anggun 1 for almost 2 years now, seeing more neighbours moving in every month. Staying here, I have noticed that the community living is quite good, without gate, the landscape, gated & guarded, is doing a big part. Without front gate and side fence at the front part, people are more inclined to meet up with neighbours during gardening, car washing, evening walking etc, and the part with landscape more people do evening walk, and hence closer relationship among neighbours, and neighbour's children, too. I have heard there are some Japanese and Chinese national family staying here too, and few doors away from my house, another Korean family is moving in too with their renovation almost completed, there will be more and more expats looking for a peaceful and secure environment when the Tenby International school is up.  icon_rolleyes.gif ..................  thumbup.gif
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from my source, they lease the land to AEON for 30 years. construction and development costs are from AEON themselves with reduced leasing amount over 30 years. not sure whether it's true or not.

good to hear you've been staying there since VP. i bought subsales last year (when AEON started construction) and i moved in last CNY. even though i pay 50% on top of the launching price, it was great environment there. i love the landscape and almost everything about the place. most importantly, my wife and kids like it. good to know you're neighbour.
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QUOTE(jason_chee @ Aug 17 2012, 12:49 PM)
good to hear you've been staying there since VP. i bought subsales last year (when AEON started construction) and i moved in last CNY. even though i pay 50% on top of the launching price, it was great environment there. i love the landscape and almost everything about the place. most importantly, my wife and kids like it. good to know you're neighbour.
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Jason, mind to share what was the initial launching price directly from developer? For both Anggun1 and Anggun 2
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 17 2012, 01:02 PM)
Jason, mind to share what was the initial launching price directly from developer? For both Anggun1 and Anggun 2
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Anggun 1: Launching Price back in 2007.
32 X 75: Clustered Semi-D: RM 380K +- <-- if i can remember correctly.
35 X 75: Semi-D: RM 420K <-- 99% correct based on my memory. smile.gif
Bungalow: Price Vary and i don't know the price.

Anggun 2: Launched in 2009.
40 X 75: Semi-D: RM 595K. <-- if i remember correctly.

2012:
Anggun 1 - Clustered: RM 780K (asking price by most of the owner)
Anggun 1 - Non-Clustered: RM 850K (asking price by most of the owner)
Anggun 2 - RM 900K (asking price by most of the owner

you can check the price in iProperty
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I remember Anggun2 launched at about 480k then slowly increased phase by phase til 595k, no?
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QUOTE(ahsoh @ Aug 17 2012, 02:05 PM)
I remember Anggun2 launched at about 480k then slowly increased phase by phase til 595k, no?
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I bought it @ 659K, think just left few units then.
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QUOTE(yschaw @ Aug 17 2012, 03:47 PM)
I bought it @ 659K, think just left few units then.
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Still hv > 20 units left for below RM900k.
Actual price will be released in Sept.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 17 2012, 04:19 PM)
Still hv > 20 units left for below RM900k.
Actual price will be released in Sept.
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R u referring to Anggun 2? Thought sold out unless developers still reserves some
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QUOTE(yschaw @ Aug 17 2012, 04:31 PM)
R u referring to Anggun 2? Thought sold out unless developers still reserves some
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Yes Anggun 2.
I m not sure of those are unsold or reserved units. But they will open for sales next month.
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QUOTE(jason_chee @ Aug 17 2012, 12:49 PM)
from my source, they lease the land to AEON for 30 years. construction and development costs are from AEON themselves with reduced leasing amount over 30 years. not sure whether it's true or not.

good to hear you've been staying there since VP. i bought subsales last year (when AEON started construction) and i moved in last CNY. even though i pay 50% on top of the launching price, it was great environment there. i love the landscape and almost everything about the place. most importantly, my wife and kids like it. good to know you're neighbour.
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Good to know that you are a neighbour and nice to meet you here, I will pm you the next time we are having some bbq session icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(ahsoh @ Aug 17 2012, 02:05 PM)
I remember Anggun2 launched at about 480k then slowly increased phase by phase til 595k, no?
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The last few units of Anggun 1 is from 498k, and the starting price of Anggun 2 is like 580k++ when it is open for booking to previous Anggun 1 owner, then the last few units that are open for sale in 2010 are 650k-700k.

QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 17 2012, 04:35 PM)
Yes Anggun 2.
I m not sure of those are unsold or reserved units. But they will open for sales next month.
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Hey Cheah, thanks for sharing, I have confirmed with HBL, and they confirmed the same 24 units of Anggun 2 available for sale next month, price to be confirmed, but tentatively below 900k. It shall be reserved units as opposed to unsold units, as over the past 2 years, I have visited their sales office many times for matters regarding anggun 2, maintenence fees etc, and I confirms that the sticker board is all full since end of 2010 and then no longer in the sales office. Perhaps they have reserved 24 units for sale after AEON Jusco completed, and before VP, sounds like a good buy for potential buyer and developer is also earning more money for the same units too, as Anggun 1 subsale is transacting at 800-850k (35x75 2400+sqft), 750k-800k (32x75 2200+sqft), now Anggun 2 is tentatively <900k 40x80 2700+sqft, with the additional permeter fence and cctv, and central park with water features. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(smooth9 @ Aug 17 2012, 05:53 PM)
Good to know that you are a neighbour and nice to meet you here, I will pm you the next time we are having some bbq session icon_rolleyes.gif
The last few units of Anggun 1 is from 498k, and the starting price of Anggun 2 is like 580k++ when it is open for booking to previous Anggun 1 owner, then the last few units that are open for sale in 2010 are 650k-700k.
Hey Cheah, thanks for sharing, I have confirmed with HBL, and they confirmed the same 24 units of Anggun 2 available for sale next month, price to be confirmed, but tentatively below 900k. It shall be reserved units as opposed to unsold units, as over the past 2 years, I have visited their sales office many times for matters regarding anggun 2, maintenence fees etc, and I confirms that the sticker board is all full since end of 2010 and then no longer in the sales office. Perhaps they have reserved 24 units for sale after AEON Jusco completed, and before VP, sounds like a good buy for potential buyer and developer is also earning more money for the same units too, as Anggun 1 subsale is transacting at 800-850k (35x75 2400+sqft), 750k-800k (32x75 2200+sqft), now Anggun 2 is tentatively <900k 40x80 2700+sqft, with the additional permeter fence and cctv, and central park with water features. thumbup.gif
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Are you sure Anggun 1 can fetch rm330psf to rm350psf? Don't you think it is overpriced for Rawang area? Some more no clubhouse and old design?

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