Shiat, more jam.
BRT will be created in Federal Highway, yahoo! Finally! News
BRT will be created in Federal Highway, yahoo! Finally! News
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Jul 29 2012, 07:52 PM
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Shiat, more jam.
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Jul 29 2012, 07:53 PM
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Jul 29 2012, 07:55 PM
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car road users will end up using the bus lanes
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Jul 29 2012, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE(instantgeneve @ Jul 29 2012, 07:55 PM) If BRT different story liao.Enforcement will be much better as BRT lines has control centre ala rail. Enforcement will be very different from normal bus route. Bangkok, Jakarta can do it. KL cannot? |
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Jul 29 2012, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:31 PM) BRT is a tested concept in Jakarta and Guangzhou. just fix the damn mentality of our bus drivers is more than enough.Federal highway is already very congested, but many of them are in private vehicles rather than public transport. Public transport is more efficient, but doesn't work at this moment because buses stuck at the same traffic spot as other vehicles on the highway. |
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Jul 29 2012, 07:59 PM
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One benefit to use private car is can go anywhere you want once reach the destination.
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Jul 29 2012, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(ElaineChewMeow @ Jul 29 2012, 07:59 PM) Roads are congested.More cars, at the end of the day, even car drivers need to suffer. KL people are not unique compared to Singaporeans, Bangkokians, Hong Kongers. If you have efficient transit, not only it will save your time, but also your money. Owning a car is not cheap anyway. Having car-based society is not sustainable. Developed countries mostly having good transport. China does it. Japan does it. Singapore does it. Malaysia ain't that unique. This post has been edited by Kampung2005: Jul 29 2012, 08:05 PM |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:37 PM) BRT is different. then the police let cars and motors use busway lane (in some corridors), so busway lane also jam.. In Jakarta case, you have stone barrier and stations just like LRT style. Jakarta so macet can do it, why not KL? Even Bangkok successfully run BRT. Sometimes, I wonder if those who oppose BRT, then what is their suggestion that can reduce congestion in longer run? |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:34 PM) Bear in mind, more people driving the car. Adding another car lane or not, traffic will definitely increase as private cars will increase. Federal Highway will still be jammed as usual. Creating may help users get to work faster and to travel comfortably. If you have faster option of taking public transport, the attractiveness of taking bus will be better and it will lure more people to take public transport. Adding one more lane for car is pointless, but in just 2 to 3 years if you have that extra car lane, the same congestion will happen or worse as the peripheral roads connecting the highway and the local neighbourhood will remain the same. Hence the sensible option in longer term to relieve congestion is to add bus lane. But my concern is, who is really benefiting from this project ? For a couple of years, while in construction, we have to mind the traffic jams. Meaning, we have to go early to avoid the jams. To avoid Federal Highway, we have to pay tolls. Then after construction, we have to pay money to use it. Dont think it will be very cheap due to current economy. Then, BRT doesn't reach your doorstep, you still have to drive for a distance. Who is benefiting? The constructor, the project awarding bodies, whoever signs the deal....... We always end up paying for everything. At the end of the day we always turn out to be the SUCKER right! |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM
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Haha. Bodoh punya project. Later even got bus lane no point when bus takde. Bus not on time because driver lepak or waiting more passenger before Jalan. Definitely will be underutilize and become another songlap project.
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Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:06 PM) Adding another car lane or not, traffic will definitely increase as private cars will increase. Federal Highway will still be jammed as usual. Creating may help users get to work faster and to travel comfortably. What is your suggestion to curb congestion then?But my concern is, who is really benefiting from this project ? For a couple of years, while in construction, we have to mind the traffic jams. Meaning, we have to go early to avoid the jams. To avoid Federal Highway, we have to pay tolls. Then after construction, we have to pay money to use it. Dont think it will be very cheap due to current economy. Then, BRT doesn't reach your doorstep, you still have to drive for a distance. Who is benefiting? The constructor, the project awarding bodies, whoever signs the deal....... We always end up paying for everything. At the end of the day we always turn out to be the SUCKER right! At the end of the day, when you have BRT, coupled with fast local buses, congestion will be lower. This concept proven in Guangzhou and Curitiba. We should not resign to the fate of letting more cars craming our limited road space. More so on private car traffic which has less carrying capacity than buses. BRT is cheap. In fact, building BRT system is always 20% of the cost of similar LRT route. Even if PR wins, BRT will still move ahead, because even MBPJ does suggest BRT is the solution. |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM) Haha. Bodoh punya project. Later even got bus lane no point when bus takde. Bus not on time because driver lepak or waiting more passenger before Jalan. Definitely will be underutilize and become another songlap project. How to reduce congestion?When you have oppose something, you must have counter proposal anyway |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM
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Jul 29 2012, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:26 PM) car drivers will hate it ! the already jam highway.. now lesser space for cars... lagi jam |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:13 PM
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Jul 29 2012, 08:13 PM
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Got somemore space for buslane on Federal?
If all cars use bus lane means sama saja like before. |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM) Suggest something that can reduce congestion then.The bottomline is to reduce congestion, of which getting chronic on Federal Highway. Our car volume is getting higher. We have reached WXD or so. Yet road congestion is getting terrible. |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM) to these people, they'll say everything involves songlap. if a policeman helps an old lady cross the road, they'll find a way to put up a story of how either one of them is songlaping the other |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:12 PM) Car drivers are so selfish and short-sighted.At the end of the day, if nothing being done, congestion will still get worse and they themselves will pay the price of lateness due to congestion. KL cannot be an utopia for car drivers. |
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Jul 29 2012, 08:16 PM
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I prefer more LRT stations.
KTM damn slow |
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