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TSKampung2005
post Jul 29 2012, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(fas29 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:16 PM)
I prefer more LRT stations.

KTM damn slow
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This is BRT.
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(empyreal @ Jul 29 2012, 08:15 PM)
to these people, they'll say everything involves songlap. if a policeman helps an old lady cross the road, they'll find a way to put up a story of how either one of them is songlaping the other
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Sometimes I don't know the psyche of some people.

Oppose MRT, say too expensive.

Oppose BRT, cannot.

What do they want?

I begin to think that they are the partly the reason why public transport keep lagging behind.

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post Jul 29 2012, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 09:17 PM)
This is BRT.
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Is this in Bangkok?

Comparison with conventional bus routes

When available, the dedicated right-of-way lanes of BRT systems allow them an increased average vehicle speed bypassing traffic congestion, to provide more passenger miles with the same number of vehicles and personnel than conventional bus services. A smoother ride can also be expected, because the BRT is not immersed in stop-and-go traffic. BRT services usually feature higher frequency service than conventional routes; Latin American systems rely heavily on short headways to achieve their ridership capacity.
But when compared to normal bus service in mixed traffic, addition of BRT dedicated lanes requires wider roads or reduction of mixed traffic lanes.
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QUOTE(fas29 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:20 PM)
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Is this in Bangkok?

Comparison with conventional bus routes

When available, the dedicated right-of-way lanes of BRT systems allow them an increased average vehicle speed bypassing traffic congestion, to provide more passenger miles with the same number of vehicles and personnel than conventional bus services. A smoother ride can also be expected, because the BRT is not immersed in stop-and-go traffic. BRT services usually feature higher frequency service than conventional routes; Latin American systems rely heavily on short headways to achieve their ridership capacity.
But when compared to normal bus service in mixed traffic, addition of BRT dedicated lanes requires wider roads or reduction of mixed traffic lanes.
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:15 PM)
Car drivers are so selfish and short-sighted.

At the end of the day, if nothing being done, congestion will still get worse and they themselves will pay the price of lateness due to congestion.

KL cannot be an utopia for car drivers.
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congestion is 1 thing.

but the effective-ness of bus lane on BRT system.

people use Federal highway to their destination, and BRT system might not able to get people to reach their destination.

It's should come with complete BRT system within whole Klang valley...
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:21 PM)
congestion is 1 thing.

but the effective-ness of bus lane on BRT system.

people use Federal highway to their destination, and BRT system might not able to get people to reach their destination.

It's should come with complete BRT system within whole Klang valley...
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:13 PM)
Suggest something that can reduce congestion then.

The bottomline is to reduce congestion, of which getting chronic on Federal Highway.

Our car volume is getting higher. We have reached WXD or so. Yet road congestion is getting terrible.
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Free travel for students and the elderly. Drop 50% of the current charges for others. Volume will definitely increase. Or just price it cheaper for everyone so it makes sense to travel public rather than private. It is logical and sensible.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:19 PM)
Sometimes I don't know the psyche of some people.

Oppose MRT, say too expensive.

bcoz govt dah songlap major cost. much more expensive than other countries.. u know it...  haha...

Oppose BRT, cannot.

bcoz we used to drive Proton cars to get from point A to point B which BRT cant satisfy them...

What do they want?

They want cheap foreign car !

I begin to think that they are the partly the reason why public transport keep lagging behind.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:22 PM)
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you know, this is just talk cock on paper.

execution / implementation is the toughest part
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:25 PM

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I really like this idea. Our roads are wide enough to accommodate this , I wonder if the bus lanes are raised or blocked with dividers? Because the bus/taxi lane near KL Sentral always have cars going into them.

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM)
BRT is intended to keep buses out of car lane.
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I think he was being sarcastic. I too am skeptical about this. It's a good plan, but typical Malaysian mentality dictates that cars will be tearing up and down the bus lanes whenever there's no policemen on duty. Think of it as a repeat of the women's coaches on the Komuter. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:22 PM)
Free travel for students and the elderly. Drop 50% of the current charges for others. Volume will definitely increase. Or just price it cheaper for everyone so it makes sense to travel public rather than private. It is logical and sensible.
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Students already has Rapidpass Pelajar.

Elderly already has Rapidpass discount.

Demand for public transport rises, but where is the capacity to support it?

It is like having 100,000 in neighbourhood relying on one single DSLAM for broadband.

Also, students and elderly population are much lower than working adults. Working adults formed the majority of traffic on highway, not students or elderly.

The issue of using public transport is not due to cost. It is more on punctuality, frequency and reliability. And bear in mind bus had run very slow on highway which is congested.


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post Jul 29 2012, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(headhunter7 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:25 PM)
I really like this idea. Our roads are wide enough to accommodate this , I wonder if the bus lanes are raised or blocked with dividers? Because the bus/taxi lane near KL Sentral always have cars going into them.
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That's right.
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:22 PM)
Free travel for students and the elderly. Drop 50% of the current charges for others. Volume will definitely increase. Or just price it cheaper for everyone so it makes sense to travel public rather than private. It is logical and sensible.
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its not. students and the elderly are segments who currently use public transport, compared to working adults. for working adults, price is not a concern (after all, they can buy cars) as much as comfort and convenience. i dont think reducing bus fare by RM1 ringgit per journey will make car users go "yeah, i'll totally ride the bus now".

so effectively, current users benefit, without any appreciable improvements in road congestion.
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:24 PM)
you know, this is just talk cock on paper.

execution / implementation is the toughest part
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Sunway BRT and federal highway BRT will among to be the first.
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:23 PM)
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Congestion, congestion.

Not sure if one would be sane to spend two hours on road stuck in congestion. It is already happening in LDP and Sprint.
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:30 PM

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its good to have dedicated bus lane!!!
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:19 PM)
Sometimes I don't know the psyche of some people.

Oppose MRT, say too expensive.

Oppose BRT, cannot.

What do they want?

I begin to think that they are the partly the reason why public transport keep lagging behind.
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Nothing personal, are you a public transport user?
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:33 PM

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To support the fact that working adults formed the highest percentage of commuters, here is the age distribution of Malaysian population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Malaysia

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Age Structure^:
0–14 years: 29.6% (male 4,118,086/female 3,884,403)
15–64 years: 65.4% (male 7,838,166/female 7,785,833)
65 years and over: 5% (male 526,967/female 667,831) (2011 est.)
Net migration rate: -0.37 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2012 est.)


This shows, we can at the very least, you have more than 50% of Malaysians are within working age.
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:33 PM)
Nothing personal, are you a public transport user?
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I am public transport user. I also have driving licence, I do drive too.

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